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Post by evamaria on Sept 13, 2012 20:28:08 GMT -5
I am beginning to think of the Dark Side as my home away from home. I was surprised that Cook crashed and burned this era, though I really did not enjoy TLM. That Adam has come to a similar fate surprised me because Trespassing is such a strong album and he is so much more visible then Cook. Look at the number of video views and twitter followers, there is no comparison. I have been doing a small survey of people I know by asking them to name Idols and Adam is usually on the list, but few other are. The fact that he has enough reviews to get a Metacritic score whereas Cook didn't indicates that the industry see him as somewhat relevant in music. Another indication is that his name is often included in on line polls i.e. BB sexiest man in music. Also he can still nab good spots like PLL. Cook is far less visible. I am back to thinking radio reluctance was more of a problem for him than visibility. It's thoughtful not to inflict this on the regular thread ;D I don't follow Cook at all, so I've no clue, but Adam seems way more media savvy than he is. Radio was not reluctant to play wwfm, not even after a first single that had to be pulled because of homophobia, not even after the amas controversy, which also revolved around homophobia. Radio interest in Adam overcame all sorts of bigotry back then, and radio is conservative. I think they were interested because Adam had the benefit of idol association and idol promotion. He was huge back then. He is not as huge now. It's been over two years since iihy finished its run. There were no more singles, and only two high-profile news items, the Grammy nomination, nearly 18 months ago, and the VMAs, which were a surprise, and which were European. Queen concerts didn't happen till after album release, and they took place in the UK. Meanwhile, rca released btikm in the strangest way possible, stuck with it after everyone and their mother knew it wasn't working, and switched to ncoe after album release. What is most surprising is that we didn't expect the difficulties of this era. I'm literally praying for Trespassing. |
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Post by jean1010 on Sept 13, 2012 21:49:02 GMT -5
I am sending out good vibes for the album. I think it is just fabulous, and have not given up hope for it. I agree that RCA could have done much better with the release and the choice of the singles was unfortunate. They should have gone with one of Adam's songs. One reason I keep bringing up radio is that I read someplace in my travels on the web that Clear Channel has a different and more conservative board than during FYE era. I do not know if this is true, but it has colored my perception. I think Trespassing and the radio edit are completely addicting and if given half a chance could be a big hit.
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Post by nica575 on Sept 14, 2012 8:03:16 GMT -5
I am beginning to think of the Dark Side as my home away from home. I was surprised that Cook crashed and burned this era, though I really did not enjoy TLM. That Adam has come to a similar fate surprised me because Trespassing is such a strong album and he is so much more visible then Cook. Look at the number of video views and twitter followers, there is no comparison. I have been doing a small survey of people I know by asking them to name Idols and Adam is usually on the list, but few other are. The fact that he has enough reviews to get a Metacritic score whereas Cook didn't indicates that the industry see him as somewhat relevant in music. Another indication is that his name is often included in on line polls i.e. BB sexiest man in music. Also he can still nab good spots like PLL. Cook is far less visible. I am back to thinking radio reluctance was more of a problem for him than visibility. honestly I think it is too early to use words "has come to a similar fate"...for your own sake - give him a chance. HE WILL WIN! |
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Post by melliemom on Sept 14, 2012 9:38:55 GMT -5
I am beginning to think of the Dark Side as my home away from home. I was surprised that Cook crashed and burned this era, though I really did not enjoy TLM. That Adam has come to a similar fate surprised me because Trespassing is such a strong album and he is so much more visible then Cook. Look at the number of video views and twitter followers, there is no comparison. I have been doing a small survey of people I know by asking them to name Idols and Adam is usually on the list, but few other are. The fact that he has enough reviews to get a Metacritic score whereas Cook didn't indicates that the industry see him as somewhat relevant in music. Another indication is that his name is often included in on line polls i.e. BB sexiest man in music. Also he can still nab good spots like PLL. Cook is far less visible. I am back to thinking radio reluctance was more of a problem for him than visibility. honestly I think it is too early to use words "has come to a similar fate"...for your own sake - give him a chance. HE WILL WIN! Doesn't support mean support? |
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Post by jean1010 on Sept 14, 2012 9:41:26 GMT -5
I am beginning to think of the Dark Side as my home away from home. I was surprised that Cook crashed and burned this era, though I really did not enjoy TLM. That Adam has come to a similar fate surprised me because Trespassing is such a strong album and he is so much more visible then Cook. Look at the number of video views and twitter followers, there is no comparison. I have been doing a small survey of people I know by asking them to name Idols and Adam is usually on the list, but few other are. The fact that he has enough reviews to get a Metacritic score whereas Cook didn't indicates that the industry see him as somewhat relevant in music. Another indication is that his name is often included in on line polls i.e. BB sexiest man in music. Also he can still nab good spots like PLL. Cook is far less visible. I am back to thinking radio reluctance was more of a problem for him than visibility. honestly I think it is too early to use words "has come to a similar fate"...for your own sake - give him a chance. HE WILL WIN! Oddly for me, I am pretty optimistic about Trespassing single. It just sounds so cool and unique on the radio. Looking at fan's videos for the contest, it seems like a lot of young people really relate to it. I think it has the capability of turning things around. I realize I do not have the appropriate personality to be a fan. Things have never rolled off by back easily, which is why I do a lot of my posting here instead of News Thread. |
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Post by evamaria on Sept 14, 2012 10:07:48 GMT -5
honestly I think it is too early to use words "has come to a similar fate"...for your own sake - give him a chance. HE WILL WIN! Clarkson and Underwood are idol's only two successful stars. Neither took as long between albums or experienced the long hiatus from radio that Cook and Adam did. Clarkson took less than two yrs between albums, got Breakaway on Disney's Princess Diaries four months before releasing her second album, which meant she had a hit on radio for that second album. Underwood took two years between albums, and in between had a consistent run of #1 country songs, some of which charted well in pop. Cook and Adam almost mirror one another. Both took under three years between albums. Both had two hits from their first album. Both experienced a long break from radio. Both chose to do a long tour between albums. Both released an hac single 3-4 months before the second album, and in both cases, the single went nowhere. Adam's advantage is that, thanks to smart timing, he got a historic number one out of that album. He is more media savvy than Cook is. His international appeal adds to his sales. I doubt that Adam will be dropped. Still, there is a strong parallel with Cook. |
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Post by durberville on Sept 14, 2012 12:36:41 GMT -5
Record sales do not define success.
Comparing Cook to Adam is almost ludicrous in my opinion. Adam is an International Star......
*head explodes....I can't even........arrrggggghhh
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Post by evamaria on Sept 14, 2012 12:59:38 GMT -5
Record sales do not define success. Comparing Cook to Adam is almost ludicrous in my opinion. Adam is an International Star...... *head explodes....I can't even........arrrggggghhh Sales define success for people who want to be pop stars. I don't follow Cook, so turned to wikipedia. There are strong parallels in timing and sales for both eras, in the US. I then watched him on youtube. There are no parallels in genre or presentation. |
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Post by tigerlily on Sept 14, 2012 13:08:04 GMT -5
I am beginning to think of the Dark Side as my home away from home. I was surprised that Cook crashed and burned this era, though I really did not enjoy TLM. That Adam has come to a similar fate surprised me because Trespassing is such a strong album and he is so much more visible then Cook. Look at the number of video views and twitter followers, there is no comparison. I have been doing a small survey of people I know by asking them to name Idols and Adam is usually on the list, but few other are. The fact that he has enough reviews to get a Metacritic score whereas Cook didn't indicates that the industry see him as somewhat relevant in music. Another indication is that his name is often included in on line polls i.e. BB sexiest man in music. Also he can still nab good spots like PLL. Cook is far less visible. I am back to thinking radio reluctance was more of a problem for him than visibility. honestly I think it is too early to use words "has come to a similar fate"...for your own sake - give him a chance. HE WILL WIN! Adam will win what? You keep saying this, but you never say what he will win. The Lottery? A new car?  Everyone is giving him a chance. Saying "he will win" over and over doesn't mean anything if we aren't sure what he is supposed to win. |
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Post by tigerlily on Sept 14, 2012 13:22:00 GMT -5
honestly I think it is too early to use words "has come to a similar fate"...for your own sake - give him a chance. HE WILL WIN! Clarkson and Underwood are idol's only two successful stars. Neither took as long between albums or experienced the long hiatus from radio that Cook and Adam did. Clarkson took less than two yrs between albums, got Breakaway on Disney's Princess Diaries four months before releasing her second album, which meant she had a hit on radio for that second album. Underwood took two years between albums, and in between had a consistent run of #1 country songs, some of which charted well in pop. Cook and Adam almost mirror one another. Both took under three years between albums. Both had two hits from their first album. Both experienced a long break from radio. Both chose to do a long tour between albums. Both released an hac single 3-4 months before the second album, and in both cases, the single went nowhere. Adam's advantage is that, thanks to smart timing, he got a historic number one out of that album. He is more media savvy than Cook is. His international appeal adds to his sales. I doubt that Adam will be dropped. Still, there is a strong parallel with Cook. There really isn't. No one, and I mean NO ONE gave a flying f*#k about Cook releasing his second CD. His sound was outdated and there had been two other WGWGs from Idol by the time he released his second CD. Basically, he lives his life as a hermit, and his on stage presentation is self absorbed and rather odd. He is just a pretty boring type guy who put out boring music. Kelly and Carrie were lucky enough to win Idol when the ratings were sky high and when it meant something to win the show. Kelly was the only one signed her season. Now, there are 4,5 or 6 contestants signed every season. They have continued to pump out the radio hits, but it did help them that they came before the burn out from the influx of singers from AI. Add in the X Factor and The Voice in the US and the X Factor UK artists, and you have major burn out when it comes to singing show contestants. Radio PDs are also pushing back in a big way, except for a few groups/artists from the UK. |
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