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Post by cookeejar on Jun 19, 2012 10:50:33 GMT -5
I have no idea where to post anymore, not that I ever posted much but now I don't even no where to lurk. They are angsting upstairs too. The other day it was asked what was a favorite song on the album. I love all the songs and my favorite changes daily but Nirvana really does it for me. When he sings touch toward the beginning of the song something inside does a flip. I am old and overweight so I am not sure where the flip occurs but I feel it. The same thing happened and still happens when I first heard Tracks of My Tears. I still get goosebumps when I listened to it. It also happened when he sings that one IF in If I Cant't Have You. So that answers another question "Would I be hear if I didn't like the album?" For me he could sing the phone book and I would be on board(Drooling and hoping it is the New York City book because it would go on forever) because it is all about the Voice and the delivery.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 10:55:17 GMT -5
Okay...now I'm feeling responsible for pushing our "deep thinkers" out of this thread. It wasn't my intent. :-[ I feel that we need a release valve on this board where those of us who want to shout "WHAT THE FUCK RADIO?!!" can do so without criticism. I become so angry with certain "issues" I can't form a coherent sentence, much less compose a literary masterpiece. You've got to admit that such silly outbursts or illogical arguments look out of the place in this thread as it has evolved. That said, I'm thrilled those who need a comfortable place in which to wax poetically have their new home. (I also don't understand the compartmentalization of number angst....wouldn't that be a major topic for the "dark side"? What else is there to worry about? Everything else concerning Adam is quite wonderful! ....unless he returns to the Frankengump - what the hell else are we gonna talk about down here?! ..... bullsfan.....my thoughts exactly. I assumed Adam was networking with radio PD's to ensure a good roll out for this era's songs...haven't seen evidence of much success in that regard. Perhaps he should have made more TV appearances performing NCOE. I dunno. (Thinking I should send flowers over to the Moon Garden .....) Ahhh, don't feel bad--it wasn't you. I admit the level of depth that was displayed was making me feel inadequate to but nobody made anyone feel unwelcomed. I think everyone is gun-shy these days and searching for a place they wont be judged. I kinda feel like sending flowers to all the members that are feeling lost--and that I feel I have lost. Regarding the use of the gay-card: I totally get the frustration and desire to do something. The whole thing pisses me off and I have lost so much respect for radio. However, the radio stations may have the power of media behind them but their one and only goal is money and base their direction entirely on guesses of what will gain or cost them more. They are not out to make political statements one way or another. Just the fastest buck. The hate is loudest and certainly making them question whether investing in Adam is worth it. But to yell back only makes their decision seem more like choosing sides in a complex political debate and choosing sides will always cost them something--which is exactly what they don't want. It is easier to just spin someone else's music . When it is no longer a battle, then they will be more likely to jump on board. It starts with society showing they are indifferent to sexuality. When listeners can just listen then there will be no gamble. The radio fight has to be about quality music. That is the sell and fortunately that is where Adam shines. Based on the interviews, it is obvious that sexuality still matters. But based on the #1 album is also is obvious that sexuality is mattering less. When the "moms" are chatting their hateful messages, we should not be responding with "this is great music by a gay guy!" but only, "this is great music!" Much more powerful in my opinion!
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 19, 2012 10:56:50 GMT -5
Discrimination affects him, of course, but his present difficulties are more a result of being away for so long. Adam's sole big hit was wwfm, winter/spring of 2010. GNT was lucrative and solidified his fan base without gaining him many casual fans. iihy was the only thing going for him during gnt with the general public and on radio, and iihy was not huge, which meant his presence was negligible. A long delay followed gnt/iihy, and during that time he was invisible to non fans. We follow everything he does. Normal people don't. Upshot is he's been gone for so long that he needs to make a comeback. For that he needs huge promo, which he doesn't have in the US, or a miracle, which he might yet get on chr. What's happening now was predictable when rca decided not to go with a third (fourth?) single in the US, and many fans predicted it. I think situation is self explanatory, not a result of song quality or nefarious scheming by evil pds. I agree with most of this. Discrimination against past Idols is also in play here. Radio stations are covered up with past Idols. Radio PDs give the popular ones a one year window when they know their fanbase is huge and extends across many age groups. History tells them that the second era will be a different story, the fanbase will have diminished and in most cases will have skewed away from their target demo. I've often wished that RCA would have released a third single, but what would they have released? Fever, if they hadn't of used the he pronoun, could have worked. As much as fans loved SW, it was strictly an HAC song. That would have set up era two as Adam as an HAC artist only. Once again, timing was bad on all of this. The single and album should have come out six months (at least) before it did. Radio has shifted in the past six months. Six months to a year ago, NCOE would have had a better chance. Now, the tween heartthrobs and the UK artists are in high demand and they are taking all the 'catchy pop song' spots.
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Post by evamaria on Jun 19, 2012 11:32:40 GMT -5
I agree with most of this. Discrimination against past Idols is also in play here. Radio stations are covered up with past Idols. Radio PDs give the popular ones a one year window when they know their fanbase is huge and extends across many age groups. History tells them that the second era will be a different story, the fanbase will have diminished and in most cases will have skewed away from their target demo. I've often wished that RCA would have released a third single, but what would they have released? Fever, if they hadn't of used the he pronoun, could have worked. As much as fans loved SW, it was strictly an HAC song. That would have set up era two as Adam as an HAC artist only. Once again, timing was bad on all of this. The single and album should have come out six months (at least) before it did. Radio has shifted in the past six months. Six months to a year ago, NCOE would have had a better chance. Now, the tween heartthrobs and the UK artists are in high demand and they are taking all the 'catchy pop song' spots. Back then, and we're talking a couple of years ago, Adam had wwfm, fresh in everyone's minds, and iihy, which wasn't huge, but which was something. He had more leeway on chr than he has now. Had they cared to promote, they could have sold SW to chr. The fundamental mistake, I agree, was waiting so long between albums and singles. btw I'm not discounting homophobia. Radio is conservative. Homophobia exists. That, added to the long delay and the idol curse is making things very difficult for him in the US. On the plus side, US is not the only nation on earth. He's getting great radio play and great promo in the UK, way better than he did for fye. If he wins the UK, and keeps Northern Europe, Japan, Australia, NZ, his album/singles sales will do just fine. It'll be harder for us to keep track of sales, but that we can't track them doesn't mean sales aren't happening.
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Post by isitjustme on Jun 19, 2012 11:44:35 GMT -5
"My feeling, and I may be wrong, is that there are lots of places to talk about the music industry and Adam. Sometimes it seems that is all Atop talks about (well, and pants, and what a nice guy Brian May is)."
The comment above by Juniemoon the other day (17th) took the confusion of the separate places away for me ... I realized that some people just want a place to go where they didn't have to focus on Adam. And I think that is just fine, I only found it odd that it is in "Adamtopia."
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Post by lynne on Jun 19, 2012 12:49:36 GMT -5
Craazyforadam and ladyoz--I feel the same way about the scattering of our group. I don't know the best way to remedy it. I think Q3 reminded us of chat so that we will use it to talk about anything we want. But I have never liked it because there is no ongoing record of conversations, and we are a worldwide community which makes it logistically impossible to include everyone at the same time. I like the moon garden thread idea because the radio stuff is a little scrolly for me (maybe I am a bad fan after all :-/). But I do enjoy everyone who has posted here. Why can't we have a thread that can continue this conversation (but not buried on 5-22-12)? Somewhere visible or in members only if necessary. It doesn't have to necessarily be dark. I don't know--I'm just frustrated. First of all, let me preface this by saying I love Atop and very much appreciate Q3 and the forum that has been created here. While I have no experience of the intricacies of running/modding a forum like this one, I am sure there are many factors to consider and that decisions made concerning it are made with the very best of intentions. As a classroom teacher, I have noticed that anytime I change the configuration of my classroom, a different dynamic results. Although students may have varied opinions on what configuration they like best, as their teacher, my role is to create and maintain the environment that best meets my objectives for their learning. I put a lot of thought into creating the most ideal learning space I can; everything I do has a purpose that I am continually monitoring and evaluating. I'm sure the same holds true for those organizing this forum and for those thinking about how discussion is best handled within it. With a growing numbers of visitors, increased individual threads with specific focus may indeed be necessary, but I miss having a common place to gather, a place where we all brush up against each other from time to time in passing. In the past, for me, that place was always the "main/news" thread, the home of the forum, the heart of our community, where we all met and gathered. Sure, sometimes when we sat around the main news thread table there were a million different conversations going on at once, and sometimes discussion got a little loud, but people came to the table and talked openly. Adam was the chief conversational cornerstone, but as a sense of community developed, people began to connect with and care for each other, and all of that fit Adam's message of connectivity and love. A community has developed here that is important enough to me to visit regularly. Some of you are now friends that I see in real life; others I look forward to meeting soon. Although I see the benefit of focused special interest threads for some, we've lost the central gathering place that felt, for many others, like home. Some seem to be wandering around feeling a bit lost and fragmented, not knowing where to go to post their thoughts or find connectivity at a crucial time in Adam's career when he needs his fans to be a united and connected force now more than ever. I miss those people, and notice their empty places at the table at the same time that I enjoy and welcome all our wonderful new additions. On the good side, I have been exploring rooms I've never visited before using the "new threads" icon. Maybe the dust just needs to settle and I just need to find a comfortable chair in every room. But see, here is the problem again. Where do I post this post that doesn't really index itself anywhere? Where does it even belong? Which room do I want to "discuss" these feeling with? LOL. I'm back to "everybody.". ;D Maybe I am like some of my students who I sometimes say have "a need to be heard." Oh well, real life calls... And... Post Reply.
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Post by Alison on Jun 19, 2012 12:53:48 GMT -5
"My feeling, and I may be wrong, is that there are lots of places to talk about the music industry and Adam. Sometimes it seems that is all Atop talks about (well, and pants, and what a nice guy Brian May is)."The comment above by Juniemoon the other day (17th) took the confusion of the separate places away for me ... I realized that some people just want a place to go where they didn't have to focus on Adam. And I think that is just fine, I only found it odd that it is in "Adamtopia." It's not that some of us don't want to talk about Adam. I can't separate this community from Adam. We all have that in common, but I have formed relationships with you guys over the past 3 years, and friends talk about all kinds of things. Maybe it is the social worker in me, but the dynamics on this board are fascinating to me. I guess that's why I love talking about the milieu of the board--I am forever breaking the rules and talking about the thread. Sorry mods. Maybe I need to start a forum called Adamtopiatopia for all the fans of Adamtopia--then I won't be off topic anymore ;D ETA: looks up. Hi Lynne. Love ya!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 13:42:06 GMT -5
Dear Lynne and everyone else, I really don't know whether it has been harder for the new-comers or for the ones who have been here from the get-go. It's difficult for both, I guess. I try not to get too emotional / invested. Not to take anything personal. Adapt. Adjust. They say that the ultimate quality of an intelligent person is the ability to adapt to the newly arisen circumstances. I try that, too. "It gets better."
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Post by Alison on Jun 19, 2012 14:09:36 GMT -5
Junie just described the moon garden thread, and it works for me. I hope others here stop by. It could be lovely.
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Post by evamaria on Jun 19, 2012 14:32:35 GMT -5
Dear Lynne and everyone else, I really don't know whether it has been harder for the new-comers or for the ones who have been here from the get-go. It's difficult for both, I guess. I try not to get too emotional / invested. Not to take anything personal. Adapt. Adjust. They say that the ultimate quality of an intelligent person is the ability to adapt to the newly arisen circumstances. I try that, too. "It gets better." I'm a noob, so this is a limited take, but it seems to me that you already have the bases covered, so why encourage further splintering, especially when the splintering is unnecessary and confusing? You already have a numbers thread where people discuss radio, sales, etc., so why create a separate radio thread? Numbers are related. If ncoe succeeds on chr, then the album and single sales will both go up. You can't separate the radio from sales in general, as radio DETERMINES sales. Also, only a few people (not here, sadly) have access to real numbers; do you really want a thread devoted to someone's guesswork lifted from Pulse? Separating radio from the "dark" thread also makes no sense. Many fans fear negativity. If radio numbers stink, then you will need a place for a negative discussion. Why not leave that discussion as is, on the "dark" thread? I really don't want to perpetrate my angst on the numbers and/or radio threads. I'd much rather do so where I know the angst is accepted, won't be judged, and won't disturb tender sensibilities. And then there's the separate philosophical thread. Philosophy determines the way we approach the world and interpret facts. As such, it is involved in EVERY thread. Isolating that is incomprehensible to me.
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