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Post by rabbitrabbit on Apr 12, 2012 0:01:10 GMT -5
I didn't say any of this. Way to put words in my mouth. Whatever... NCOE is the new single. It is the one the PDs wanted. The label and the PDs didn't want Cuckoo. That's the way it is. Maybe I misinterpreted this, but if so, what exactly did you mean then? And for all we know, The PDs *genuflects in their general direction and kneels to kiss their rings* could have been weighted 53-47 or even narrower of a margin. But thanks for deigning that "The label and PDs didn't want Cuckoo and that's the way it is." I'm not Tigerlily but I think you misinterpreted her too. The post didn't read to me as saying that Adam or Kelly didn't care if their singles weren't co-writes, it said that many artists have to live with this reality/compromise, whether they wish it was that way or not, and the benefits that come with great success can't be denied. Saying the artist will be 'fine' 'okay' can 'learn to live with' this compromise for a short (or long) time doesn't imply they don't care very strongly about getting their own vision/work out there IMHO. Cuckoo wasn't the PDs first choice, that doesn't say it won't be their second if NCOE does well, and it says nothing about the quality of the song or how listeners and buyers might respond to it. But really ya gotta please the gate keepers first IMO. ----- Also, and this isn't responding to anyone in particular but all the posts saying if radio doesn't accept this second song they have a vendetta against Adam or something. I don't think this way. I think of it as Adam is in competition with many other artists and other songs being released at the same time all trying for a limited number of playlist spots that open up differently at different points in time. Those other artists/labels are doing every thing they can (the same things as Adam's doing: asking PDs opinions, promo, free concerts, primo writers and producers) political deals, who knows? to get airplay too. Now Adam may have just gone the extra mile with his super intense promo tour and hopefully that will give him a little bit of an edge on other contenders, but if it doesn't in my mind there are more logical explanations than radio is a unified and malevolent entity which rejects him as a person JMO. |
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Post by bullsfan on Apr 12, 2012 0:09:11 GMT -5
Cuckoo and Trespassing have been done for months. The way I see it, the label/ radio/whoever have passed on them twice now. And, if that wasn't enough, RCA delayed the album as they scrambled for 2 or 3 new "radio friendly" tunes. Trespassing, as a song, has EVERYTHING going for it. It is the title track, it's hooky and anthemic, and it is totally Adam. Yet, it has now been passed over in favor of two different songs. The only explanation that makes any sense to me is that radio was the road block.
One song that I do think could be a single down the road is Chokehold. When the time is right. It is so completely modern and sophisticated. And the whole thing is a hook. This is a song radio should love. (And, honestly, this is what I hoped for from a Bonnie co-write. Cuckoo kind of makes me cringe.)
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Post by tigerlily on Apr 12, 2012 0:15:00 GMT -5
I didn't say any of this. Way to put words in my mouth. Whatever... NCOE is the new single. It is the one the PDs wanted. The label and the PDs didn't want Cuckoo. That's the way it is. Maybe I misinterpreted this, but if so, what exactly did you mean then? And for all we know, The PDs *genuflects in their general direction and kneels to kiss their rings* could have been weighted 53-47 or even narrower of a margin. But thanks for deigning that "The label and PDs didn't want Cuckoo and that's the way it is." I think some of the fans are projecting some pretty hysterical things onto "how Adam feels", because THEY feel so invested and torn up over something that no one can control any way. Not to mention, we have absolutely no idea how Adam is feeling and if he even thought about this decision for more than a few hours! Adam is one of the lucky ones. He gets to do something he loves doing in exchange for millions of dollars. Most people who have these rare opportunities don't get hung up on the little things that won't matter in the bigger picture and won't matter on down the road. Sorry, I just can't jump to the conclusion that Adam is sitting at home tortured over this single decision. He's a smart guy- one that is surrounded by massively talented friends who would give anything to have even a small fraction of his success. I think Adam is very much aware of how lucky he is and is grateful for the many amazing opportunities he has had in his career and in his life. Adam has quite a lot to be thankful for! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 0:18:06 GMT -5
mys*&@^#r, didn't Adam do the KISS LA thing one year and they still never added IIHY? Maybe I'm wrong. Great about all the radio concerts though. Yes, but that Wango Tango was payback for playing WWFM. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 0:21:12 GMT -5
I imagine that although Adam would love the songs he has penned to be the singles, he knows--and has known for a long time, that it is ALL about politics. He has said that it is not about what songs are the best or what the fans want. Therefore, he cannot feel that his songs were passed on because they weren't good enough. He cannot feel that it is because the fans wouldn't support them or newly jump on the bandwagon. He only can feel that radio politics SUCKS THE BIG ONE. Unfortunately this is not a new lesson for him so I think that we can assume he has moved on from the hurt and disappointment and is just trying to play the necessary games. Maybe his fans (me included) need to move on from the anger at wishing the system was different to just trying to manipulate it for the best possible results.
Adam has no reason to feel anything but pride in the album that bares his vision, his voice, his face, his art, his life stories, his executive production, and mostly his writing. He got a lot. Now he is playing the politics game and he is happily doing what it takes to support an album that he absolutely loves and stands behind in it's entirety.
ETA: Tigerlily, I see we were both thinking alike! I am trying to release my anger at the system. Adam is probably sleeping fine!
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Apr 12, 2012 0:28:04 GMT -5
[comes in wearing lolly hat]
Several of you need to dial it down a notch...or four.
State YOUR opinions. DO NOT critique other posters.
Write your thoughts. Wait a minute. Reread. If you think you may be coming off harsh, you probably are. Tweak a few words as needed *then* post.
[grins crookedly]. Its fine to have strong opinions. However, bludgeoning bystanders is not allowed. Breathe before posting. Thank you.
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Apr 12, 2012 0:28:40 GMT -5
.... Unfortunately this is not a new lesson for him so I think that we can assume he has moved on from the hurt and disappointment and is just trying to play the necessary games. Maybe his fans (me included) need to move on from the anger at wishing the system was different to just trying to manipulate it for the best possible results.[/color] Adam has no reason to feel anything but pride in the album that bares his vision, his voice, his face, his art, his life stories, his executive production, and mostly his writing. He got a lot. Now he is playing the politics game and he is happily doing what it takes to support an album that he absolutely loves and stands behind in it's entirety.[/quote] This This so much this!!! And everything else you wrote  |
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Post by hoopla1 on Apr 12, 2012 0:32:48 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson is just fine and I'm sure Adam can learn to live with the same situation that many successful artists over the years have had to live with. Adam made five million dollars in 2011, he is probably okay with that!Maybe I misinterpreted this, but if so, what exactly did you mean then? And for all we know, The PDs *genuflects in their general direction and kneels to kiss their rings* could have been weighted 53-47 or even narrower of a margin. But thanks for deigning that "The label and PDs didn't want Cuckoo and that's the way it is." I think some of the fans are projecting some pretty hysterical things onto "how Adam feels", because THEY feel so invested and torn up over something that no one can control any way. Not to mention, we have absolutely no idea how Adam is feeling and if he even thought about this decision for more than a few hours! Hmmm, I haven't seen any hysterical projecting...just the usual exchange of opinions. And we do have a few hints about how Adam really feels about some things based on his own words.Adam's words are what I base my opinions on. At any rate, his last words announced NCOE as the single, so, like Susie, I WILL BE NCOE'S BITCH, lol! ;D All the rest of the discussion will be played out within the next few weeks, and I'm patient enough to get the facts vs. opinions when the numbers start coming in. In the meantime, I'm still REALLY excited for 5/15! ;D ETA: Kay, you said "He only can feel that radio politics SUCKS THE BIG ONE." He DOES feel this...at least he did during the 3/19 appearance in Lawrence, because that is what he SAID, only slightly more diplomatically. And I hope he is approaching it as a game to be won. Adam's pretty good at games, right?  |
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Post by tigerlily on Apr 12, 2012 0:35:20 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson is just fine and I'm sure Adam can learn to live with the same situation that many successful artists over the years have had to live with. Adam made five million dollars in 2011, he is probably okay with that!Maybe I misinterpreted this, but if so, what exactly did you mean then? And for all we know, The PDs *genuflects in their general direction and kneels to kiss their rings* could have been weighted 53-47 or even narrower of a margin. But thanks for deigning that "The label and PDs didn't want Cuckoo and that's the way it is." I'm not Tigerlily but I think you misinterpreted her too. The post didn't read to me as saying that Adam or Kelly didn't care if their singles weren't co-writes, it said that many artists have to live with this reality/compromise, whether they wish it was that way or not, and the benefits that come with great success can't be denied. Saying the artist will be 'fine' 'okay' can 'learn to live with' this compromise for a short (or long) time doesn't imply they don't care very strongly about getting their own vision/work out there IMHO. Cuckoo wasn't the PDs first choice, that doesn't say it won't be their second if NCOE does well, and it says nothing about the quality of the song or how listeners and buyers might respond to it. But really ya gotta please the gate keepers first IMO. , and thank you! We all have jobs and none of us ever gets what we want...when we want it 100% of the time. Our jobs, and our personal lives, are about compromising sometimes to get to the important things. We learn to accept that minor disappointments are always a part of the bigger picture. I'm 100% sure that Kelly Clarkson wanted one of her co-writes released as a single, but now looking at how things have turned out- I bet she is WAY OVER that temporary disappointment. She seems really happy with her current album, her tour and her personal life. |
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Post by lambo on Apr 12, 2012 0:35:53 GMT -5
NCOE is single 2?
Oh well. Maybe he'll crack the UK on album 3.
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