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Post by gbam on Jun 23, 2012 1:31:10 GMT -5
Q102 is increasing spins !!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!! Hopefully like Adam is fighting and breaking down barriers, we as fans will preservere(sp), and have his back until we overcome this together! |
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Post by gbam on Jun 23, 2012 2:33:46 GMT -5
I see a lot of RCA on CHR including: Chris Brown, usher, pitbull, Kelly etc. I am sure there are more since I do not know the labels of all the charting acts. Not in the Top 20. The two RCA artists in the top 20 are Usher and Rihanna, just like mys*&@^#r said. There still aren't many white guys doing straight up Pop songs. There are a lot of teen type groups, black guys that lean urban or R&B, and collabs with Pop guys, but very few Pop songs from white males. Once again, because these are the songs that have made it on Pop radio. They are the songs that are being played on the big stations during drive times and daytime hours. The top 20 are the songs that everyone, who listens to Pop radio, knows and can sing along to. Unless those songs have huge bullets and are on their way to the top 20 or they are on their way down from the top 20, chances are that a large majority of Pop radio listeners will never hear the songs at #21-40! It's just the way it is. I see a lot of RCA on CHR including: Chris Brown, usher, pitbull, Kelly etc. I am sure there are more since I do not know the labels of all the charting acts. Not in the Top 20. The two RCA artists in the top 20 are Usher and Rihanna, just like mys*&@^#r said. There still aren't many white guys doing straight up Pop songs. There are a lot of teen type groups, black guys that lean urban or R&B, and collabs with Pop guys, but very few Pop songs from white males. There might indeed not be many of them, I see diverse kind of artists from all genres there instead. It would be therefore very strange to me if the sole genre they don't want on the chart is white guys doing POP. All the songs charting on POP 40 have made it on POP radio. In some instance the bigger stations are even the very ones to add the under top 50 songs first eg Olly Murs' one. They play them during prime times too and push them enough till other smaller stations hop on board. I do not believe only the top 20 songs get heard at prime times on the radio. No, a lot of them even have greater bullets and are fast racing over the other songs on the chart. Songs can be heard most at any position on the chart depending on how serious radio intends them to climb and spin them. |
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Post by evamaria on Jun 23, 2012 14:05:34 GMT -5
Unless those songs have huge bullets and are on their way to the top 20 or they are on their way down from the top 20, chances are that a large majority of Pop radio listeners will never hear the songs at #21-40! It's just the way it is. It's all audience impression, right? Most songs will pass through the 40s on their way up, and all will move back through the 40s on their way down, but if a song lingers in the 40s, it won't get the audience impression it needs to sell, as it won't be heard by enough people. I think you need an ai of 10 million for sales, and in order to reach that and more, a song needs to move up. btikm made it to 17 on hac w/out seeing improved sales, as 17 on hac just doesn't provide the ai needed. Reaching top 40 alone is no guarantee of success. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2012 15:29:25 GMT -5
Unless those songs have huge bullets and are on their way to the top 20 or they are on their way down from the top 20, chances are that a large majority of Pop radio listeners will never hear the songs at #21-40! It's just the way it is. It's all audience impression, right? Most songs will pass through the 40s on their way up, and all will move back through the 40s on their way down, but if a song lingers in the 40s, it won't get the audience impression it needs to sell, as it won't be heard by enough people. I think you need an ai of 10 million for sales, and in order to reach that and more, a song needs to move up. btikm made it to 17 on hac w/out seeing improved sales, as 17 on hac just doesn't provide the ai needed. Reaching top 40 alone is no guarantee of success. The 10 million is an approximation that seems to be true most of the time. Using today's Top 40 chart, you don't reach 10 million until #29. |
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 24, 2012 14:04:57 GMT -5
Unless those songs have huge bullets and are on their way to the top 20 or they are on their way down from the top 20, chances are that a large majority of Pop radio listeners will never hear the songs at #21-40! It's just the way it is. It's all audience impression, right? Most songs will pass through the 40s on their way up, and all will move back through the 40s on their way down, but if a song lingers in the 40s, it won't get the audience impression it needs to sell, as it won't be heard by enough people. I think you need an ai of 10 million for sales, and in order to reach that and more, a song needs to move up. btikm made it to 17 on hac w/out seeing improved sales, as 17 on hac just doesn't provide the ai needed. Reaching top 40 alone is no guarantee of success. Sort of. Many songs move up into the top 40 and never get to the top 20, meaning they aren't getting airplay on the biggest stations during the best times of the day. Last night I was looking on Pulse at the Top 40 in early April to see how quickly Call Me Maybe jumped up the charts. The top 20 songs were songs I had heard of and heard at some point on the radio. Out of the songs listed from #21-#40, there were 12 that never made it to the top 20. Getting into the Top 40 is good, but it doesn't mean the song is on its way to the top. It can just as easily stall and fall out of the top 40 as it can move up the chart. There are songs coming from nowhere every week that will leap right over the songs stuck in the bottom 20. For the most part, if a song makes it to the top 25 with a HEALTHY bullet, it will be moving on up the chart. The #26-#40 spots are tricky, especially if the song doesn't have a good bullet. |
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Post by lambo on Jun 24, 2012 18:44:11 GMT -5
Am I the only one who really does not like Kickin' In and Shady live?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2012 19:43:07 GMT -5
Am I the only one who really does not like Kickin' In and Shady live? Yes :D Are you just trying to shock this conversation dead ( can I say this, do you catch my drift?) or do you really think that?  |
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Post by lambo on Jun 24, 2012 20:11:45 GMT -5
I really think that  I'm trying to enjoy them I really am but Kickin' In sounds like a different song without the wacky MJ-ish fun of the studio version and Shady loses all its cojones and the chords are different and I'm just like why would you do that why make it stop why why hold me  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2012 7:43:46 GMT -5
Contradiction: 1. Why do some people say radio doesn't play Adam more because, among other things, he came from Idol while some people say that WWFM or IIHY got (and still get somewhere) more spins or that he sold more concert tickets then because he came from Idol? Does the Idol background hurt him at certain aspects and is beneficial at others? Absurdity: 2. If Adam's demo is one of the reasons for poor radio play, and he knows/thinks that, how come he doesn't try to change that, but, on the contrary, he wears suits ( not always, but definitely more often - and he looks absolutely amazing!), points/touches his crotch, says stuff like 'This is a family show, motherfuckers' ( ilhsfm<333) ... He doesn't seem to want to change that perception. Although I do think he has a very diverse fanbase, which consists of the young and the old equally... He has some very loyal and supportive fans among the older demographic and this repetitive talk how radio won't play Adam because of them is just not fair... Not to mention that it's discriminatory. And disrespectful. I have to say it is not the case in other cultures. Some nations hold their senior citizens in highest regard, appreciate their opinions... I'm so happy because Adam doesn't do that, discriminate, because he is a very ardent fighter against it himself. And because he doesn't look everything through the buck. Don't worry, be happy: )) 3. If it is a fact that NCOE won't get better chart positions, isn't it true then that the whole idea that he cannot release the third single is bad because he has repeated on several occasions that he's looking forward to it and even has ideas what it might be? For sure we cannot presume that he is unaware of the current radio situation. He has plans obviously. He either has a very strong support from RCA who already promised him the third single regardless of the situation or he has ideas how to promote NCOE more and increase the spins... If RCA wants to release the third single and that is so unusual after two flops, is it because: A) they are aware they have caused a serious blunder by making bad singles' choices ( it's their fault!  and they are making up for it? B) they think Trespassing and Adam deserve it? C) both? D) neither? Hypocrisy: 4. His fans worry so much over the lack of radio spins and then a certain radio station says they don't play NCOE because of the poor request ( it was posted on yesterday's thread, I think) ? Is it possible that there are fans who are capable of spending their time at forums, discuss at length the situation, seem to be very involved and then they are the very ones who DON'T request? Are there people who claim to be fans and get involved in heated discussions ( looking for validation, killing time, whatever...), but they do not do the basics: buy his album/songs or request? |
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 25, 2012 9:16:29 GMT -5
Well, I don't think the spins for WWFM and IIHY were due to Idol. They happened because RCA made some serious deals and got Z100 on board early. The song got quality spins, and people connected (it also got a lot of TV exposure). Being right off Idol DID help with huge album sales initially and probably helped with his tour.
In terms of the demo issue, Adam is smart. He doesn't want to lose the fans he has, he simply wants to add to it. Everyone off AI has a LARGE amount of older fans---it's the demo of the show. I was a Cook fan for a little bit. David really tried to "change" his demo, and I think it hurt him in the long run. But, I understood what he was trying to do. Some of his fans were really ticked-off when his first tour was to colleges, many spots requiring that you be a student to attend. Adam gets asked about his older fans a ton. It is mentioned (joked about) in so many interviews. I think he made the decision to embrace this aspect of his fandom while still hoping to bring in younger, CHR listeners.
If RCA releases a third single, it will either be a case (imo) of them throwing it out there to appease fans and Adam; or, it will be with a brand-new startegy that does not depend on radio.
Finally, continue to request, but know that "not enough requests" is the #1 excuse a station will use to explain to fans why they are not playing a song.
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and they are making up for it? B) they think Trespassing and Adam deserve it? C) both? D) neither?