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Post by JazzRocks on Jun 22, 2012 8:15:04 GMT -5
See, I feel you would feel better the moment you knew reguests're not the problem here. I am often on Twitter and see the way mobilises for requesting all the time including voting on stupid Idol votes by the radio station ( it infuriates me how glamberts stoop so low voting in these click baiting polls that clich Adam against Cook, Archie etc. as I thought our fanbase was wiser and more sophisticated than that. Can't they just see they are mocking us at our desperation for radio play? Some of these Idols are w/o labels and they are not exactly playing them either. If this were useful in anyway, shouldn't Adam had gotten more AirPlay considering how many times he's won them? Like I said, it is not about requests as I am not sure Stefano has more fans than Adam. As to the ifs, Adam might have released at the best possible time, created the best ever sounding and written song, it would still not become a hit if radio wouldn't spin it, it would never be a hit. I am also one of the fans that feel the songs are not just the problem. Adam also said radio play has little to do with the quality of the song and it is mostly politics. If Bruno had released his song and BTIKM, both would have SMASHED. Agree with everything you said. Sad but true. (although since I have no appreciation of both singles it is very easy to go down the line of "other single would've done much better"...) And I agree with both of you. Except - if NCOE can't make it on HAC (and especially CHR) I don't think any other single would have. It may not fit the album or Adam's vision (sadly) but it does fit radio. Remember when we first learned that this would be the second single and a few peeps were saying it was perfect because if radio didn't play this one (Bruno written & good pop song) it would be proof there was something else going on? It was like Adam was throwing down the gauntlet and saying "there US radio - let's see you ignore this one". I think most of us would agree that had Bruno released this it would have been an instant smash. |
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 22, 2012 10:14:10 GMT -5
Remember when we first learned that this would be the second single and a few peeps were saying it was perfect because if radio didn't play this one (Bruno written & good pop song) it would be proof there was something else going on? It was like Adam was throwing down the gauntlet and saying "there US radio - let's see you ignore this one". I think most of us would agree that had Bruno released this it would have been an instant smash. I think radio would play this from Bruno if it was AFTER he established himself as a relevant writer/singer/collab partner with the cool rap dudes on several mega Pop hits. That paved the way for radio to see him as cool and relevant. Then Bruno released "his WWFM", and it was the type of song that females from 10-100 could relate to. BAM- the biggest hit of the year. That type of song, the one that sells 5 million+, and the fact that he had a good album and Grenade as a back up single paved the way. Now, Bruno is in the category of top Pop artists and radio PDs are going to jump on anything he is singing on. Adam needs to be seen as cool and relevant and then have a Stronger or a Just the Way You Are to get to the place Bruno is at. Adam is facing the Idol bias. He is currently competing on the charts with Kelly, Carrie, Haley, Daughtry, Haley, Kris, Stefano, Phillip and even the X-Factor guy Chris Renee. It won't surprise me if Jimmy gets a debut single from Jessica out to radio this summer. Plus, all the "fun Pop song spots" are being taken up by the youngsters and the UK invasion. I'm thrilled with Adam's #1 album and the fact that it made history, but looking at how things turned out, I wish they would have released the album before Christmas and the single or singles starting back last summer. We actually caught a break with Lauren and Scotty being the winner and runner up last year on Idol and with season 9 sucking and producing zero viable Pop/HAC artists. Last summer, a single from Adam would have had no competition from any idol on the charts! By Fall, his competition would have only been Kelly and Daughtry. RCA could have tried a couple of singles out starting last summer and into the fall. Also, the strange teen artist obsession on radio and the British invasion hadn't begun at that point! Timing is extremely important in the overall picture and they really screwed themselves as far as that aspect of the roll-out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 10:37:48 GMT -5
But, if Adam had released last summer which of these great songs would not be on the album? What would be there instead? It was June that he got in the studio with Pharrel. And we know, from Adam, that Take Back was the very first song he wrote, before Pharrel. So would we have more songs like Take Back? There certainly would be no Kickin In, Trespassing, Shady, or Pop That Lock. No way of knowing what would have been on the album, but I would not have liked a whole album of Take Back type songs. Sounds way too David Cook to me. Now, I can agree on a single in the Fall and a plan for more than one single before the album. Perhaps one in Sept./Oct. Then another in late Spring(March,) with the album still on May 15th. Because with the juggernaut that has been Adele, that date is probably the only one in over a year that would have gotten him the #1. And in the future, in music history, that is an important milestone. And of course, I am in the "nica575 camp" and would have chosen different singles. Actually, that is not 100% true. I think NCOE for the first single would have been good. Then one of the funky ones for the 2nd one. Something that represents the funky sound that Adam is presenting with the album. Woulda, coulda, should've!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 10:57:20 GMT -5
Yes, jazzrocks, I do remember that and I still agree! There is some other reason radio will not play Adam, this era, and I don't think it is homophobia (due to WWFM & IIHY.) I also don't think it is an Idol bias. I used to, but if Stefano and Phillip are getting played, there can't be an Idol bias. Maybe an Idol overload? But if that is the case, then radio should be picking the best of the best, which would include Adam and NCOE! I also think Adam is the least Idol-ey of them all. So if anyone should not have an Idol bias, it would be him!
I am down to 2 conclusions, which can't be proven one way or the other. 1) his perceived demographic as older 2) His own age :-/
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 22, 2012 10:58:03 GMT -5
Late last summer, they could have released a single without having the album finished. That happens all the time.
They could have done the 'two singles before album drop roll-out plan' (which they were forced into doing anyways) and still finished the album up around Christmas.
What would they have released? IDK, maybe Cuckoo, Naked love or even Trespassing?
Philip is getting played because he is the latest Idol. This is now his time, in three years he will face what the rest of them are facing.
Jimmy is smarter than the old school RCA! He got P2 a song that sounds current and matches his voice. Jimmy also got an actual pure Pop song with a rap collab for Stefano. The Idols who are signed with Interscope are getting a fresh start, better songs and a smarter roll-out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 11:16:14 GMT -5
So true about Jimmy and Interscope.  In many times, during my angsting, I have actually wondered if having a new label (ie: getting dropped) would be a not so bad thing for Adam. Because seriosuly, to have someone with Adam's talent, looks, personality, and charisma... but screw up the single rollouts the way RCA did is inexcusable, in my book! |
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Post by lynne on Jun 22, 2012 11:16:15 GMT -5
Interscope does seem to do a good job with their artists.
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 13:34:44 GMT -5
Agree with everything you said. Sad but true. (although since I have no appreciation of both singles it is very easy to go down the line of "other single would've done much better"...) And I agree with both of you. Except - if NCOE can't make it on HAC (and especially CHR) I don't think any other single would have. It may not fit the album or Adam's vision (sadly) but it does fit radio. Remember when we first learned that this would be the second single and a few peeps were saying it was perfect because if radio didn't play this one (Bruno written & good pop song) it would be proof there was something else going on? It was like Adam was throwing down the gauntlet and saying "there US radio - let's see you ignore this one". I think most of us would agree that had Bruno released this it would have been an instant smash. Yes, we are actually saying the same thing. I am sure RCA and Adam desperately wanting a hit gave radio their darling Bruno penned single. Adam even Said they themselves picked this one despite the other single options presented to them, yet they are not playing it. I hope this would silence those saying if song A or B etc were chosen as the 2nd single, it would have been a HIT. Radio heard those and said they would only play NCOE, so what does that tell you? Well, it tells me something else and not the singles released is the problem. |
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 13:46:59 GMT -5
Yes, jazzrocks, I do remember that and I still agree! There is some other reason radio will not play Adam, this era, and I don't think it is homophobia (due to WWFM & IIHY.) I also don't think it is an Idol bias. I used to, but if Stefano and Phillip are getting played, there can't be an Idol bias. Maybe an Idol overload? But if that is the case, then radio should be picking the best of the best, which would include Adam and NCOE! I also think Adam is the least Idol-ey of them all. So if anyone should not have an Idol bias, it would be him! I am down to 2 conclusions, which can't be proven one way or the other. 1) his perceived demographic as older 2) His own age :-/ Hmm.. Stefano is not a fresh baked Idol. He was on season 10 and the buzz of that season is long gone. What I am trying to prove here is that he currently does not have the factors peeps say radio considers to spin an Idol. I forgot to add he was not exactly one of the popular Idols too since he finished no.8 or 9. Yet hé is getting better airplay. So looking at this, we can radio wants to play him despite his AI demographic as this is something not exclusively Adam specific. All of them have that same luggage. As for Adam's age, take a look at the top 40. It is dominated by older artists. The teen acts there are few and far between. I personally don't think any of this is the reason. |
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 22, 2012 13:54:56 GMT -5
Yes, jazzrocks, I do remember that and I still agree! There is some other reason radio will not play Adam, this era, and I don't think it is homophobia (due to WWFM & IIHY.) I also don't think it is an Idol bias. I used to, but if Stefano and Phillip are getting played, there can't be an Idol bias. Maybe an Idol overload? But if that is the case, then radio should be picking the best of the best, which would include Adam and NCOE! I also think Adam is the least Idol-ey of them all. So if anyone should not have an Idol bias, it would be him! I am down to 2 conclusions, which can't be proven one way or the other. 1) his perceived demographic as older 2) His own age :-/ Hmm.. Stefano is not a fresh baked Idol. He was on season 10 and the buzz of that season is long gone. What I am trying to prove here is that he currently does not have the factors peeps say radio considers to spin an Idol. I forgot to add he was not exactly one of the popular Idols too since he finished no.8 or 9. Yet hé is getting better airplay. So looking at this, we can radio wants to play despite his AI demographic as this is something not exclusively Adam specific. As for Adam's age, take a look at the top 40. It is dominated by older artists. The teen acts there are few and far between. I personally don't think any of this is the reason. Stefano came in 7th and this is his first single sent to radio. Jimmy found Stefano the right kind of song and he changed his image during the tour and with his first single. It's not like the song is tearing up the chart, but it is a single that is designed for Pop play with the rap collabs. Add in the fact that Jimmy has some pull, and the song might make it to the top 40 on CHR. Six of the top 20 are teen acts with more songs climbing the charts from the teen crew. That's not few and far between. I don't know if age is a factor or not, but the pure pop spots are currently being snagged up by the usual Divas and a host of teen acts and artists from the UK. |
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