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Post by jean1010 on Jun 25, 2012 17:02:57 GMT -5
Tigerlily, Your are right. I never thought of it that way before and will be more careful in the future. I usually try to be very positive on MJs because I think that site gets a good amount of hits and I want Adam to have a lot of positive posts there.
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 25, 2012 17:10:22 GMT -5
So, do you guys think we will start to get some "Queen press" in the next week or two? I was really optimistic a few months ago---I thought for sure something like this would at least get an article in RS. Now, I'm not so sure. Maybe it's too soon?
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Post by holly on Jun 25, 2012 22:52:25 GMT -5
This post is probably too long! My apologies. I don't have time to post more frequently or to come back very often, so feel free to scroll. Contradiction: Hypocrisy: 4. His fans worry so much over the lack of radio spins and then a certain radio station says they don't play NCOE because of the poor request ( it was posted on yesterday's thread, I think) ? Is it possible that there are fans who are capable of spending their time at forums, discuss at length the situation, seem to be very involved and then they are the very ones who DON'T request? Are there people who claim to be fans and get involved in heated discussions ( looking for validation, killing time, whatever...), but they do not do the basics: buy his album/songs or request? I'm quite sure there are many fans who are involved in message boards/communities who never request or even buy a cd, because their goal is social interaction and personal validation. Stanning Adam is just a vehicle for achieving those goals. However, I think most fans of ANY artist never call a radio station and I think the stats are something like 85% of all non-country music is illegally downloaded. I doubt the stats on Adam's fans would show LESS requesting or legal sales than other non-country artists. I do think there are fans who used to be more involved in promoting and supporting Adam's work than they are today. The investment fans had in Adam coming off of Idol as FYE was released, especially after the backlash from the AMAs, is much greater than it is right now. I'd argue that the AMAs and losing to NAL helped mobilized his fanbase in ways they might not otherwise have been (and made blatant homophobia more unacceptable than it is right now). As an example, I knew plenty of serious fans who were not fond of WWFM, but who requested the hell out of it largely due to their anger over the AMA backlash as much as out of their desire to see Adam succeed. I knew fans of all ages who'd never requested a song in their lives who requested WWFM. They have not been requesting BTIKM or NCOE because they're not fond of either of those songs and they feel a little burnt out about being told to request singles they don't like. Without an external rallying cry, as it were, they have no incentive to request a song they don't care for. That's reality -- people don't request songs they don't like. Another reality is that getting people to do something -- even request a song they DO like -- sometimes requires more incentive than, "I like that song." I also know some formerly serious fans who have over time backed away from requesting and voting, etc because of a variety of fandom issues that have made the fandom less enjoyable. Music, entertainment is about pleasure and if you're not getting it, naturally you back away. I know people who got disgusted with RCA ED on AO or who can't stand radio attitudes or who've left in disgust after reading one too many times that they're old and unwanted in some way; you simply cannot expect to tell people to go away or treat them with disrespect and yet also expect them to promote. Human nature is such that when you tell them to go home, they're going to take their toys with them. If you're going to excise a demographic, you'd better have a replacement bubbling up. As I noted in an earlier post my niece is in that coveted teen/YA demo and many of her friends were Adam fans and only she even knew he had a new cd out, let alone that there was a 2nd single. The marketing/promo has not reached that coveted demographic. I was actually thinking about this issue last week when I was at a going-out-of-business sale for a company that sold religious supplies. (Don't even ask.) A year ago, the owner made a decision that although he'd been in business for 30 years supplying to both Heffalumps and Woozles, his personal principles were such that he did not feel comfortable supplying to Woozles any more and got rid of all Woozles stock. He did not do a study to ascertain if there were enough Heffalumps to keep him in business and/or how he might snag more Heffalump business. He just got rid of the Woozles. And so a year later, a 30 year old business is gone because he excised one demographic but did not increase sales in the other (or retool his store into a smaller business). I also think the total number of fans has undoubtedly gone down. Adam is in artist, but he is in, after all, the entertainment business -- you have to keep entertaining people and you have to do it when they want it. Two and a half years between cd drops is an eternity. Someone who was in the entertainment industry for decades once told me, "When you get down to it, the critical factor in this biz is timing. From how an actor reads their line to how a singer pauses for a breath or holds a note to when you market a new show... the make or break factor is timing." I do think timing played a role, plus I think there are additional factors. The delay in getting new music (which included release dates that came and went); Idol-based fans moving on; the Beg for Money/Monte fiasco; what some fans feel is the mainstreaming or neutralizing of Adam's look and his music (in the form of BTIKM and NCOE) to garner broader radio support which hasn't seemed to happen; a first single that seemed to fall flat with a portion of the diehard fanbase in an oddly timed and then seemingly botched release, immediately followed by the Finland incident... Keep in mind that if you are a casual fan, you probably heard nothing about new music until his cd dropped. All of these issues are quite possibly have caused discouragement and/or disinterest, especially in more casual fans. But that's all water under the bridge, IMO. The key question NOW is how to reignite interest in previous fans and gain new fans. I think the answer lies in creative, out-of-the-box marketing and cross promotion.
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 25, 2012 23:31:08 GMT -5
Eh, all this is standard operating procedure in the Idol bubble. Coming off of the show, the extremely popular Idols have huge connected fanbases. Three years later, a large majority of those fans have moved on to other things. Life, it happens.
The key is to continue to bring new fans in all along the way. Adam worked towards this last album era and continues to do the same this era. I really don't know how much else he could do.
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 26, 2012 6:23:30 GMT -5
I agree, Tigerlily. History has shown that EVERY person off AI loses a huge chunk of their fanbase by album two. People either move on, or are simply much less invested. The hope is that the artist can break out of the Idol bubble and gain new fans to counter this. Gaining new (and younger) fans is proving to be a challenge for all of them---especially when radio no longer seems to want to cooperate with reality show alums.
I think Adam is doing the best he can.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 8:12:00 GMT -5
I completely agree about the importance of timing, especially now when Trespassing hit #1 on Billboard list mainly due to good timing.
But, in this time of Internet, has it lost its relevance in a way?
My case can be a good example. WWFM got me interested. I heard it on MTV. That happened in August, 2011. The first thing I bumped into when I searched him on Youtube was, thank god, the VH1 unplugged performance of DTRH. I was gone, baby, gone. I played it so much that my son, 9, knew it by heart although he doesn't speak English.
My journey along this Adam path wasn't chronological, that's what I want to say. In my world, WWFM and FYE happened before Idol, GNT got devoured before Idol Tour. Until I caught up.
I agree Adam's doing the best he can. I wouldn't know what he has to do to get new fans. One Youtube clip, filmed a long time ago, was quite enough for me.
He probably did lose a number of fans who moved on after Idol, but as you can see, he's recruiting new ones. Slowly, but surely. Also, I have a feeling that, although there are other artists whose fanbases outnumber Adam's, few can match his in intensity and loyalty.
That's how he wins those polls even though he competes with people who have much more twitter followers, if that number is an indication. That sexiest man in music BB poll, for example.
So, he either has very dedicated fans who keep voting, or he has a decent number of closeted fans who don't want to out themselves as Adam fans but they voted. Or the fact that he is the sexiest man is so obvious and undeniable, that even total bystanders voted.
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Post by lynne on Jun 26, 2012 10:59:29 GMT -5
AlexandraKv I'm so glad you came across DTRH!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 12:54:32 GMT -5
Fans not requesting a song of a man they are a fan of, because they don't like the song or wanted a different song boggles my mind. Don't know if I would call them fans. BTIKM and NCOE are my 2 least favorite songs on the album. But I want Adam to succeed and am smart enough to know he needs a successful single right now. If that means I have to request NCOE, then that is what I'll do! Adam embraces his varied demographic, so I don't who you are referring to here, holly.
Huh? :-/
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Post by sage on Jun 26, 2012 16:13:22 GMT -5
Fans not requesting a song of a man they are a fan of, because they don't like the song or wanted a different song boggles my mind. Don't know if I would call them fans. BTIKM and NCOE are my 2 least favorite songs on the album. But I want Adam to succeed and am smart enough to know he needs a successful single right now. If that means I have to request NCOE, then that is what I'll do! Adam embraces his varied demographic, so I don't who you are referring to here, holly. Huh? :-/ I can't speak for Holly, but the way I took it was primarily how radio has treated older fans who support Adam. Adam has never shunned his older fans and I don't believe he ever would. He appeciates fans of all ages. But there's no denying that various people in radio have made those comments. Even as recently as the DJ with SNOL humuliating that caller this past weekend when he guessed who she was calling to request cause she sounded "old." That person didn't want to call another station after that. But it's the sad truth with CHR radio. They want their listeners young. They're very obvious about that. I pretty much agree with everything Holly said. Some of it is not pretty but it's true. The part about the two single choices, I've seen too much evidence of it being true. Does it make people "bad fans"? No. But Holly is right. You can't keep throwing songs out there that so many fans just downright don't like. It has nothing to do with not liking, or loving, Adam. If it's something you truly don't enjoy, you're not going to throw yourself into helping to promote it, that's just natural. And when there were so many red flags around BOTH of those single choices and they went with them anyway? That's just stupid on RCA's part. If you're going to throw songs out there that so many fans were very verbal about disliking, then back it up by promoting those singles to a new audience. And there's no evidence that they've done that. They instead left the promotion up to the fans by asking them to call and request a song many of them hated. Radio shouldn't be this hard. Labels somehow are able to get artists on the radio who are virtual unknowns and there's no way the general public was previously swamping radio stations to request them. RCA, simply, has not been doing their job when it comes to US radio promotion. And speaking of Idols and their diminishin audiences over time, Jimmy Iovine already has Scotty McCreery in the studio working on his second album, which is supposed to come out later this year or first of next year. He's not letting him wait 2 1/2 years to get another album out, which is very smart. Only multi-platinum, multi-single hit artists can afford to wait that long between albums. Adam was not in that camp and that 2 1/2 year gap was way too long.
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