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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 21:31:52 GMT -5
I just listened to an interview with Katy Perry concerning he 3D movie. She sounds like a little girl on drugs. I guess when you pander to tweens and teens, you become one. I guess my point is, you don't have to be talented to be a star. You have to be at the right place at the right time and pander to certain age groups. It's cool to be a bieber or a KP fan. It's not so cool to be a AL fan. I think Adam got caught up in the British invasion of ID, also the success of Fun and the Wanted with the Biebs thrown in there. Then of course Adam Levine with his inane songs. I think his single and album came out at the wrong time. It should have been Feb and I think it would have gotten the traction. Actually, releasing Trespassing on the week they released it is one of the few things RCA got right! Someone in their marketing dept. figured that date out perfectly! It's the only date he would have made history! And he did make history!  Now, the single releases, that's another story! :-/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 21:37:00 GMT -5
Really? I had a house full of beautiful college sorority girls who were talking about going to get Justin Bieber's album at midnight. I'm not sure what happened, but the Biebs is now popular with the older girls as well as the younger ones. (I'm referencing girls who listen to Pop music and Pop radio.) 1D? Same thing with these girls and all my daughter's college friends- only 10x more! Ok, just did a poll with my DS and his firends( three 18-19 year old boys) and my DD - just graduated college re Biebs. ALL of them looked at me like I am crazy even asking ..my DS said that he is sad my Adam madness got me as far as talking about Biebs... (OK, I agree with him there...  ) DD said she knows NOONE who likes him. 1D front was even worse: my DD suggested we can google 1D and find out what they are... ... after that all the kids shrugged their shoulders... disclaimer: they shrug their shoulders at Adam as well. They DO losten to music, the reason I have the premium Spotify is my DS - he insisted on subscribing so he can listen on his phone... so now both of the kids are listening to something on Spotify all the time.... obviously I am living in a different world... and obviously Biebs is adored by enough people to make him what he is... I just don't come across these people... Me too, nica! My friends kids don't like him either! But as you said, there are plenty who do or he wouldn't be selling what he is selling. This is iinteresting though. His special that was on last night was the 2nd lowest rated show of the night! Weird, huh?! EW: Justin Bieber's NBC special flops in ratings insidetv.ew.com/2012/06/21/justin-bieber-nbc-ratings/CinemaBlend: NBC's Justin Bieber Special Fails To Make Its Mark In The Ratings www.cinemablend.com/television/NBC-Justin-Bieber-Special-Fails-Make-Its-Mark-Ratings-43816.htmlDigitalSpy: Justin Bieber's NBC TV concert special seen by 3.3m www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a388931/justin-biebers-nbc-tv-concert-special-seen-by-33m.html |
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 21, 2012 21:48:34 GMT -5
Ok, just did a poll with my DS and his firends( three 18-19 year old boys) and my DD - just graduated college re Biebs. ALL of them looked at me like I am crazy even asking ..my DS said that he is sad my Adam madness got me as far as talking about Biebs... (OK, I agree with him there... ) DD said she knows NOONE who likes him. 1D front was even worse: my DD suggested we can google 1D and find out what they are... ... after that all the kids shrugged their shoulders... disclaimer: they shrug their shoulders at Adam as well. They DO losten to music, the reason I have the premium Spotify is my DS - he insisted on subscribing so he can listen on his phone... so now both of the kids are listening to something on Spotify all the time.... obviously I am living in a different world... and obviously Biebs is adored by enough people to make him what he is... I just don't come across these people... Me too, nica! My friends kids don't like him either! But as you said, there are plenty who do or he wouldn't be selling what he is selling. This is iinteresting though. His special that was on last night was the 2nd lowest rated show of the night! Weird, huh?! Not really. What really matters are those album and single sales. The Bieb's opening numbers are predicted to be around 400K in the US alone, in the middle of the summer. That's not counting the fact that he was #1 on iTunes in over 30 countries. The kid has already sold millions of his first single and his worldwide arena tour sold out in 30 minutes. There isn't a single performer that all our kids are going to agree on, but one thing is certain, Bieber has plenty of fans around the world. I'm just surprised JB was able to make the transition from tweeny girl heartthrob to more Pop oriented music. Justin has some big time collabs on his album and he is being managed and marketed well! Isn't he an LA Reid artist? That guy knows how to market Pop stars. |
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 21, 2012 21:54:36 GMT -5
My 5yr old thinks she loves Justin Bieber. She won't be getting his album |
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 21, 2012 22:01:59 GMT -5
My 5yr old thinks she loves Justin Bieber. She won't be getting his album My five year old loved N Sync, The Spice Girls and Britney Spears. LOL She had all of their albums and knew every word to every song. In first grade, she went to an N Sync and a Britney Spears concert! Hey...all her first grade friends were going! |
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Post by Jablea on Jun 21, 2012 23:09:05 GMT -5
Ok, I just did my 2 stations request. I probably do it 3-4 times a week. Certainly not every day and I always request WWFM if they list it too. I play spin it radio games or other voting once a month or so and again, I'll never vote WWFM down. As far as I"m concerned if it gets spinned it's a win too and a down vote is against the artist.
So I don't angst much, I don't feel bad that I'm not doing more. I think about buying more than my two albums so that I have something to give away but haven't done it. I read here multiple times a day, listen/watch all of the interviews and most of the performances. I post every once in a while on other sites that don't require me to register.
Am I an invested fan? I think so. I think I've got his back, but it's on my terms and what I feel is enough may not the same as other people.
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Post by lynne on Jun 22, 2012 1:00:43 GMT -5
Got curious and so I just texted my niece who just finished up her freshman year at a small-ish Christian college. She is a very apple pie, cute as a button, brimming over with young adorableness, social, cheerleader type girl. She only listens to pop, unlike my own more hipster type kids, who never listen to pop. I figured if anyone liked JB, she would. And I was right. She and all of her friends love Justin Bieber, but they do not like 1 direction. Her 14 year old younger sister, though, is a huge 1D fan.
My other niece, a more cool, kind of edgy, artsy type, who just finished her sophomore year at Berkley, said no one she knows listens to Justin Bieber. She doesn't listen to pop in general and listens to indie hipster type music.
There you have it, LOL. My very unscientific poll.
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 6:54:22 GMT -5
On the homophobia issue, I don't think the PD's or corporate have this issue. I think some of the listeners do and radio is listening to them. One example I can give is both times Adam was on the syndicated Kidd Kraddick show, their Facebook page was filled wth hateful, homophobic posts. There were people posting that even though they were loyal listeners, they would change the channel while Adam was on. If people will do that, what's to say they don't complain to radio stations when they do play Adam? I do think the majority of people don't care but there are just enough to be vocal enough to make a stink and Adam doesn't have a large enough fan base or high enough sales to overcome it. Look what happened with the protests around JC Penney and their hiring of Ellen and the ad wih the gay dads. Luckily, JC Penney stood up to them. But that small group was able to garner attention and make a big stink. I hope JC Penney continues to fight them but their CEO had to step down this week, so who knows. People who protested them are taking credit for his dismissal. Another example, look at what a very vocal minority was able to do to the Dixie Chicks. They destroyed their career by getting them blackballed from country radio. Radio could have just ignored it and let it pass, cause I think the majority of even country music fans didn't care. But radio listened to the ones raising hell and stopped playing the Dixie Chicks and destroyed their career. Look at the current backlash against Carrie Underwood. When asked about it during her latest UK interviews, she's trying to back away from it cause she acknowledged the backlash. She didn't verbally retract her support but she didn't reinforce it either. She is trying to avoid talkng about it altogether cause the backlash scared her. The more I think about it, the more I think this is what is going on. Anything that corporate run radio thinks is going to jeopardize advertising, radio is going to run from. They don't have anythng against Adam but corporate America is not into standing up for social causes, they're all business. Actually, this fits my own interpretation of radio being homophobic as well. Aferall some of the radio peeps themselves are gay, but it is obvious they do not take the decision of what to play. The corporate owners with the PDs take this decision. Another strong evidence the 'gay' is a factor is, American radio does not play a single gay artist ( except you count the skeletal airplay Adam gets as an exception). They just don't have any and it is strange that only straight people have the special gift of creating radio hits in a country of about 300m people. |
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 7:31:23 GMT -5
"Should of" is always a compelling idea but there is no knowing if that "would have" worked. From my heart (we both went through that piece of karma) to yours - I hope you let it go. Enjoy the ride. It is what it is. I look at like this - my job is to use my free will to do what I can to effect a positive outcome now and in the near future. I can't use my free will to change the past. I understand your point. With radio, how many are truly voting consistently day in and day out. It was only until there were requests because this is a critical juncture in radio play that some started to vote. I have worked my fingers to the bone on so many radio stations, and vote in every poll conceivable, and do Q102 daily from the beginning. I am starting to get burned out. Other artists don't go thru as many paces. I just wonder if there is enough us to change the tides. A lot of peeps spend a lot of time on twitter. I just wonder how many of them do the voting to make a difference. I have let it go. I am using my free will to do what I can. I just feel it is not enough. See, I feel you would feel better the moment you knew reguests're not the problem here. I am often on Twitter and see the way glamberts mobilise for requests all the time including voting on stupid Idol votes by some radio stations ( it infuriates me how glamberts stoop so low voting in these click baiting polls that pitch Adam against Cook, Archie etc. as I thought our fanbase was wiser and more sophisticated than that. Can't they just see they are mocking us at our desperation for radio play? Some of these Idols are w/o labels and they are not exactly playing them either. If this were useful in anyway, shouldn't Adam had gotten more AirPlay considering how many times he's won them? Like I said, it is not about requests as I am not sure Stefano has more fans than Adam and he is getting more airplay. As to the ifs, Adam might have released at the best possible time, created the best ever sounding and ever written song, it would still not become a hit if radio wouldn't spin it, it just would never be a hit. I am also one of the fans that feel the songs are just not the problem. Adam also said radio play has little to do with the quality of the song and it is mostly politics. If Bruno had released his song and BTIKM, both would have SMASHED. |
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Post by nica575 on Jun 22, 2012 7:41:20 GMT -5
I understand your point. With radio, how many are truly voting consistently day in and day out. It was only until there were requests because this is a critical juncture in radio play that some started to vote. I have worked my fingers to the bone on so many radio stations, and vote in every poll conceivable, and do Q102 daily from the beginning. I am starting to get burned out. Other artists don't go thru as many paces. I just wonder if there is enough us to change the tides. A lot of peeps spend a lot of time on twitter. I just wonder how many of them do the voting to make a difference. I have let it go. I am using my free will to do what I can. I just feel it is not enough. See, I feel you would feel better the moment you knew reguests're not the problem here. I am often on Twitter and see the way mobilises for requesting all the time including voting on stupid Idol votes by the radio station ( it infuriates me how glamberts stoop so low voting in these click baiting polls that clich Adam against Cook, Archie etc. as I thought our fanbase was wiser and more sophisticated than that. Can't they just see they are mocking us at our desperation for radio play? Some of these Idols are w/o labels and they are not exactly playing them either. If this were useful in anyway, shouldn't Adam had gotten more AirPlay considering how many times he's won them? Like I said, it is not about requests as I am not sure Stefano has more fans than Adam. As to the ifs, Adam might have released at the best possible time, created the best ever sounding and written song, it would still not become a hit if radio wouldn't spin it, it would never be a hit. I am also one of the fans that feel the songs are not just the problem. Adam also said radio play has little to do with the quality of the song and it is mostly politics. If Bruno had released his song and BTIKM, both would have SMASHED. Agree with everything you said. Sad but true. (although since I have no appreciation of both singles it is very easy to go down the line of "other single would've done much better"...) |
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Now, the single releases, that's another story! :-/
) DD said she knows NOONE who likes him.
