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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2012 11:21:04 GMT -5
Back to Mahailia's comment's about posting. I'm fairly new here, so don't jump in very often, but I did post a few comments about my reactions and feelings about the Kimmel event last week. At the time the only person who acknowledged my post was Reihmer - thank you, I appreciated that. I felt my reactions were a little different than others that were posting. For example, I was really taken with "Broken English" - I thought it was sublime. Also I gave a shout-out to the two back-up singers and felt they added greatly to the whole performance. Now several threads later, I'm finding that a few others have singled out "Broken English" as well - and even more importantly, I've been following the discussion on his backup singers. I found that in the Kimmel live performance, they added such richness, fullness and depth. I'm very glad they're with Adam's ensemble. LOL, annala. I told someone the other day that when I post something on Atop and it gets ignored, I never know whether to be sad or breathe a huge sigh of relief.  |
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Post by rihannsu on May 1, 2012 11:28:11 GMT -5
Actually I completely understand where tigerlily is coming from. In organizational psychology this type of bias is called "the romance of leadership" - this idea that when a team does very well or very badly we as humans tend to over-estimate the impact of the team's leader on the team's performance (e.g. if a sports team is on a losing streak, the coach or the QB take most of the blame, even though there are very complex team dynamics going on that might have caused it). That is not to say the leader - in this case Adam - is very important, because he IS of course. But IMO Cassie over-stated the importance that Adam has on his band's performance. These are still very talented musicians; not even Adam wouldn't be able to create an amazing performance if these people were not really talented in their own right. That's why selection is so important. That being said, of course Adam is the glue that holds everything together and takes it to the next level. I think a lot of you totally missed a huge part of what Cassie was saying. She was talking about Adam's network of connections that gave him access TO INCREDIBLY TALENTED PEOPLE. The Adam's networking skills have perhaps given him and those same skills can also inspire those connections to make the best recommendations and he does have great skill in picking people who mesh well together. You can have a group of the most talented people in the world and if they don't mesh they will not produce as well as a more mediocre group who mesh extremely well. By the way this has been studied and proven repeatedly in group cohesion studies. None of what Cassie said in any way diminished the contributions of the talent of the individual pieces. She was speaking about the assembly of those pieces and the process of bringing those talents together and creating a whole performance. This is one of the reasons that truly gifted project managers are in such high demand because when you have a group of creative people trying to work together having someone truly talented at getting the best performance out of ALL of the members is vitally important. None of that in any way ignores the talent of all the various members of the group. Of course Adam cannot do it all by himself. However I find it strange that some of the same people who have been saying that all the band members are "replaceable" are now indignant at the suggestion that Adam himself is important to the success of the performance as a whole. |
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Post by wal on May 1, 2012 11:28:13 GMT -5
OT OT OT @usweekly: BREAKING NEWS: Jessica Simpson gives birth to daughter Maxwell Drew Johnson! bit.ly/ImSxoq" |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2012 11:29:57 GMT -5
Yes - PEOPLE! Can we PLEASE make discussions regarding Adam's GB more TASTEFUL!
(Hmm. Wait a minute. Rephrasing . . . )
But, seriously? I celebrate and enjoy a lot about Adam. I am ALL for trying to be kind to each other and respect each other, but I guess I'm not going to worry TOO much about some of my interests' "acceptability" to others.
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Post by rihannsu on May 1, 2012 11:33:18 GMT -5
I completely disagree with the part in bold One would expect that any LA professional would be technically proficient, dedicated to their craft, and skilled or they wouldn't still working in LA. Competition is FIERCE and I assume that anyone who is actually making a long-term career as a paid singer there is extremely talented. Its a given. Nothing dismissive in the slightest. However, the alchemy involved in bringing something from technically proficient to transcendent is different, and involves not only the folk in the back, but the leader out front. Think in the difference in live television performances when Lisa (the original keyboardist) was playing for Adam versus Ke$ha. Lisa is a fantastic musician (and IMO probably the best 'classic' player he's had - incredibly skilled pianist). But the difference in the two overall PERFORMANCES had to do with Adam and Ke$ha. There is absolutely no denying Lisa's skills. But she, herself, does not "make" a performance. She can potentially break it by performing badly, but as a supporting person cannot not "make" it. The person who does the final assembly and takes on the ultimate responsibility of bringing all the skilled pieces together to create the holistic whole is the one who "makes" a performance. And in an Adam Lambert performance, that person/leader is Adam Lambert. There is a difference in giving Adam all the credit for certain things (such as arranging music) and saying he is a solo artist and the band, singers, etc. work for him. Why are the background singers good? Because they came in being good. They have been in this exact environment and working with each other for years. It's not like they didn't know what they were doing, but walked into Adam's "band" for two weeks and POOF, they are NOW amazing. I'm just trying to give credit where credit is due. These two ladies sounded good because THEY are good. They are good at what they do. Sasha and Terrance were good dancers, because they are good, they are excellent dancers. (Sasha did pretty darn good on SYTYCD) Brian is a well respected musician and director because he has proven himself over the years to be excellent. The backup singers on the AI tour were also very good, very professional and had years of experience and yet did not mesh worth shit with Adam in my opinion but then he didn't get to pick them did he. Adam's choices are as much a reason that the back up singers compliment his voice as the actual talent of the singers. If he doesn't make the right choice then the performance suffers. The first step in the creation of that beautiful performance was hiring the right people and that is what Cassie was pointing out as Adam's contribution. Why is this so hard to understand? |
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Post by lifetraveler on May 1, 2012 11:36:36 GMT -5
LOL at the leadership discussion I think we are ALL saying the same thing, which is basically two sides of the same coin:
1. Adam is a really talented musician, who takes things to the next level as a leader. Take all the musicians in his band, without him, and the experience wouldn't be close to the same.
2. The musicians in the band are very talented in their own right. Regardless of Adam's magical touch, not even him would be able to make magic out of people who don't know what they're doing.
And speaking of leaders, rabbit brought up an interesting point, which is, besides Adam, the MD is also the one with great musical vision who should be credited for these performances.
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Post by gelly14 on May 1, 2012 11:36:46 GMT -5
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Post by adamrocks on May 1, 2012 11:36:55 GMT -5
I just have to post this because I love that Nile Rogers is playing for Adam on SHADY and....I want to hear this song performed so badly!!   |
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Post by mszue on May 1, 2012 11:39:41 GMT -5
I LIVE for a good response, or any response, for that matter, to the things I post here. It is hard when no one acknowledges your posts, but I have learned to not take it personally. Everyone has their own interests and passions here. The fun thing is to just enjoy, scroll when you don't, but participate when you can. That is my 2 cents.  I love your two cents and this is me acknowledging it. I TA and furthermore...I would love to hear from someone re a comment I have made at least twice...maybe three times...so there! Am I the only one that compares the 'wailing' [not the best word but the one used] in BE to FS WLL rather than ROF? |
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Post by noreaster on May 1, 2012 11:41:30 GMT -5
GREAT post gracefuladam. That reminder was very thought-provoking. A little sometimes goes a long way when it comes to the GB (o gawd that sounded awful).  And mahailia, thank you and . I scroll through the GB discussions. It was interesting to me that the point was made that men tend to stare at women's breasts, so ergo it's the same if we women focus on the GB. Ironically, that's the very reason I scroll...I have always hated it when I have been treated like a collection of body parts. I REALLY hate it when men have conversations with my breasts, because honestly, they're not that bright and don't have much to say (meaning the breasts, of course  All of this is only my view. To me, it's about the voice. Yes, he's a very attractive guy from an artistic point of view and that will help his career longevity, but to me anything that distracts from his astounding talent is just that--a distraction. Therefore, I scroll. /Shrugs. P.S. I also really dislike that silly tongue flicker thing he does for the same reason. His tongue should be SINGING. |
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