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Post by nica575 on Jul 16, 2012 23:14:46 GMT -5
I'd never argue against anything Adam has said he wants but disagree with the contention that being full out Zodiac Adam would have relegated him to niche-dom. No one knows what the results would have been. Hell, look at Gaga's act. As far as radio- IMO the old models have to change in order to accommodate new technology and Adam's being forced to find alternative ways of being heard may seem an obstacle in the short term while turning out to be a blessing over the long haul. Zodiac Adam was male, gay, into glam rock, and wanted flames shooting out of his head [img src=" ![]() i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx348/Quu3/Adam%20Smilys/Other%20Smileys/wub.gif"] [/IMG] That's the definition of a niche artist. Status quo is changing slowly. There is literally no viable alternative to radio today if the artist wants mainstream pop success. [/quote] The thing is though that somehow Adam's way to real stardom is going to be unique...it is unique already... it might take longer, it will break all kinds of "rules" but it will happen...sorry for expressing my gut feelings instead of any logically reasonable argument... swarm - it is so very hard to believe that people go to that length to harm... IDK who's fans they are but I wonder if they have energy left to support their "idol"... I never looked at amazon, but I was following the QOL threads the last few days, and my initial impression was and is "what a cesspool!"... now I start to understand some of the dynamics there... |
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Post by Buderschnookie on Jul 17, 2012 7:19:29 GMT -5
I disagree- mainstream pop has embraced meat dresses and whipped cream shooting out of boobs. I don't see a flaming headdress on a flaming gay man any differently- it is merely spectacle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 8:17:35 GMT -5
I disagree- mainstream pop has embraced meat dresses and whipped cream shooting out of boobs. I don't see a flaming headdress on a flaming gay man any differently- it is merely spectacle. I'm not sure where I stand on this. Personally, 'Zodiac Adam' is my heart's desire. Not sure how mainstream pop would embrace that, because he's male. Meat dresses and cream shooting boobs are done by ladies. For example, it is ok for a lady to dress up as a man: Julie Andrews did it, Lady Gaga did it, and there are probably more examples. No one finds anything disturbing in that. But when Queen did it, you said it yourself what happened. I'm not saying that Adam has plans to wear drag, it's just that I feel men are denied the same extent of the freedom of expression ladies have. I do feel though that Adam flirts with both sides. He is very open in his songs and concerts, but he cleans up his act for radio and tv. I'm not sure that's good. Some people argued that his singles would chart better if they hadn't been chosen from the few Adam-free ( you know, no Adam mojo), sterile songs . I don't know about that, radio game is, as it seems, an unfathomable bottomless pit, but I completely agree with Buderschnookie about FYE-Fever-boy/on/boy idea... Holy cow, how glorious it would be if radio refused to play Trespassing / Shady / Cuckoo singles.... I feel like fans would shred them to pieces, figuratively speaking. But since he gave them a 'safe' single and they refuse to play it, we're lost in the debates as to what their reasons are, the perpetual guessing games since we can never know for sure... That's why I don't like those singles' choices. They have taken away the clarity and the 'fair game' idea from me, the chance to use a bunch of fabulous arguments in my fight for the singles. Now I have a measly 'it's a good, safe' song whimper as opposed to the roar they would get if the singles were TP or Shady... Even if they flopped just as well, somehow it would feel better, like a fair, honest fight, more...dignified. So, I'm on Zodiac Adam team:) |
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Post by evamaria on Jul 17, 2012 10:09:51 GMT -5
I disagree- mainstream pop has embraced meat dresses and whipped cream shooting out of boobs. I don't see a flaming headdress on a flaming gay man any differently- it is merely spectacle. Our culture is homophobic and patriarchal. "Mainstream" is whatever a straight man finds sexy. Perry and Gaga can be mainstream despite their eccentricities because they fundamentally fit that ideal. Adam's flaming headdress and boy on boy sessions will not turn on straight men and can't be mainstreamed. This is simplistic but I think it has been true for two hundred years. Women are given more leeway in playing with and displaying their sexy, because it turns straight men on. |
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Post by luzrnaz on Jul 18, 2012 2:50:44 GMT -5
I disagree- mainstream pop has embraced meat dresses and whipped cream shooting out of boobs. I don't see a flaming headdress on a flaming gay man any differently- it is merely spectacle. Our culture is homophobic and patriarchal. "Mainstream" is whatever a straight man finds sexy. Perry and Gaga can be mainstream despite their eccentricities because they fundamentally fit that ideal. Adam's flaming headdress and boy on boy sessions will not turn on straight men and can't be mainstreamed. This is simplistic but I think it has been true for two hundred years. Women are given more leeway in playing with and displaying their sexy, because it turns straight men on.
[/b] Then how would you explain the ambiguous and blatant male sexuality that was displayed in the 70's and 80's? David Bowie in a dress? Guys with their bulges and tight pants, strumming their guitars in that certain way  . KISS and their makeup? (not sexy but not stereotype male). Jim Morrison? I grew up with that and believe it is part of my attraction to Adam. And later, the new wave pop of Thompson Twins, Culture Club, Prince! etc? Loved them all too! Women displaying aggressive sexuality is a relatively new thing that I think Madonna ushered in. I can only hope the pendulum will swing back and Adam can be a part of that. Many popular male artists today are bland, boring, or crass. |
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Post by JazzRocks on Jul 18, 2012 9:31:56 GMT -5
My only contribution to this particular discusion right now -
They weren't gay. Or if they were, nobody knew it.
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Post by JazzRocks on Jul 18, 2012 9:40:43 GMT -5
I came here because I saw swarm's post in News about the trolls on QOL & that hideous Durbin thread on Amazon.
This puzzles & disturbs me so much that I am almost incoherent on the subject. Who are these people who spend a great portion of their lives hating on one particular artist on the internet? And why wouldn't they be aware that using that time to support the artist they are actually fans of might actually HELP that performer more than hate spewed at someone else?
The only thing I can come up with is that these people are clinically insane. And that's not hyperbole. I really mean it - clinically insane.
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Post by nica575 on Jul 18, 2012 9:48:57 GMT -5
I came here because I saw swarm's post in News about the trolls on QOL & that hideous Durbin thread on Amazon.
This puzzles & disturbs me so much that I am almost incoherent on the subject. Who are these people who spend a great portion of their lives hating on one particular artist on the internet? And why wouldn't they be aware that using that time to support the artist they are actually fans of might actually HELP that performer more than hate spewed at someone else?
The only thing I can come up with is that these people are clinically insane. And that's not hyperbole. I really mean it - clinically insane. ...they must be sick... taking pleasure in hating for the sake of hating and in getting other people upset ON PURPOSE and enjoying the effects of their trolling points to a myriad of psychological problems... feel sorry for these poor souls... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 10:24:56 GMT -5
My only contribution to this particular discusion right now - They weren't gay. Or if they were, nobody knew it.David Bowie wasn't gay. He was a closeted heterosexual by his own admission. He declared himself as a bisexual only to challenge, to provoke, as with all the other stuff - make up, cross dressing... And provoke he did. Bowie's career has something I hope Adam is on his way of achieving - becoming a cultural phenomenon. No one in their right minds would bother to check and care about Bowie's chart positions. David Buckley ( his biographer) says of Bowie: "His influence has been unique in popular culture—he has permeated and altered more lives than any comparable figure." This is also quite interesting. His success happened in Europe , not America. Asked in 2002 by Blender whether he still believed his public declaration was the biggest mistake he ever made, he replied: Interesting. [Long pause] I don’t think it was a mistake in Europe, but it was a lot tougher in America. I had no problem with people knowing I was bisexual. But I had no inclination to hold any banners nor be a representative of any group of people. I knew what I wanted to be, which was a songwriter and a performer, and I felt that bisexuality became my headline over here for so long. America is a very puritanical place, and I think it stood in the way of so much I wanted to do.According to Buckley, he was "a taboo-breaker and a dabbler ... mined sexual intrigue for its ability to shock..." I think Bowie influence could be traced at the early stages of Adam's career. Not any more, though. Adam's path is solely his own right now. He exited Velvet Goldmine, metaphorically speaking, and entered the unknown. Who knows where he'll end up. He glammed up again for the Queen shows;) |
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Post by evamaria on Jul 18, 2012 11:08:20 GMT -5
Then how would you explain the ambiguous and blatant male sexuality that was displayed in the 70's and 80's? David Bowie in a dress? Guys with their bulges and tight pants, strumming their guitars in that certain way . KISS and their makeup? (not sexy but not stereotype male). Jim Morrison? I grew up with that and believe it is part of my attraction to Adam. And later, the new wave pop of Thompson Twins, Culture Club, Prince! etc? Loved them all too! Women displaying aggressive sexuality is a relatively new thing that I think Madonna ushered in. I can only hope the pendulum will swing back and Adam can be a part of that. Many popular male artists today are bland, boring, or crass. As I said my post was simplistic :D There are exceptions, like the '70s glam rock era. The relative freedom to display women's sexuality in art is the rule. Aggressive or passive, created by men or by women, female sexiness fits straight male sexual fantasy and becomes the norm. Take the AMAs (again!). JLo was aggressively sexual with her male dancers, and no one said a thing. How many straight men fantasize about JLo being aggressively sexual with them? Adam was also aggressively sexual with his male dancers, and lots of people said lots of things. How many straight men fantasize about Adam being aggressively sexual with them? Adam wants mainstream success. In the US, his path to mainstream success is a minefield. If he gives up his pursuit of the mainstream, I believe he'll take on a lot of things. Not now, though. Mainstream is still possible. |
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. KISS and their makeup? (not sexy but not stereotype male). Jim Morrison? I grew up with that and believe it is part of my attraction to Adam. And later, the new wave pop of Thompson Twins, Culture Club, Prince! etc? Loved them all too! 