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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 15:39:27 GMT -5
gbam said: Adam therefor is the only one enjoying label support and push that radio just isn't biting. It shows to tell that it is just the person singing not the songs or label that are the problems Wow, this is beyond depressing because if this is the case, there doesn't seem much we or RCA can do about it. He is what he is, a gay Idol alum. I am feeling pretty hopeless. Still have some hope for UK though because of Queen and their more liberal society in general. Actually, it's not true. Only 2 artists in the Top 20 are RCA artists, Rhianna and Usher. Here's a Top 20 breakdown. 8 of the Top 20 are women. 2 of those songs are by Katy Perry. There are 2 songs by the same group, 1D. The only other solo guy in the Top 20 is Beiber. And everything else is collabs. Yes, Sammy Adams is getting a big push and is rising fast (#36) but his song (like Stefano's) is very urban leaning and stations like KISS LA will pick those up, whereas urban leaning stations are slower to pick up songs like NCOE. As a matter of fact, KISS LA didn't add Kelly's Stronger until the week it hit #1 on Billboard! Crazy! There really is no other solo male in the Top 40, besides Beiber, that is not Rap or very urban. Maybe Adam's radio problem is that he's a solo white Pop guy that does not do rap or urban leaning songs? ETA: Nicki Miaj is not older than Adam. She won't be 30 until December so she is almost a year younger. But not splitting hairs here, her style of music is rap and urban right now. She is one of the only premiere females doing rap right now. |
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 22, 2012 15:43:04 GMT -5
"Connecting" on a reality TV show that runs 2x/wk for months is a heck of a lot easier than connecting in the mainstream music industry that is currently being overtaken by UK BoyBands and all the other young UK pop acts they are bringing along with them (Cher Lloyd, Oly Murs, Ed Sheeran, etc., etc.)
And I didn't say that Adam wasn't connecting, just that this is something that has to be considered when album and single sales are minimal and radio play is poor.
About Niki Minaj---she is not just breaking now. There was big buzz about her 2 yrs. ago.
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 15:48:09 GMT -5
OK, I will rephrase it, age is an issue if you are a white male trying to establish yourself in pop music. I read an article a while ago---it was an interview/ Q&A with the guy who is (or was, not sure) the PD at WKSC in Chicago. He said that he can determine if a song is going to be hit by the time it gets to the bridge, and he defined a "hit" as a song that "will get a limo full of 21 yr. old girls screaming as they head downtown to party." I may not have the quote exactly right, but that's how I remember it. Adam stated in a radio interview (it was posted here, I watched it) that his demo was a part of the radio politics he is facing. He said, "my demo" when he was asked specifically about radio playing/adding his songs. Stefano's song is not doing great. I don't think we are looking at a hit, here. And yes, he has the same demo problems as Adam. He is the last person I would be concerned about. He will fade out before he even gets as far as that guy Chris Rene. Well all the male examples I gave are all white guys in POP with the exception of K'NAAN. I watched that interview too and I do not remember Adam saying my demo. When someone asked him what part of the biz he was newly discovering or something like that. He said radio and that there are so many things he did not know before that he was just discovering. And that radio play is not about my best artist has a new song out that I would request to get onto air, but it is more than that I.e. it involves demo, Politics etc., and is never about the quality of the song. I thought he was giving a general answer here as I did not hear him personalize Anything. Who knows if someone with that radio tour interview can repost it for us again? |
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 22, 2012 15:51:23 GMT -5
He definitely said "my demo." This may have been in Tennessee (Nashville?). It was the Q&A where he looked right at some radio staff sitting there and said, "You know what I mean." I have no idea how to dig it up, though.
gbam, I think we may be talking about two different interview/ Q&A things.
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Post by gelly14 on Jun 22, 2012 15:58:34 GMT -5
Adam never said "my demo"
I agree with gbam his answer was a general one about what it needs someone to have in order to be played on the radio.
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 16:03:58 GMT -5
gbam said: Adam therefore is the only one enjoying label support and push that radio just isn't biting. It shows to tell that it is just the person singing not the songs or label that are the problems Wow, this is beyond depressing because if this is the case, there doesn't seem much we or RCA can do about it. He is what he is, a gay Idol alum. I am feeling pretty hopeless. Still have some hope for UK though because of Queen and their more liberal society in general. Actually, it's not true. Only 2 artists in the Top 20 are RCA artists, Rhianna and Usher. Here's a Top 20 breakdown. 8 of the Top 20 are women. 2 of those songs are by Katy Perry. There are 2 songs by the same group, 1D. The only other solo guy in the Top 20 is Beiber. And everything else is collabs. Yes, Sammy Adams is getting a big push and is rising fast (#36) but his song (like Stefano's) is very urban leaning and stations like KISS LA will pick those up, whereas urban leaning stations are slower to pick up songs like NCOE. As a matter of fact, KISS LA didn't add Kelly's Stronger until the week it hit #1 on Billboard! Crazy! There really is no other solo male in the Top 40, besides Beiber, that is not Rap or very urban. Maybe Adam's radio problem is that he's a solo white Pop guy that does not do rap or urban leaning songs? ETA: Nicki Miaj is not older than Adam. She won't be 30 until December so she is almost a year younger. But not splitting hairs here, her style of music is rap and urban right now. She is one of the only premiere females doing rap right now. You are right about Minaj's age, but my main point stands which is to she is not a teen act and she came on the radio much after Adam. And I do not think Rihanna is RCA. Like you said about 'Stronger', it hit no.1 despite KISS LA not adding the song because enough stations added and supported that song which are not like KISS LA. What this tells me is, there are enough non-urban stations out there that can support Adam too if they are willing to spin him and let him have a hit. If only the few stations that have added are spinning him more and not giving him the 'lip service' kind of 7 or 9 spins a week that they are doing, he would be charting and climbing up too. He has enough to make him chart since Sirius is already covering like almost 40% of the whole equation anyway. I have also read it on Pulse about how Jay Z once had a no.1 Pop hit despite the Cummulus Stations blacklisting him at that very point. There are always enough stations to make a song a hit so long they are willing to support and spin it. Most of Kelly's top 10 hits are gotten without Kiss LA. I see a lot of RCA on CHR including: Chris Brown, usher, pitbull, Kelly etc. I am sure there are more since I do not know the labels of all the charting acts. I also see different types of song genres from alternative, rap, urban, pop, teen pop and even rock on CHR. It is opened to all genres considering this. I have the CHR pulse update opened in front of me in case you were wondering where I was seeing them. NB: and I wonder why peeps keep focussing on top 20 pop? I reference top 40 and I am often replied with top 20. There are more than 20 songs on CHR. Our mood would be different now if Adam was even charting top50! |
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 22, 2012 16:15:54 GMT -5
Thanks gelly but I don't think that's the one I was thinking of---maybe if I have time later I will search around
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 16:20:49 GMT -5
"Connecting" on a reality TV show that runs 2x/wk for months is a heck of a lot easier than connecting in the mainstream music industry that is currently being overtaken by UK BoyBands and all the other young UK pop acts they are bringing along with them (Cher Lloyd, Oly Murs, Ed Sheeran, etc., etc.) And I didn't say that Adam wasn't connecting, just that this is something that has to be considered when album and single sales are minimal and radio play is poor. About Niki Minaj---she is not just breaking now. There was big buzz about her 2 yrs. ago. But problem is no artists except the very established ones sell without radio. Let us consider some perspectives here. I just sited the example of TRAIN and their album nos. usher that gets played in multiple radio formats - rhythmic, urban, urban ac, pop, and maybe HAC too just opened with 124000 albums. This person has a combined listening audience of over 150m between his two songs ( climax and scream on the radio) have been exposed to since the beginning of this year and still sold that. Adam in comparison has had his two singles exposed to less than 8m in total and sold what he did. So how can you say he is not connecting when he does not have a listening audience yet? If you are saying exposure on Idol = sales. I see that exposure then as = promotion. Problem is he is yet to have that kind of promotion now, not with tv appearances like Idol gave neither with radio which is just not playing his singles. No way would he sell well without radio, so I wouldn't condem his sale. If he was selling this low with AirPlay and promotion, then I would be worried he wasn't just connecting as we then would have gotten a prove. About Nicki, she came after Adam on the radio and is not a teenager is the point I was trying to make. And I sited other examples of artists radio made happen even though they did not start out as teens on it like K'NAAN, and co. And if we are talking just about buzz, Adam also had loads of it 3 years ago and still currently has more than some of the people charting like Stefano for example. |
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 16:30:23 GMT -5
He definitely said "my demo." This may have been in Tennessee (Nashville?). It was the Q&A where he looked right at some radio staff sitting there and said, "You know what I mean." I have no idea how to dig it up, though. gbam, I think we may be talking about two different interview/ Q&A things. Then it is the same interview we are talking about, but I did not hear 'my demo'. |
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Post by gbam on Jun 22, 2012 16:33:21 GMT -5
Adam never said "my demo" I agree with gbam his answer was a general one about what it needs someone to have in order to be played on the radio. You are the SAVIOUR of this discussion. Thanks for supplying this very useful evidence!  |
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