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Post by melliemom on Sept 14, 2012 13:37:16 GMT -5
honestly I think it is too early to use words "has come to a similar fate"...for your own sake - give him a chance. HE WILL WIN! Clarkson and Underwood are idol's only two successful stars. Neither took as long between albums or experienced the long hiatus from radio that Cook and Adam did. Clarkson took less than two yrs between albums, got Breakaway on Disney's Princess Diaries four months before releasing her second album, which meant she had a hit on radio for that second album. Underwood took two years between albums, and in between had a consistent run of #1 country songs, some of which charted well in pop. Cook and Adam almost mirror one another. Both took under three years between albums. Both had two hits from their first album. Both experienced a long break from radio. Both chose to do a long tour between albums. Both released an hac single 3-4 months before the second album, and in both cases, the single went nowhere. Adam's advantage is that, thanks to smart timing, he got a historic number one out of that album. He is more media savvy than Cook is. His international appeal adds to his sales. I doubt that Adam will be dropped. Still, there is a strong parallel with Cook. Life and show business aren't only about numbers. Adam is an International star,with the power to relate to people all over the world.His Vocals plus his charisma electrify his audiences,even in the countries that don't like diversity and have little freedom. We on Adamtopia are all fans, so Adam must be inspiring us,like he inspires many around the globe. I think patience is needed.. we need to talk in about ten years, Then we will really know just how important Adam has been to the entertainment world. |
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Post by evamaria on Sept 15, 2012 9:20:39 GMT -5
There really isn't. No one, and I mean NO ONE gave a flying f*#k about Cook releasing his second CD. His sound was outdated and there had been two other WGWGs from Idol by the time he released his second CD. Basically, he lives his life as a hermit, and his on stage presentation is self absorbed and rather odd. He is just a pretty boring type guy who put out boring music. Kelly and Carrie were lucky enough to win Idol when the ratings were sky high and when it meant something to win the show. Kelly was the only one signed her season. Now, there are 4,5 or 6 contestants signed every season. They have continued to pump out the radio hits, but it did help them that they came before the burn out from the influx of singers from AI. Add in the X Factor and The Voice in the US and the X Factor UK artists, and you have major burn out when it comes to singing show contestants. Radio PDs are also pushing back in a big way, except for a few groups/artists from the UK. I agree, there is NO resemblance between Adam and Cook. Adam is almost scary talented. He has oodles of presence and charisma. He knows what to do with the media. He is a far better songwriter. Cook is mediocre in every way (or he was on youtube) and he's not easy on the eyes. The sales, however, are similar. They don't reflect talent, savvy, sexiness, or song quality. I wish they did. |
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Post by tigerlily on Sept 15, 2012 11:39:42 GMT -5
There really isn't. No one, and I mean NO ONE gave a flying f*#k about Cook releasing his second CD. His sound was outdated and there had been two other WGWGs from Idol by the time he released his second CD. Basically, he lives his life as a hermit, and his on stage presentation is self absorbed and rather odd. He is just a pretty boring type guy who put out boring music. Kelly and Carrie were lucky enough to win Idol when the ratings were sky high and when it meant something to win the show. Kelly was the only one signed her season. Now, there are 4,5 or 6 contestants signed every season. They have continued to pump out the radio hits, but it did help them that they came before the burn out from the influx of singers from AI. Add in the X Factor and The Voice in the US and the X Factor UK artists, and you have major burn out when it comes to singing show contestants. Radio PDs are also pushing back in a big way, except for a few groups/artists from the UK. I agree, there is NO resemblance between Adam and Cook. Adam is almost scary talented. He has oodles of presence and charisma. He knows what to do with the media. He is a far better songwriter. Cook is mediocre in every way (or he was on youtube) and he's not easy on the eyes. The sales, however, are similar. They don't reflect talent, savvy, sexiness, or song quality. I wish they did. Cook's first week sales were half of what Adam's were. He dropped out of the BB200 in two or three weeks and he never had a single get close to even the top 30 on the US HAC charts, and no song charted outside of the US. He couldn't do a solo tour because he didn't have enough fans left to support a tour. Besides for the Philippines, his album didn't chart in any country outside of the US. |
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Post by evamaria on Sept 15, 2012 14:13:44 GMT -5
I agree, there is NO resemblance between Adam and Cook. Adam is almost scary talented. He has oodles of presence and charisma. He knows what to do with the media. He is a far better songwriter. Cook is mediocre in every way (or he was on youtube) and he's not easy on the eyes. The sales, however, are similar. They don't reflect talent, savvy, sexiness, or song quality. I wish they did. Cook's first week sales were half of what Adam's were. He dropped out of the BB200 in two or three weeks and he never had a single get close to even the top 30 on the US HAC charts, and no song charted outside of the US. He couldn't do a solo tour because he didn't have enough fans left to support a tour. Besides for the Philippines, his album didn't chart in any country outside of the US. WIKI: Cook's album sales now are 130,000. Cook released his album a year ago. If Adam sells 1000 albums per week, his sales in a year will equal 200,000. Adam is ahead of Cook, but neither number is great. Cook's sales for the first single are 45,000. Adam's sales for btikm could be as high as 120,000 a year from now. Again, Adam does better, but neither number is great. Neither man has a chance of reaching gold for album or either singles, and that similarity outweighs everything. Adam's second era has been as weak abroad as it was in the US. He'll get extra sales, but not enough to wipe out Cook as a comparison. The similarities are an over long hiatus between albums, no singles between albums, and long tours that drove both guys from the media. You can talk about the differences all you want. Both eras are failures. |
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Post by melliemom on Sept 15, 2012 14:47:54 GMT -5
Cook's first week sales were half of what Adam's were. He dropped out of the BB200 in two or three weeks and he never had a single get close to even the top 30 on the US HAC charts, and no song charted outside of the US. He couldn't do a solo tour because he didn't have enough fans left to support a tour. Besides for the Philippines, his album didn't chart in any country outside of the US. WIKI: Cook's album sales now are 130,000. Cook released his album a year ago. If Adam sells 1000 albums per week, his sales in a year will equal 200,000. Adam is ahead of Cook, but neither number is great. Cook's sales for the first single are 45,000. Adam's sales for btikm could be as high as 120,000 a year from now. Again, Adam does better, but neither number is great. Neither man has a chance of reaching gold for album or either singles, and that similarity outweighs everything. Adam's second era has been as weak abroad as it was in the US. He'll get extra sales, but not enough to wipe out Cook as a comparison. The similarities are an over long hiatus between albums, no singles between albums, and long tours that drove both guys from the media. You can talk about the differences all you want. Both eras are failures. Failure is in the mind of the beholder.Adam is world wide famous and has sold in many other countries.. It's not only about numbers as I said before. Fans don't usually think of the people they admire and follow as having an era that is a failure & Comparisons,in my mind, between artists is really unfair and negative.This may be the dark side but I don't remember it being the death of an era side. By the way,talking about numbers, how does one count an era..?Wouldn't you think an era is longer than a few months? There is no failure word in my vocabulary..I have lived long enough , to know that nothing is static. Life is full of ups and downs with lessons to be learned and life to be lived . Where is the failure in doing your best and enjoying your life?wouldn't you say Adam is doing all of the above? |
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Post by tigerlily on Sept 15, 2012 16:22:30 GMT -5
Cook's first week sales were half of what Adam's were. He dropped out of the BB200 in two or three weeks and he never had a single get close to even the top 30 on the US HAC charts, and no song charted outside of the US. He couldn't do a solo tour because he didn't have enough fans left to support a tour. Besides for the Philippines, his album didn't chart in any country outside of the US. WIKI: Cook's album sales now are 130,000. Cook released his album a year ago. If Adam sells 1000 albums per week, his sales in a year will equal 200,000. Adam is ahead of Cook, but neither number is great. Cook's sales for the first single are 45,000. Adam's sales for btikm could be as high as 120,000 a year from now. Again, Adam does better, but neither number is great. Neither man has a chance of reaching gold for album or either singles, and that similarity outweighs everything. Adam's second era has been as weak abroad as it was in the US. He'll get extra sales, but not enough to wipe out Cook as a comparison. The similarities are an over long hiatus between albums, no singles between albums, and long tours that drove both guys from the media. You can talk about the differences all you want. Both eras are failures. : 130K and no interest outside of the US, Zero interest from the media in the US, can't sell enough tickets to justify solo shows, No respect from the industry- they won't even review his album, magazines don't photograph or write articles about him Adam: -still has another single to promote and promo to do in many parts of the world -BB #1- ends up with 200K and the same amount from International sales= 400K -ends up with 2x as many singles sold as whatever the total is here in the US -interest from the media in the US and abroad -can still sell just as many (if not more) tickets to a solo show as someone like Kelly or Daughty -respect from the industry and the media- Adam is mentioned as a possible Idol judge and the media is overwhelmingly positive, not one artivle or publication gave a "WTF" response -shows like Project Runway, Fashion Police, 12 again and Pretty Little Liars want Adam to appear on their shows -magazines, from all over the world, want to photograph Adam and write articles about him, radio stations want him to come for interviews and radio shows -his side projects include singing with a little band named Queen  Cook's era is a failure, he was dropped because the record label saw no promise for bigger things in the future. Adam's era is not a failure. RCA has someone on their label that is known on a worldwide basis. Adam is different, interesting, exciting, and people around the world want to know more about him. He sings with Queen in front of 300,000 people. He's massively talented and they know that. The star power and potential is all there. If RCA is stupid enough to drop Adam, another major label will be at his door the next day. RCA knows this! You can talk about these two eras being similar all you want, but nothing could be farther from the truth. |
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Post by annietoo on Sept 15, 2012 16:40:26 GMT -5
WIKI: Cook's album sales now are 130,000. Cook released his album a year ago. If Adam sells 1000 albums per week, his sales in a year will equal 200,000. Adam is ahead of Cook, but neither number is great. Cook's sales for the first single are 45,000. Adam's sales for btikm could be as high as 120,000 a year from now. Again, Adam does better, but neither number is great. Neither man has a chance of reaching gold for album or either singles, and that similarity outweighs everything. Adam's second era has been as weak abroad as it was in the US. He'll get extra sales, but not enough to wipe out Cook as a comparison. The similarities are an over long hiatus between albums, no singles between albums, and long tours that drove both guys from the media. You can talk about the differences all you want. Both eras are failures. : 130K and no interest outside of the US, Zero interest from the media in the US, can't sell enough tickets to justify solo shows, No respect from the industry- they won't even review his album, magazines don't photograph or write articles about him Adam: -still has another single to promote and promo to do in many parts of the world -BB #1- ends up with 200K and the same amount from International sales= 400K -ends up with 2x as many singles sold as whatever the total is here in the US -interest from the media in the US and abroad -can still sell just as many (if not more) tickets to a solo show as someone like Kelly or Daughty -respect from the industry and the media -shows like Project Runway, Fashion Police, 12 again and Pretty Little Liars want Adam to appear on their shows -magazines, from all over the world, want to photograph Adam and write articles about him, radio stations want him to come for interviews and radio shows -his side project includes singing with a little band called Queen Cook's era is a failure, he was dropped because the record label saw no promise for bigger things in the future. Adam's era is not a failure. RCA has someone on their label that is known on a worldwide basis. Adam is different, interesting, exciting, and people around the world want to know more about him. He sings with Queen in front of 300,000 people. He's massively talented and they know that. The star power and potential is all there. If RCA is stupid enough to drop Adam, another major label will be at his door the next day. RCA knows this! I mostly lurk but I wanted to applaud this last response and add Cook did not produce current music on second era and had no more potential singles to offer whereas Adam supplied his label with a very current, excellent album with several great potential singles. I still think the label dropped the ball on choosing the initial singles. If they had started off with Trespassing I think we would have a completely different story right now. My hope is that they have realized this and are now willing to do this right and give the album the chance it deserves. They are going to have to start from square one so I only hope they have Adam's back and are willing to restart this era. They must know what they have in Adam and realize the only piece missing for Adam to explode is radio play, he has the material, the media presence, the worldwide fan base. The ball is in their court. |
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Post by jean1010 on Sept 15, 2012 17:16:40 GMT -5
WIKI: Cook's album sales now are 130,000. Cook released his album a year ago. If Adam sells 1000 albums per week, his sales in a year will equal 200,000. Adam is ahead of Cook, but neither number is great. Cook's sales for the first single are 45,000. Adam's sales for btikm could be as high as 120,000 a year from now. Again, Adam does better, but neither number is great. Neither man has a chance of reaching gold for album or either singles, and that similarity outweighs everything. Adam's second era has been as weak abroad as it was in the US. He'll get extra sales, but not enough to wipe out Cook as a comparison. The similarities are an over long hiatus between albums, no singles between albums, and long tours that drove both guys from the media. You can talk about the differences all you want. Both eras are failures. : 130K and no interest outside of the US, Zero interest from the media in the US, can't sell enough tickets to justify solo shows, No respect from the industry- they won't even review his album, magazines don't photograph or write articles about him Adam: -still has another single to promote and promo to do in many parts of the world -BB #1- ends up with 200K and the same amount from International sales= 400K -ends up with 2x as many singles sold as whatever the total is here in the US -interest from the media in the US and abroad -can still sell just as many (if not more) tickets to a solo show as someone like Kelly or Daughty -respect from the industry and the media- Adam is mentioned as a possible Idol judge and the media is overwhelmingly positive, not one artivle or publication gave a "WTF" response -shows like Project Runway, Fashion Police, 12 again and Pretty Little Liars want Adam to appear on their shows -magazines, from all over the world, want to photograph Adam and write articles about him, radio stations want him to come for interviews and radio shows -his side projects include singing with a little band named Queen Cook's era is a failure, he was dropped because the record label saw no promise for bigger things in the future. Adam's era is not a failure. RCA has someone on their label that is known on a worldwide basis. Adam is different, interesting, exciting, and people around the world want to know more about him. He sings with Queen in front of 300,000 people. He's massively talented and they know that. The star power and potential is all there. If RCA is stupid enough to drop Adam, another major label will be at his door the next day. RCA knows this! You can talk about these two eras being similar all you want, but nothing could be farther from the truth. I agree with everything you said. Adam is doing great in so many areas. Only thing lacking is radio support. I am very bullish on Trespassing breaking really well. After watching a bunch of the fan videos I realize just how much people love that song. They relate to the punched up attitude. It makes them feel cool to like it. All it needs is a chance to be heard and then watch it shine. |
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Post by JazzRocks on Sept 15, 2012 18:48:48 GMT -5
Tigerlily -  Having the Cook/Adam comparison listed point by point makes the differences in their respective careers thus far so clear. Thanks. I thought I was in the wrong thread for a moment. ;D
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Post by evamaria on Sept 17, 2012 11:16:56 GMT -5
WIKI: Cook's album sales now are 130,000. Cook released his album a year ago. If Adam sells 1000 albums per week, his sales in a year will equal 200,000. Adam is ahead of Cook, but neither number is great. Cook's sales for the first single are 45,000. Adam's sales for btikm could be as high as 120,000 a year from now. Again, Adam does better, but neither number is great. Neither man has a chance of reaching gold for album or either singles, and that similarity outweighs everything. Adam's second era has been as weak abroad as it was in the US. He'll get extra sales, but not enough to wipe out Cook as a comparison. The similarities are an over long hiatus between albums, no singles between albums, and long tours that drove both guys from the media. You can talk about the differences all you want. Both eras are failures. : 130K and no interest outside of the US, Zero interest from the media in the US, can't sell enough tickets to justify solo shows, No respect from the industry- they won't even review his album, magazines don't photograph or write articles about him Adam: -still has another single to promote and promo to do in many parts of the world -BB #1- ends up with 200K and the same amount from International sales= 400K -ends up with 2x as many singles sold as whatever the total is here in the US -interest from the media in the US and abroad -can still sell just as many (if not more) tickets to a solo show as someone like Kelly or Daughty -respect from the industry and the media- Adam is mentioned as a possible Idol judge and the media is overwhelmingly positive, not one artivle or publication gave a "WTF" response -shows like Project Runway, Fashion Police, 12 again and Pretty Little Liars want Adam to appear on their shows -magazines, from all over the world, want to photograph Adam and write articles about him, radio stations want him to come for interviews and radio shows -his side projects include singing with a little band named Queen Cook's era is a failure, he was dropped because the record label saw no promise for bigger things in the future. Adam's era is not a failure. RCA has someone on their label that is known on a worldwide basis. Adam is different, interesting, exciting, and people around the world want to know more about him. He sings with Queen in front of 300,000 people. He's massively talented and they know that. The star power and potential is all there. If RCA is stupid enough to drop Adam, another major label will be at his door the next day. RCA knows this! You can talk about these two eras being similar all you want, but nothing could be farther from the truth. I've already said that I didn't believe Adam would be dropped, for all the reasons you list. However, as you agree, US sales are comparable, with Adam ahead in ways that don't make a difference. Neither man will go gold with anything they have released in the US. What succeeds in the US is likely to succeed elsewhere; lack of sales here hurt performance elsewhere. I'm using "sales" like a mantra, because Adam wants to succeed in pop, and you must have sales for pop. If Trespassing does not succeed, Adam could consider other genres, other media. All of those opportunities are closed to Cook, which is one reason why they can't be compared in anything but SALES, IN THE US. |
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