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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 14:17:10 GMT -5
Hmm.. Stefano is not a fresh baked Idol. He was on season 10 and the buzz of that season is long gone. What I am trying to prove here is that he currently does not have the factors peeps say radio considers to spin an Idol. I forgot to add he was not exactly one of the popular Idols too since he finished no.8 or 9. Yet hé is getting better airplay. So looking at this, we can radio wants to play despite his AI demographic as this is something not exclusively Adam specific. As for Adam's age, take a look at the top 40. It is dominated by older artists. The teen acts there are few and far between. I personally don't think any of this is the reason. Stefano came in 7th and this is his first single sent to radio. Jimmy found Stefano the right kind of song and he changed his image during the tour and with his first single. It's not like the song is tearing up the chart, but it is a single that is designed for Pop play with the rap collabs. Add in the fact that Jimmy has some pull, and the song might make it to the top 40 on CHR. Six of the top 20 are teen acts with more songs climbing the charts from the teen crew. That's not few and far between. I don't know if age is a factor or not, but the pure pop spots are currently being snagged up by the usual Divas and a host of teen acts and artists from the UK. I thought I spoke about top 40 and not top 20? Perhaps our definItions of few and far between are not the same? Secondly Dr. Luke that writes most of POP hits would disagree with your Assessment of his song not being good enough for POP radio. I didn't know you would know that better than him and radio Adam said picked the single as the one they would support? And neither did I know only songs with rap parts take off on POP radio. Lastly, I don't see any changes in Stefano's image. The guy had no buzz then for anyone to have noticed him and his image neither does he have any now. You see what I meant when I said we should always agree to disagree as our realities never seem to mesh? |
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 22, 2012 14:30:59 GMT -5
Stefano came in 7th and this is his first single sent to radio. Jimmy found Stefano the right kind of song and he changed his image during the tour and with his first single. It's not like the song is tearing up the chart, but it is a single that is designed for Pop play with the rap collabs. Add in the fact that Jimmy has some pull, and the song might make it to the top 40 on CHR. Six of the top 20 are teen acts with more songs climbing the charts from the teen crew. That's not few and far between. I don't know if age is a factor or not, but the pure pop spots are currently being snagged up by the usual Divas and a host of teen acts and artists from the UK. I thought I spoke about top 40 and not top 20? Perhaps our definitions of few and far between are not the same? Secondly Dr. Luke that writes most of POP hits would disagree with your Assessment of his song not good enough for POP radio. I didn't know you would know that better than him and radio Adam said picked the single as the one they would support and neither did I know only songs with rap parts take off on POP Lastly, I don't see any changes in Stefano's image. The guy had no buzz then for anyone to have noticed and neither does he any now. You see what I meant when I said we should always agree to disagree as our realities never seem to mesh? Perhaps? When 25% of the most played songs on CHR are going to the teen acts, I don't call that few and far between. 25% means that I will hear a song from a teen act 1 out of every 4 songs during the busiest times of the day for the most listeners. The top 20 songs are part of the top 40. They are the songs that are getting the most airplay. The top 20 are the songs that are in heavy rotation during the optimal hours on the stations with the most listeners. They are the songs that most of America is hearing everytime they turn on the radio to a CHR station. I see changes in Stefano's image from the image he portrayed on Idol and so do most of the posters at the Idol sites. You can disagree with that opinion, but it is an opinion that a large amount of those who follow Idol every season, have expressed. Don't put words in my mouth! Not once did I say that Dr. Luke doesn't PRODUCE pop hits. Not once did I say that I would know better than radio or Adam on what would be good for radio. Not once did I say that only songs with rap collabs take off on Pop. |
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 14:38:21 GMT -5
Interscope does seem to do a good job with their artists. So does RCA. I see all their artists all over CHR including HAC inclined ones like Degraw and Sammy Adams. They do well with their artists in my opinion especially those the label support. We tend to think they support Adam too and don't put him in the same category with someOne like Kris for example. Adam therefore is the only one enjoying label support and push that radio just isn't biting. It tells me that it is just the person singing, not the songs or label that are the problems here. |
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 22, 2012 14:50:40 GMT -5
I think more and more that Adam's age is a factor. The top 40 artists are young, for the most part. And the ones that aren't were either able to establish themselves before they turned 30, or used a younger rap act in a collaboration. Along with Adam's age comes his demographic, which he actually brought up as a part of the "radio politics" his is facing.
I heard NCOE for the first time on the radio last night (U-Mix-It spin). It fits perfectly on the radio. This is a good CHR radio song (not quite as immediately "catchy" as some other songs out, maybe, but still a very good radio song)
I think the biggest problem was the release of BTIKM as the first single (not to mention the strange December drop). Imagine if he had gotten to promote NCOE on all those stations last spring---it wasn't even finished that he could sing it along with BTIKM.
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 14:55:27 GMT -5
I thought I spoke about top 40 and not top 20? Perhaps our definitions of few and far between are not the same? Secondly Dr. Luke that writes most of POP hits would disagree with your Assessment of his song not good enough for POP radio. I didn't know you would know that better than him and radio Adam said picked the single as the one they would support and neither did I know only songs with rap parts take off on POP Lastly, I don't see any changes in Stefano's image. The guy had no buzz then for anyone to have noticed and neither does he any now. You see what I meant when I said we should always agree to disagree as our realities never seem to mesh? Perhaps? When 25% of the most played songs on CHR are going to the teen acts, I don't call that few and far between. 25% means that I will hear a song from a teen act 1 out of every 4 songs during the busiest times of the day for the most listeners. The top 20 songs are part of the top 40. They are the songs that are getting the most airplay. The top 20 are the songs that are in heavy rotation during the optimal hours on the stations with the most listeners. They are the songs that most of America is hearing everytime they turn on the radio to a CHR station. I see changes in Stefano's image from the image he portrayed on Idol and so do most of the posters at the Idol sites. You can disagree with that opinion, but it is an opinion that a large amount of those who follow Idol every season, have expressed. Don't put words in my mouth! Not once did I say that Dr. Luke doesn't PRODUCE pop hits. Not once did I say that I would know better than radio or Adam on what would be good for radio. Not once did I say that only songs with rap collabs take off on Pop. 25% of 100% tells that is the minority. And according to your explanation that is one out of every 4 songs. That fits my interpretation of few and far between. I did not see where I said in my original post the most played or top 20 songs. I said TOP 40 SONGS. Perhaps it would be cool if you could post what I posted instead of putting your own thoughts in my mouth? Nice to know someone is keeping tab on Stefano. As for my opinion, he had no buzz then neither does he have any now. And I doubt people know who the guy is. You said he had a better fitting POP song hence why I said Dr. Luke would disagree only songs with rap like you said are good for radio. |
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Post by jean1010 on Jun 22, 2012 14:57:58 GMT -5
gbam said:
Adam therefor is the only one enjoying label support and push that radio just isn't biting. It shows to tell that it is just the person singing not the songs or label that are the problems
Wow, this is beyond depressing because if this is the case, there doesn't seem much we or RCA can do about it. He is what he is, a gay Idol alum. I am feeling pretty hopeless. Still have some hope for UK though because of Queen and their more liberal society in general.
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 22, 2012 15:13:26 GMT -5
What Stefano has going for him is the fact that he is "boy band" young and apparently has some kind of rap collaboration on his song. And, while he is off AI, I doubt the majority of people even know this. Even having said this, I don't see his song doing a whole lot more on CHR. It is just not going to go anywhere.
It is troubling that an entirely CHR-friendly song written by Bruno is struggling. Because that would seem to indicate that the "problem" is Adam, whether it is his perceived undesireable-for-pop-radio fanbase or a general failure to connect with the mainstream. But, this is where if Adam is valuable to RCA, and the label sees his potential (which is huge, imo), they will look at new strategies and do some thinking "outside the box" to break him through. Or, they will concentrate Internationally, where his fanbase appears to be much younger and the Idol stigma not as strong.
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 15:18:47 GMT -5
I think more and more that Adam's age is a factor. The top 40 artists are young, for the most part. And the ones that aren't were either able to establish themselves before they turned 30, or used a younger rap act in a collaboration. Along with Adam's age comes his demographic, which he actually brought up as a part of the "radio politics" his is facing. I heard NCOE for the first time on the radio last night (U-Mix-It spin). It fits perfectly on the radio. This is a good CHR radio song (not quite as immediately "catchy" as some other songs out, maybe, but still a very good radio song) I think the biggest problem was the release of BTIKM as the first single (not to mention the strange December drop). Imagine if he had gotten to promote NCOE on all those stations last spring---it wasn't even finished that he could sing it along with BTIKM. Nicki Minaj is older than Adam and came on radio much after Adam. Carvin Harries is in his late 20s and came just last year. Gueta came on Pop radio when he was over 30. These are just some examples that came easily to me. Z100 recently added Olly Murs after tweeting he was hot and in demand. This guy is already in his late 20s. He was not added because his song was anywhere on iTunes 200 ( like some claim determines what gets added, neither is the song showing up there even now despite the airplay he is been enjoying from Z and the other stations) neither is he a teen. No, Adam's age fits and is just fine to me. If that were true, Stefano shouldn't be charting as they all have this same AI demographic. Oops I forgot to add K'NAAN is 34 and just recently broke thru on top 40 radio this year. His age definitely did not stand in the way. With all these examples, I just am not biting the old age or demographic meme. |
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 22, 2012 15:33:28 GMT -5
OK, I will rephrase it, age is an issue if you are a white male trying to establish yourself in pop music. I read an article a while ago---it was an interview/ Q&A with the guy who is (or was, not sure) the PD at WKSC in Chicago. He said that he can determine if a song is going to be hit by the time it gets to the bridge, and he defined a "hit" as a song that "will get a limo full of 21 yr. old girls screaming as they head downtown to party." I may not have the quote exactly right, but that's how I remember it.
Adam stated in a radio interview (it was posted here, I watched it) that his demo was a part of the radio politics he is facing. He said, "my demo" when he was asked specifically about radio playing/adding his songs.
Stefano's song is not doing great. I don't think we are looking at a hit, here. And yes, he has the same demo problems as Adam. He is the last person I would be concerned about. He will fade out before he even gets as far as that guy Chris Rene.
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 15:36:24 GMT -5
What Stefano has going for him is the fact that he is "boy band" young and apparently has some kind of rap collaboration on his song. And, while he is off AI, I doubt the majority of people even know this. Even having said this, I don't see his song doing a whole lot more on CHR. It is just not going to go anywhere. It is troubling that an entirely CHR-friendly song written by Bruno is struggling. Because that would seem to indicate that the "problem" is Adam, whether it is his perceived undesireable-for-pop-radio fanbase or a general failure to connect with the mainstream. But, this is where if Adam is valuable to RCA, and the label sees his potential (which is huge, imo), they will look at new strategies and do some thinking "outside the box" to break him through. Or, they will concentrate Internationally, where his fanbase appears to be much younger and the Idol stigma not as strong. I wouldn't count Stefano out yet. Fact is if radio wants him to have a hit, they would give him one. They just have to spin him enough to get that - Orianthi anyone? They pushed and pushed that song to top 3 AirPlay until it sold those 1m downloads! So I am keeping an eye on the song. Secondly, I wouldn't be quick to conclude Adam is not connecting with the mainstream audience. The very conservative part of that audience chose him as the 2nd man standing in a competition that had other conservative options. His singles and albums have been doing better than the perceived mainstream preferences. Lastly his currents song are being played mostly at nights when the least audience are awake - meaning his songs have just not saturated unto the mainstream consciousness. So how would anyone conclude he is not connecting with them? I forgot to say his album has been slogging along and selling better than some of the artists on radio 24 7. I recently read TRAIN opened with 76,000 albums for all those AirPlay for example. |
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