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Post by Q3 on May 3, 2012 10:38:52 GMT -5
For everybody who does not live in the UK and is ordering that version just know that it will not count towards the UK sales. In order to keep each country's charts meaningful the sale must be shipped to a UK address and paid for by a UK account. This is the same for all countries. Several of the US ATOPPERS who are going to be IN the UK that first week because of the Queen concerts have offered to by for US peeps and bring the CD's back. These would count since they are purchased in a UK retail location thus have been shipped to that UK retailer then purchased there in the UK. Q3 can probably explain this better than me. So while these overseas amazon orders boost the album on the Amazon Best Sellers list they won't count for the official UK charts. For the most part, we are talking about something that is a rounding error. Trespassing UK will probably be a bit bigger than that but the popularity of the album in the UK will determine where it charts. I will bet that any international sales of Trespassing UK are more than offset by pre-July 2 sales of the US, Japan and EU import.
There is no specific exclusion in the UK Official Charts Company Album chart for international shipping address. This is a US Billboard/Soundscan exclusion. HOWEVER, the UK Official Chart Company can exclude sales that distort the true popularity of an album. It is highly unlikely that there will be enough international sales of Trespassing UK Version to trigger a special exclusion. If the album is really successful in the UK, it will be a small bit of sales. If the album is not that successful in the UK, then it won't matter much. This will only affect the music popularity charts, and does not effect Certification which is based on WHOLESALE sales or sales to retailers in the UK. If you purchase the UK Version of Trespassing from an international retailer like Amazon, it will be reported in the country you purchase it from --- If you buy it on the US Site as an import, it will be a US sale. If you buy it on the Amazon UK Site it will be a UK sale. UNLESS the retailer does an international transfer. There is no way to figure out where a trans-national sale within a international retailer will be reported for Certification. It depends on the retail systems and processes of the specific retailer. UK rules have not changed since 2009 and are pretty straightforward. US Neilsen Soundscan changes their complex rules most often when a really popular album will be disadvantaged --- like when they suspended the discount exclusion for Gaga's BTW and counted the 400,000 unites Amazon sold for $0.99. That was a rules violation -- but there logic was the retailer made the promotional move and that these sales would have occurred anyway. If they had not counted these sales there would have been a huge gap between wholesale sales and retail sales. In the next few years, as subscriptions to digital music grow, someone will have to come up with some new way to measure music popularity. Sales of albums and tracks are clearly no longer a good measure. |
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Post by mahailia on May 3, 2012 10:39:27 GMT -5
Junie, are you coming to see me? You can get service in the Marathon flats.
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Post by mahailia on May 3, 2012 10:40:59 GMT -5
I've been checking my email account every 5 minutes.
Why are the international peeps getting theirs shipped before us?
No fair!!!
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Post by rihannsu on May 3, 2012 10:46:32 GMT -5
For everybody who does not live in the UK and is ordering that version just know that it will not count towards the UK sales. In order to keep each country's charts meaningful the sale must be shipped to a UK address and paid for by a UK account. This is the same for all countries. Several of the US ATOPPERS who are going to be IN the UK that first week because of the Queen concerts have offered to by for US peeps and bring the CD's back. These would count since they are purchased in a UK retail location thus have been shipped to that UK retailer then purchased there in the UK. Q3 can probably explain this better than me. So while these overseas amazon orders boost the album on the Amazon Best Sellers list they won't count for the official UK charts. For the most part, we are talking about something that is a rounding error. Trespassing UK will probably be a bit bigger than that but the popularity of the album in the UK will determine where it charts. I will bet that any international sales of Trespassing UK are more than offset by pre-July 2 sales of the US, Japan and EU import.
There is no specific exclusion in the UK Official Charts Company Album chart for international shipping address. This is a US Billboard/Soundscan exclusion. HOWEVER, the UK Official Chart Company can exclude sales that distort the true popularity of an album. It is highly unlikely that there will be enough international sales of Trespassing UK Version to trigger a special exclusion. If the album is really successful in the UK, it will be a small bit of sales. If the album is not that successful in the UK, then it won't matter much. This will only affect the music popularity charts, and does not effect Certification which is based on WHOLESALE sales or sales to retailers in the UK. If you purchase the UK Version of Trespassing from an international retailer like Amazon, it will be reported in the country you purchase it from --- If you buy it on the US Site as an import, it will be a US sale. If you buy it on the Amazon UK Site it will be a UK sale. UNLESS the retailer does an international transfer. There is no way to figure out where a trans-national sale within a international retailer will be reported for Certification. It depends on the retail systems and processes of the specific retailer. UK rules have not changed since 2009 and are pretty straightforward. US Neilsen Soundscan changes their complex rules most often when a really popular album will be disadvantaged --- like when they suspended the discount exclusion for Gaga's BTW and counted the 400,000 unites Amazon sold for $0.99. That was a rules violation -- but there logic was the retailer made the promotional move and that these sales would have occurred anyway. If they had not counted these sales there would have been a huge gap between wholesale sales and retail sales. In the next few years, as subscriptions to digital music grow, someone will have to come up with some new way to measure music popularity. Sales of albums and tracks are clearly no longer a good measure. Ok, I knew you had a better grasp on it than I did but I really thought I remembered being told last go round that they wouldn't count. Sorry if I confused anybody. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2012 10:48:23 GMT -5
Junie, are you coming to see me? You can get service in the Marathon flats. Know what you mean, my road......from pavement, to gravel, to dirt, to me.......technology is stetchy at best.....  |
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Post by mahailia on May 3, 2012 10:49:02 GMT -5
Adam will have a LOT of promo opportunity – much more than Chelsea lately. We should see these talk show slots popping up today and tomorrow for next week and maybe drop week and they will continue through the following weeks. Massive STORM on the horizon ...  I have a really strong gut feeling that Adam will start touring in Sept. I don't think he can stand waiting to get out on the road with this music. I think he will announce his tour at the Wilkes Barre concert, and I think he will be in the UK and Europe for most of June. It's gonna be fun! |
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Post by melliemom on May 3, 2012 10:49:02 GMT -5
I've been checking my email account every 5 minutes. Why are the international peeps getting theirs shipped before us? No fair!!! We will probably end up getting them the same time.. It takes a while to get to Europe. It sometimes takes five days for me to get mail from Florida to North Carolina.. LOL |
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Post by rihannsu on May 3, 2012 10:50:15 GMT -5
I've been checking my email account every 5 minutes. Why are the international peeps getting theirs shipped before us? No fair!!! All the shipments including those in the US are timed as best as possible for the CD's to arrive on release date. Therefore since shipping times from the US to other countries are longer those will be shipped first. AO will ship to US addresses in such a way that the expected delivery will be May 15th. We know from experience that many of them will actually arrive before the expected date and some will not. As long as the projected arrival date is the release date those sales will count properly in release week even if the actual arrival of the package is the week before. I would think US orders without express shipping will start going out the beginning of next week. |
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Post by lambo on May 3, 2012 10:50:21 GMT -5
Just checked my iPod play count for the first time...  :-[ |
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Post by 4Ms on May 3, 2012 10:52:03 GMT -5
According to those vaporsky people it does. LOL They tweeted about the BOX SEX selling out in 3 hours. ;D ;D ;D I think that was the super duper fan ed that costs $274 that sold out in 3 hours. It probably has BIG BOX SEX  |
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