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Post by tigerlily on Jun 16, 2012 18:04:40 GMT -5
I can't believe you guys. I am sure there are tons of engineers, nuclear physicists, noted pediatricians, civil rights activists, trained classical musicians, and jazz buffs downloading Bieber's albums. C'mon on. Why wouldn't they? And tons of 9-year-olds ready to cast them aside for a funk-a-delic album about elemental sexual craving, long-sought love, and emotional pain. That was why my mom and I traded records when I was nine! She dug The Archies and I listened to Sinatra's For Losers Only. Ah, memories. #profilingisthenewtonguediving #getintoit #loveyouguys #realness Realness...there are indeed tons of radio listeners who are WAY over the age of nine who like Bieber's and One Direction's Music. You would be shocked at how many middle-aged Moms are loving the new boyband from the UK. Adam put out a Pop album. Tweens, teens and adults can and do enjoy it. The songs on TSP are not any more complicated than many of the songs from other Pop artists. The songs on TSP were co-written by the standard writers that are used by many of the current Pop artists and then the standard Pop producers fine-tuned the songs. There is no reason why the younger generation cannot enjoy Adam's songs on the radio or while listening to them from the CD.
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 16, 2012 18:06:41 GMT -5
I love pop music, and I listen to WKSC everyday. A lot of it is great. But, I do think there is a lot more "younger" stuff than there has been in a long time. And, at least from my own experience, it feels like the demographic is getting younger. But a lot of it I actually like.
It's funny, I have come back to pop music. I was a music snob in my 20's, lol, and listened to primarily alternative stuff. I lived for Pearl Jam and REM in college. I think it's that I now have young kids who love pop music that it brought me back. My 5yr. Old sings along with everything in the car.
Anyway, Adam's songs are a lot more sophisticated than "Call Me Maybe," but they should fit very easily on CHR. My daughter is convinced that she has heard Cuckoo on that stupid Disney show Shake It Up (obviously not, lol), but it has that current, young dance sound.
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Post by lambo on Jun 16, 2012 18:21:47 GMT -5
Brilliant post tigerlily! To add to your Bieber and 1D point I know young straight men who listen to them and enjoy them
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Post by mika on Jun 16, 2012 20:45:39 GMT -5
Something appropriate for today now that I have celebrated and am stuffed with fresh guacamole and grilled shrimp (on shabbat too!) "...and his heart was going like mad..."
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Post by lynne on Jun 16, 2012 20:53:24 GMT -5
Enjoyed all the pro top 40 posts and agree with much of what you say.
I definitely do not think pop music is inferior, but I have to be honest in saying that before Adam I never listened to radio or downloaded much pop. I have also never followed a particular artist before and probably would not have ever followed an artist to the extent I follow Adam if he hadn't caught my interest in a fly by reality TV moment that changed my viewing and lifestyle habits.
I listened to a lot of new music, but it was often music introduced to me through my kids, all of whom turned out to be indie music lovers eager to show me all the music they loved. I loved some of it as well and was satisfied enough with that music experience.
Then came Adam and a whole new world of pop music opened up for me. Initially I didn't really like WWFM or IIHY on FYE, but I loved Adam's voice and live performances and pretty soon they grew on me. I started listening to pop music to see where he fit in and found I like a lot of it. Some of it is fun and makes me happy. However, some of it does nothing for me at all.
I LOVE trespassing, the album. I love all the fast "pop" songs, and I liked them immediately. The album exceeded my expectations. I can see a lot of the songs fitting in on the top 40 radio station I sometimes do now listen to.
I hope Adam has big radio success this era, and I still have lots of hope for that, but if for some reason he doesn't, I remind myself I will still enjoy his music and will still be listening and he will still keep making music regardless.
He was making it before AI; he will always be making music, and now i know about him.
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Post by nica575 on Jun 16, 2012 23:39:02 GMT -5
Wow! I just spent over an hour catching up with the thread! So much great writing! So many profound thoughts... having read many pages I don;t even know what to respond to now...
So, I guess the easiest way to proceed is to continue the latest conversation...
the radio situation is currently quite depressing and I am trying hard not to peek in the numbers thread lately. I know I am impatient and to tell the truth I am tired of waiting for something spectacular to happen and for the world to bow to Adam's greatness... I tend to (internally) blame the RCA choice of the singles but i also have come to understand that the songs have nothing to do with the decision making - the politics of it...and politics it is.
IMO: there are threes strong trends in the industry:
1) repeating the Bieb' phenomenon...regardless of the quality... so, it is basically get a bunch of cute little boys that appeal to all little girls and voilà! GREED!!!! noting more, nothing less.. It is not about music, not about singing, not about voices...
2) satisfy the young male's desire to see enough boobs&ass accompanied by bubble gum tunes... It is not about music, not about singing, not about voices...
3) rap - an exercise in rhythmic recital - as far from singing as one can get
and then there are safe and sweet Adele and Bruno...
Where does Adam fit here? IDK...
We know that he seems to be really happy lately. What else can we ask for? HE is happy, WE have new music, WE are going to have the Queen YTs and the one-off concerts. I certainly hope that even if the album sales do nothing much, this summer gigs could possibly finance the tour.
Here is another concern: the one off concerts are not sold out. WHY? Not enough promotion? The reason I am worried is that I think that the tour success is what will make it or break it for Adam.
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 16, 2012 23:48:40 GMT -5
Here is another concern: the one off concerts are not sold out. WHY? Not enough promotion? The reason I am worried is that I think that the tour success is what will make it or break it for Adam. Idol contestants lose a large portion of their fanbase from the show by the second era, even successful ones like Adam. Also, Adam doesn't have a hit song this era. This will mean the numbers will probably be down for Adam's shows as not as many casual type fans will invest time and money in these concerts.
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Post by mika on Jun 17, 2012 0:21:18 GMT -5
Here is another concern: the one off concerts are not sold out. WHY? Not enough promotion? The reason I am worried is that I think that the tour success is what will make it or break it for Adam. Idol contestants lose a large portion of their fanbase from the show by the second era, even successful ones like Adam. Also, Adam doesn't have a hit song this era. This will mean the numbers will probably be down for Adam's shows as not as many casual type fans will invest time and money in these concerts. Or maybe your dove is just molting - it can be sad, all those feathers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 0:35:25 GMT -5
Hi, you guys. Warning: I get kinda dark ... Last week I gave up the numbers thread because it was ruining my enjoyment of Adam and that is something I will not let happen. Today's conversation was interesting. Nikki, thank you for posting the article about the widgets. I am involved in a small way in publishing. It is the same horrible situation. I can't stand putting artists or audience members in little boxes. With all respect for the ladies and gentlemen and your knowledge, I am scrolling past all further posts on radio and will refrain from any comment, even jokes that always just get taken way too seriously anyway. As my mom once said about a trip to Las Vegas, "You can see it all and you've seen nothing. You can miss it all and you've missed nothing." That is radio to me. A big black hole of meaninglessness. *** New topic: Remember when Adam told Rolling Stone, "I still feel like I'm not welcome. Pop music feels like high school. There's the really cool kids and I'm not one of those!" Adam defends himself and his fans as "weirdos." And of course in his most famous song, Adam famously declares, "Yeah, I'm a freak." He calls himself a freak twice on Trespassing. I decided to research the word "cool" and it turned out to be really interesting. "Cool" in the modern sense has its roots in African-American culture. In essence, cool evolved as a way of sticking it to "The Man" during the days of slavery and Jim Crow. Men with a deep sense of detachment and irony could retain their inner dignity and freedom of thought without doing anything that would earn them a beating or worse. As African-American culture spread into the mainstream via jazz and rock and roll, cool became enshrined as the ultimate attribute, especially for young people. This makes sense because the whole point of being "cool" is to give a person a sense of control in a world in which you actually control very little. It turns out there has actually been research into what makes a person "cool" or "uncool." Dacher Keltner, a researcher at the University of California at Berkeley, has proved that people of high status (the cool kids) behave differently during brief "let's get acquainted" sessions that he videotaped. The high status people were, quite literally, colder to their peers. They looked at their partners less. They laughed less. They were less likely to nod or raise their eyebrows. They doodled or looked at their cell phones. Looking at this research, it's easy to see why Adam is doomed to be forever uncool. Not to put too fine a point on it: he is nice and friendly and funny and silly and undeniably dorky despite his handsome looks. Adam is always making eye contact, smiling, laughing, acting as if he likes people, and trying to get people to like him. Keltner's research shows that these are the attributes of a low status person, for reasons deeply rooted in biology. The biology of cool goes like this: as human beings, we depend on each other to survive. However, we are NOT all equally dependent. Some have a lot, and others don't have much. The cool person (again think back to slavery times) is showing that he has all he needs. He is an island. We are programmed to admire someone who has everything he needs, especially in the face of adversity. Though Adam often looks cool in photo shoots (instead of strange and awkward like most of us low-status types look when we attempt to don a "cool" look), ultimately he cannot hide his inner uncoolness by swapping glitter for high fashion. But I believe Adam will always prefer to make us swoon, thrill, laugh, or go weak in the knees rather than become distant and removed from us. That he will always prefer to be himself than pretend to be cool. It looks like Adam will just have to settle for being hot instead of cool. And that's OK with me.
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Post by nica575 on Jun 17, 2012 0:58:01 GMT -5
Junie, it seems that what the research you read identified "arrogance" as "coolness"... not sure I subscribe to this... It seems Adam is working very hard to be "grounded" and "real" - good for him and good for us!
One observation (my own) - arrogant behavior is ( more often than not) just a cover for deep insecurities...
or may be they are just introverts ;D
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