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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 10:23:35 GMT -5
ETA: Thanks, bullsfan!!! We are all in this together. AleksandraKV, what an amazing post! Your question is such an interesting one. I have to say that I would still love Adam as a person if I did not like his album, but I would probably drift away from being a big fan. Fortunately I LOVE the album, so that is not an issue. When I was younger, Bruce Springsteen meant everything to me, and I don't know how I could have gotten through junior high and high school without him. He changed his musical direction quite dramatically at a certain point. His new music didn't suck at all, but it was much more sedate, introspective, and contemplative. It was drawing the emotion from his personal life and views and sharing it ... rather than drawing the emotion from my life and saying it for me. I still like him and have fond feelings for him, but they faded into nostalgia ("my Springsteen period") rather than something that continued to be a big part of my life. Adam looms large in my life because he has restored to me a sense of freedom, honesty, and pleasure for its own sake. He makes me want to dance even though I'm old and fat. He makes me want to take risks and try special new things. Adam's honesty and hard-won self-respect set me on a course away from grief and depression that were part of my life, and towards the idea that to be a whole person, you have to embrace your own true nature. His eroticism and sensuality are not incidental to his message; they are a constant reminder of his humanity and wholeness -- and our own. I agree with you about NCOE, song and video, by the way. I don't hate the song at all, but it doesn't embody for me what is special about Adam.
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Post by lynne on Jun 18, 2012 10:35:57 GMT -5
Alexandrakv Your post makes me smile in a good way, especially the part about Adam scrubbing concrete. Put me on the always and forever cuckoo train. Adam collided with a time of change in my life and will forever be a bit enmeshed with that. The last of my children had left for college, some chronic health issues were introducing themselves into my life, and I was rethinking life and forging into the future. With all of my children off on their own, a certain kind of mantle of motherhood slipped off my shoulders and I felt the girlhood me, the dreamy, contemplative thinker and gentle rebel, spread out and seep into the spaces left behind. She met the mid-life me with curiosity and questions. Now, hand in hand, the two of us move through our unfolding life with interest, waiting to see what will happen next. The dynamics in all of my most cherished relationships have subtly changed. I am a little more spicy in them, a little more edgy with a smile, a little more surprising. My kids and my husband, who are pretty much the best, raise their brows a little here and there and mainly smile right back. I know Adam played a part in this, sometimes a catalyst, sometimes a symbol. Those who know me best know this as well. The other day, in a heart to heart talk with my youngest son, that became clear. He was telling me about something he has decided against in his life for right now, and then laughed and said, "Who knows? Maybe later on down the road I'll totally go for that. Maybe sometime that will be my Adam." I laughed because I knew what he meant. Adam, a catalyst for change and a symbol of it. One thing life holds certain, a change is always gonna come.
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Post by mika on Jun 18, 2012 10:59:38 GMT -5
I vote for a "Let's rant" thread. ;D (no literary quotations or philosophical musings required) This particular thread has become quite intimidating....I've been a member of this forum and its predecessors since the Planet Fierce days and appreciate cerebral musings....but DAYUM people!.... mika - say WUT?! Glad some peeps have found a sanctuary, but this one isn't for me. lol Duberberville, plz consider staying and ranting away ! It was the original purpose and I am all for a good, soul-cleansing rant. I won't be posting much anymore - I have my hands full and psyche stretched thin at the moment - and believe sometimes a sign is a sign is a sign. Maybe this will also help make things less complicated. Look fwd to reading the thread whatever direction it takes. . If I find any good, relevant articles or links I'll def. drop 'em off.
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Post by holly on Jun 18, 2012 13:30:49 GMT -5
The problem as I see it... Adam needs more fans to hit the radio stations,in order to get his songs played,but how to get more fans if potential fans do not hear his music on radio? While it seems necessary to have radio on board to get a huge hit, there are plenty of ways to get music to people without falling into the circular trap of relying on radio for exposure to get radio play. Adam's marketing team needs to work harder on those fronts. I posted in the main thread the other day about my niece and her friends (ages 18-25). None of them seem to rely on the radio for finding new music -- they look to their friends, tv/movies/internet and NOT the radio to find out about new music. When they find out about new music, then they'll request on the radio. Many of them are Adam fans (owned FYE, went to GNT) and yet the only one who knew he had a new cd out was my niece. None of them had heard of BTIKM* or NCOE* either. The promo for the music had not reached a group of people in the 18-25 bracket who were already fans. So if it's not reaching extant fans (in the desired demo), the promo is not getting where it needs to be and that's the marketing team's problem. *Niece said that when she played the cd and vids for her friends, people really liked NCOE and its video. They were indifferent to or did not like BTIKM or its video -- they thought the song was boring and the video did nothing for them (although they thought Adam sang it well). All of their favorites were on the "light" side of the cd, but they all refer to it as the "fast" part of the cd. They all liked Trespassing best. I gave my niece the link to Adam's NNN Awards show performance of Trespassing and they all thought that song should have been the single and that performance would have been a great video on its own.
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Post by jean1010 on Jun 18, 2012 13:40:30 GMT -5
This is going to be an old fashioned Dark Side rant. Large corporate controlled broadcast radio is so frustrating. It is becoming a symbol for me like Citizens United, of our democracy slipping into oligarchy. I feel helpless against it. Requesting at my local station, voting for 10 at 10 etc like all of you here. We can't give up because Adam thinks we have his back.
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 18, 2012 14:22:18 GMT -5
Concerning the importance of radio:
AllAccess posted a summary of the latest Arbitron report:
* 241 million American Adults listen to radio each week
* Each week across America, radio is heard by 94% of Adults 18-34, 95% of Adults 18-49, 95% of Adults 25-54 and 95% of Adults 35-64
* Americans listen to radio for more than 14.6 billion hours each month
* You can reach 90% of Americans on the radio between 6a and 7p during the work week
* 70% of Americans tune in to radio each day for nearly 2 hours and 45 minutes
* New research shows radio delivers more than 93% of its lead-in audience during commercial breaks
Radio is still the best way to reach the most music listeners. There is a reason why the top songs on radio are also the top songs on iTunes.
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Post by jean1010 on Jun 18, 2012 15:01:02 GMT -5
Agree with tigerlily that radio is vital for Adam's pop success. That why it is so painful and angst producing to watch the charts lately.' Interesting Idol radio news today, Casey J. from the much maligned season 9 got 50 adds today! I like him so I am trying hard not to be too jealous.
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Post by mszue on Jun 18, 2012 15:03:32 GMT -5
Concerning the importance of radio: AllAccess posted a summary of the latest Arbitron report: * 241 million American Adults listen to radio each week * Each week across America, radio is heard by 94% of Adults 18-34, 95% of Adults 18-49, 95% of Adults 25-54 and 95% of Adults 35-64 * Americans listen to radio for more than 14.6 billion hours each month * You can reach 90% of Americans on the radio between 6a and 7p during the work week * 70% of Americans tune in to radio each day for nearly 2 hours and 45 minutes * New research shows radio delivers more than 93% of its lead-in audience during commercial breaks Radio is still the best way to reach the most music listeners. There is a reason why the top songs on radio are also the top songs on iTunes. WOw...I am pretty damn special!! I listen to my cd's in the car and have for years and years. Rarely listen to the radio at all and if/when I did it is CBC here in Canada and it was NPR when I lived in the US...neither of which play a pop music format. And most of my friends did/do the same! Maybe we are different here in Canada... I know my daughter listens to paradisio radio on line..but I think there is little to no advertising or talking on that...it is all indie type music...not sure but I know that is what she listens to
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 18, 2012 15:11:10 GMT -5
Concerning the importance of radio: AllAccess posted a summary of the latest Arbitron report: * 241 million American Adults listen to radio each week * Each week across America, radio is heard by 94% of Adults 18-34, 95% of Adults 18-49, 95% of Adults 25-54 and 95% of Adults 35-64 * Americans listen to radio for more than 14.6 billion hours each month * You can reach 90% of Americans on the radio between 6a and 7p during the work week * 70% of Americans tune in to radio each day for nearly 2 hours and 45 minutes * New research shows radio delivers more than 93% of its lead-in audience during commercial breaks Radio is still the best way to reach the most music listeners. There is a reason why the top songs on radio are also the top songs on iTunes. WOw...I am pretty damn special!! I listen to my cd's in the car and have for years and years. Rarely listen to the radio at all and if/when I did it is CBC here in Canada and it was NPR when I lived in the US...neither of which play a pop music format. And most of my friends did/do the same! Maybe we are different here in Canada... According to Arbitron, you must be. This was a report on the radio listening habits in the US, maybe you are correct and it is different in Canada. IDK. It won't be surprising if these statistics don't match up with the majority of the posters on Atop, since there are so many members who say they never listen to the radio, much less Pop radio. These are the most recent statistics on the radio listening habits of Americans, though.
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Post by jean1010 on Jun 18, 2012 15:16:20 GMT -5
I wonder how much of that radio listening time is talk. Before I got bitten by the Adam bug, I always listened to talk mostly NPR and left leaning Air America. I know nobody who listens too music on radio much at all. My youngish adult children listen to music of their choice on Rhapsody and my friends and sibs are still listening mostly to talk.
By the way, I love this thread because it is more serious.
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