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Post by lambo on Jun 16, 2012 12:34:03 GMT -5
It has a certain sophistication and is not suited for those 9 yr old girls who love CMM and Bieber. NOT that everyone who listens to pop radio lacks musical sophistication - not saying that at all. What? How is listening to Bieber or CMM less valid than listening to anyone else on the radio? Everyone listens to pop radio for the same reasons, to hear pop music that they'll enjoy. And Shady is a pop song, of course it belongs there!
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Post by nikki on Jun 16, 2012 12:43:09 GMT -5
Adam works so hard, but RCA has pursued the safe way of thinking. Reach in to Dr. Luke's big bag o'hits and pull one out. Make it a song by Bruno Mars, the Barry Manilow of the modern era. WTF. What the hell did any of it have to do with Adam Lambert. It just had to do with selling widgets. That's what Bruno and Luke do, sell widgets of music. Well, it turns out Adam isn't a very good widget salesman. I'm not even mad at radio in some ways. Radio sells widgets. Radio needs widget salesmen. Radio listeners want widgets for the car, widgets to play in the background while reading Danielle Steele. There has GOT to be a way to get Adam's music in front of people who actually like MUSIC, not widgets. People who don't just listen to music because it's boring and lonely and scary in the car, or fixing dinner while your kids scream and fight and your life circles the drain -- but people who like things that are awesome and offbeat. Time to tear up the rulebook!!! :-*YES Love it ;D I read this article today with the cheery little title Want a blockbuster, get to the science lab. Here's the text: UNLIKELY candidates for box office stardom, a team of Japanese physicists may soon be in high demand with moviemakers after devising a formula to predict how successful a film is likely to be.
The team from Tottori University devised a set of mathematical models that measure how much money was spent on advertising before a movie is released, over what period of time, and how much talk the film generated in social media.
Using the models, they predicted the popularity of a variety of blockbusters, including the Da Vinci Code, Spider Man 3 and Avatar, which they later compared to actual revenue generated.
"They appeared to match very well, meaning the calculations could provide a fairly good prediction of how successful a movie could be even before it is released," said a statement from the Institute of Physics, which published the paper in the Journal of Physics.
The team hopes to apply its model to other commercial markets such as online music, food snacks, soft drinks and event organising.
Lead author Akira Ishii told AFP a key benefit of the formula was that it enabled a company to determine the best time it should spend its advertising dollars.
"I think our model is very general. It will work in other countries as well," the physicist said, adding that he hoped to make the formula commercially available.Notice that there is no mention of the actual merit of the content ??? Widgets indeed. I can only image the types of "marketing" discussions that take place selecting a single already!
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Post by JazzRocks on Jun 16, 2012 13:47:59 GMT -5
It has a certain sophistication and is not suited for those 9 yr old girls who love CMM and Bieber. NOT that everyone who listens to pop radio lacks musical sophistication - not saying that at all. What? How is listening to Bieber or CMM less valid than listening to anyone else on the radio? Everyone listens to pop radio for the same reasons, to hear pop music that they'll enjoy. And Shady is a pop song, of course it belongs there! Haha I ducked your tomato! I don't think I said that - I hope I didn't. Imo Shady is not a song that would appeal to young girls - the ones that love Bieber. And I think that group would have to be on board for a smash CHR single, no? I HOPE I'm wrong! I'm sure lots of ppl other than young girls like Bieber but it's that group I was thinking of.
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Post by JazzRocks on Jun 16, 2012 13:52:36 GMT -5
Have nothing germane or even German to say, except I enjoy the deep, dark end so much. On a silly note, my brain always reads Olly Murs as OILY Murs, more of a Monty Python take--Life of Oily. The only thing that keeps coming to mind about Adam is something I pray for daily--patience. I'm hopeful that the snowball is gathering momentum to burst upon us--and I don't mean the snowball in hell! Carry on... Achtung! German but not germane. I do the very same thing with Olly Murs - always read it as "Oily".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2012 15:47:20 GMT -5
I can't believe you guys. I am sure there are tons of engineers, nuclear physicists, noted pediatricians, civil rights activists, trained classical musicians, and jazz buffs downloading Bieber's albums. C'mon on. Why wouldn't they? And tons of 9-year-olds ready to cast them aside for a funk-a-delic album about elemental sexual craving, long-sought love, and emotional pain. That was why my mom and I traded records when I was nine! She dug The Archies and I listened to Sinatra's For Losers Only. Ah, memories. #profilingisthenewtonguediving #getintoit #loveyouguys #realness
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Post by mszue on Jun 16, 2012 16:36:19 GMT -5
juniemoon.....
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Post by lynne on Jun 16, 2012 16:38:34 GMT -5
A world where all the music is created with the 9-14 year old girl in mind is not a world I see Adam living in for long, lol. Adam himself would quickly be bored with it and turn it into something else. I never listened to radio before Adam, and only care about it now for his sake. Sometimes I don't even care about it anyway. Adam is out there now. He is meeting more musicians and producers, young and established, and he has a loyal and reliable fan base that isn't going away. He is funny and sexy and charismatic and charming. He will keep getting opportunities. Look at what happened with Queen. I'm now inclined to just sit back and fully enjoy whatever he offers now and wait to see what interesting thing he does next. This radio era is NOT the thing that will make or break future Adam. It is just a particular bend in his journey. That doesn't mean I won't do everything I can do to support him in this bend. I will. I will happily follow Adam from bend to bend. 100% Naked Love.
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Post by lambo on Jun 16, 2012 16:50:08 GMT -5
What? How is listening to Bieber or CMM less valid than listening to anyone else on the radio? Everyone listens to pop radio for the same reasons, to hear pop music that they'll enjoy. And Shady is a pop song, of course it belongs there! Haha I ducked your tomato! I don't think I said that - I hope I didn't. Imo Shady is not a song that would appeal to young girls - the ones that love Bieber. And I think that group would have to be on board for a smash CHR single, no? I HOPE I'm wrong! I'm sure lots of ppl other than young girls like Bieber but it's that group I was thinking of. Pre-teen girls don't make or break CHR nor are they completely unlikely to like Shady based on other music they listen to, I'm a JB fan myself. You shouldn't judge them so quickly based on your dislike of Biebs + co. Give them a chance, feel the love!
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Post by lynne on Jun 16, 2012 17:08:54 GMT -5
I definitely have some teen girls students who like Adam. Some of my students ended up randomly right behind me at the Jimmy Kimmel show and some were behind me at Club Nokia. I will say that part of what they were liking about him wasn't necessarily US radio friendly, LOL.
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Jun 16, 2012 17:38:27 GMT -5
Hi Darkside! I've been lurking a little bit ever since searching for mika's and midwivespal's posts to see if I'd missed any words of wisdom from them and discovering the thread. I was interested to see how it would develop, (the interior design is a thing of beauty, I love what you all have done with it ). But since I wasn't really feeling any dark things Adam-related I've just been reading. I'll admit though that I was someone who gave up reading the main thread (I post and run with the requesting reminders) because certain repeated dark side messages which had become habitual were enough for me personally, I'd said my piece and it was time to exit the conversation and let it be what it would be. I'll also say that unlike what some have posted, I lurk many places in fandom, DDD, ATRL, AO, Yes, FYE, Queenonline, twitter, occasionally IDF and Pulse and once or twice MJs. I just find it interesting the variety of different kinds of fans and fanning and the markedly different perceptions. One thing I've really enjoyed is reading all the love for Trespassing from fans of other pop artists at ATRL, many of whom may have little or no interest in Adam the person. I like most pop music, love several songs, can't stand a few and I listen to the radio often (and have an Ivy League masters degree, if you wish to profile me). I've been called twice for my local HAC station's listener testing - both over the phone call outs, and core playlist testing in a large group. I don't think Adam's album is particularly deeper or more adult or sophisticated in subject matter than many of of the songs that have been in the Top 40 over the last year, or some other pop albums released in the past few years and I LOVE Trespassing and think it is an amazing album. Adam has tween fans for whom his music isn't too 'adult', his twitter followers are awash with them. (in a brief scan through his newest followers I see self-professed Hooligans, Lovatics, 1Directioners, Beliebers, Selena fans, and even a Jaden Smith fan). I was recently watching Adam's top 13 interview on Idol (I didn't discover Adam until after idol, so there is still a lot I haven't seen). He said he hoped to be a pop star. He recs pop music, he listens to pop music, he loves pop music. So I guess my dark side message is that I'm personally tired of the assumption that Top 40 radio pop is inferior in some way. It all comes down to your frame of reference and the metrics you are using. Radio is a struggle, but that to me is simply a given, and I think the theories tigerlily and others have shared about not being a idol (or other brand new breaking artist) debut or fitting into a pre-existing profile on radio for a male pop artist make sense. It's a long game but it's far far from over in my mind. Personally I'm 'in the moment' hoping the night lasts forever with NCOE, so not looking towards a third single. I'm sure when it's chosen, some fans will be disappointed and some will be elated, and the decision will be made based on attracting new listeners rather than appeasing established ones. ETA: on 14 year olds. When I was 14 my favorite artist was Jim Morrison, who had died before I was born. As a 11-13 year old I adored Casey Kasem's count down, and music by Madonna, Tina Turner, the Eurythmics, Cyndi Lauper, etc. It's funny to think that some of today's Top 40 stars/songs adored by the under 18 set will no doubt be tomorrow's classics.
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