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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 10:14:41 GMT -5
Kris and Haley are probably not going to get much higher---and their songs have been out a long time. They have gotten the exact same treatment from radio that Adam has. Not exactly the same. They are getting spun in smaller markets with a lot of overnight spins. This is why their AI is 1/2 of NCOE's  They recently broke 1 million AI. |
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Post by bullsfan on May 31, 2012 10:23:47 GMT -5
Some good news!!!! WKSC (Chicago CHR) just played Never Close Our Eyes a little bit ago. This is great news, since they have pretty much dropped to overnights, I think |
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Post by tigerlily on May 31, 2012 10:23:54 GMT -5
://cartermatt.com/18236/american-ido....sica-sanchez-2/ 05/31 2012 'American Idol’ notes: Phillip Phillips, Adam Lambert, and Jessica Sanchez We have quite a bit to talk about yet again in our Thursday morning edition of “American Idol” notes, with the biggest headline at the moment being the return of a coronation song to the top 10 of the Billboard Hot 100 Adam makes his own debut – This week, Adam Lambert also has a chart accomplishment — new single “Never Close Our Eyes” has entered the top 40 on the Hot AC chart for the first time. Currently, the song is sitting at #38 on the chart, and is gaining enough spins to provide some hope that it will continue to climb in the weeks ahead. This is the second single from “Trespassing” to appear on this chart after “Better Than I Know Myself,” and he is one of many “Idol” stars currently on the rise — Carrie Underwood’s “Good Girl” is near the top 20, and Kris Allen (with “The Vision of Love”) and Haley Reinhart (with “Free”) are hovering around the top 30 of the chart at the moment. Now you tell me there isn't a gay bias. kris Allen and Haley in the Top 30 above Adam. My blood pressure is gonna be off the charts. There is not a gay bias. NAL's song has been out since APRIL 6th! It has taken TVOL three months to get to #30. It's AI is super low for the #30 spot because there are very few stations that are spinning it that are in a Top 20 market. On average, it gets two adds a week. Most of TVOLs spins come from overnight or late evening spins. It hasn't had a single spin or a single add from a CHR station. TVOL has ZERO adds and radio play from Canada. Radio PDs have been much more open to BTIKM and NCOE! |
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Post by taumbu on May 31, 2012 10:24:25 GMT -5
So if there can only be speculation on why radio isn't playing NCOE more aren't we just creating doom and gloom? Adam is successful, will be even more successful, no matter how long it takes. He will be iconic. Yes he will. Yes Adam is successful for now, but from what I know following, he wants to maintain his success and wants to more successful. Can anyone remember what he said in his last Rolling Stone article? He is an ambitious man that wants to make it in the music industry. This is why he is working so hard and taking on as many radio gigs as possible just to be on the radio. He has said he wants just smash hit he believes would change everything for him. Just yesterday in Canada, he was reluntact at first to play the Queen's songs play because he said he has his own album to promote and is ever quick to correct anyone that calls him the new Queen frontman that it is only a gig he is honoured to do as his priority is his own singing career. He knows the importance of radio. Read his new twitter profile if in doubt. Without radio, his popularity would fizzle away including the concerts fans are talking about. Only the established acts can do without radio and even used radio to build up that kind of longevity and career. I am not arguing that he doesn't know the importance of another hit single. What I'm saying is he is making a mark in the industry. That cannot IMO be denied. There are many different ways it can go, be it music, movies and/or tv. And I will never believe his popularity could fizzle away. He is a grammy nominated singer. I think he will be nominated again for Trespassing. He is way too talented and way too smart. JMHO |
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Post by melliemom on May 31, 2012 10:29:54 GMT -5
Yes Adam is successful for now, but from what I know following, he wants to maintain his success and wants to more successful. Can anyone remember what he said in his last Rolling Stone article? He is an ambitious man that wants to make it in the music industry. This is why he is working so hard and taking on as many radio gigs as possible just to be on the radio. He has said he wants just smash hit he believes would change everything for him. Just yesterday in Canada, he was reluntact at first to play the Queen's songs play because he said he has his own album to promote and is ever quick to correct anyone that calls him the new Queen frontman that it is only a gig he is honoured to do as his priority is his own singing career. He knows the importance of radio. Read his new twitter profile if in doubt. Without radio, his popularity would fizzle away including the concerts fans are talking about. Only the established acts can do without radio and even used radio to build up that kind of longevity and career. I am not arguing that he doesn't know the importance of another hit single. What I'm saying is he is making a mark in the industry. That cannot IMO be denied. There are many different ways it can go, be it music, movies and/or tv. And I will never believe his popularity could fizzle away. He is a grammy nominated singer. I think he will be nominated again for Trespassing. He is way too talented and way too smart. JMHO I agree with the above..I think he will get nominated and win one or more Grammys for Trespassing. It's written in the stars... |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 10:30:39 GMT -5
gbam- wow you wrote a lot! interesting stuff (and definitely not doom and gloom, just a discussion) about the scissor sisters: I don't know how big you think they were in Europe, but they are/were not. They had 1 big hit here "I don't feel like dancing". look here at their discographie on wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scissor_Sisters_discography. I won't call that big. They are somehow in the same situation as Adam, who had also one hit and is now trying to tie up to that success. My hope is the UK. I've just found this www.thisisglobal.com/radio-sales/global-brands/capital/ and I think I have read somewhere, that BBC radio 1 is not the only way to break through in the UK anymore, because of what the article says. I'm hopefull. And I think it is possible to break trough in the UK and other countries and then the USA. Just look at the CHR charts: "somewhere that I used to know" by Gotye has been an hit here month ago and we have already the new single and aren't one direction an UK reality show stars. And Adele. And hasn't someone here mentioned that Gaga broke through in the rest of the world first? Adam is definitely not viewed the same as the 'Scissors Sisters' because he is bigger than them. He had more than two hits in notable countries accross the world including the US while they had just one hit and were never able to catch a break back at home. I used them as an example of US artists who broke outside the US and that did not translate into acceptance on US radio contrary to what some are saying that when you hit outside the US, then the PDs would be jumping over themselves to play you as that is not true. Gaga worked because at the same time she was breaking overseas, her gay followershing was building at home. She always says she owns her career to the gays as they helped break her when radio wouldn't play her songs. she was scoring club hits in the gay clubs which gave her sales and with that her popularity kept growing. Adam unfortunately does not that priviledge as even him has said the gays would rather support the pop girls. And they are either saying he is either too gay or not gay enough. As to One Direction comparison, that is another story entirely. If anything it exposes how pathetic the US PDs are. They would rather play manufactured talent shows acts from abroad than their very own. And it is not just those boys, now their is Cher Lloryd too from the same show. She got about 25 adds on Pop when her song went for adds about 3 weeks ago and is currently charting in the top 40. This is A luxury UK radio does not give to American talent show act. The UK BBC radio refuse to play any American idol acts on their radio and discriminate against them. UK was the only market that Adam's world wide smash did not chart. I know they play Kelly and that is because she was the first and was lunched there on another 'World Idol' she participated in after her win and she has had smashes in the US that helped her too. Jordin is another one that got her break their during the huge era of Chris Brown who she dueted with. Those are the only two exceptions. |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 10:32:33 GMT -5
Kris and Haley are probably not going to get much higher---and their songs have been out a long time. They have gotten the exact same treatment from radio that Adam has. Not exactly the same. They are getting spun in smaller markets with a lot of overnight spins. This is why their AI is 1/2 of NCOE's They recently broke 1 million AI. Adam was also at a higher peak than then at this same period with his first single. |
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Post by tigerlily on May 31, 2012 10:36:21 GMT -5
Wow. I'm not sure I'd call this "Doom & Gloom" though. Frankly I found it pretty damn interesting.
The bottom line is we can flail over all the good stuff that's happening (and there is a LOT of that right now) but it's important to face the reality that he has a huge struggle with radio support. And without some success on radio we will not have all the concerts, interviews, videos, photos, etc to flail over. So hiding our heads in the sand about the dark side is not realistic imo.
But where is he struggling more than say Kris, Haley, James or even Daughtry? I don't get it. I find the numbers interesting too but my question is where do these posters get their knowledge from? Are they radio insiders or are they merely fans speculating? Because a fan speculating without facts can cause a lot of angst and worry by seeming to have inside information that they just don't have. If I'm going to rely on someone's expertise I want to know what qualifies them to be an expert? I can't speak for everyone who posts in this thread, but I get my information from published charts and from places where fans keep track of their favorite's songs, albums and promo. That could be MJs, Pulse or various fan boards. Personally, I'm not claiming to be an expert. No one is an expert in this thread. I'm just looking at charts and patterns and trying to make sense of what might or might not happen with radio play. |
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Post by melliemom on May 31, 2012 10:39:08 GMT -5
gbam- wow you wrote a lot! interesting stuff (and definitely not doom and gloom, just a discussion) about the scissor sisters: I don't know how big you think they were in Europe, but they are/were not. They had 1 big hit here "I don't feel like dancing". look here at their discographie on wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scissor_Sisters_discography. I won't call that big. They are somehow in the same situation as Adam, who had also one hit and is now trying to tie up to that success. My hope is the UK. I've just found this www.thisisglobal.com/radio-sales/global-brands/capital/ and I think I have read somewhere, that BBC radio 1 is not the only way to break through in the UK anymore, because of what the article says. I'm hopefull. And I think it is possible to break trough in the UK and other countries and then the USA. Just look at the CHR charts: "somewhere that I used to know" by Gotye has been an hit here month ago and we have already the new single and aren't one direction an UK reality show stars. And Adele. And hasn't someone here mentioned that Gaga broke through in the rest of the world first? Adam is definitely not viewed the same as the 'Scissors Sisters' because he is bigger than them. He had more than two hits in notable countries accross the world including the US while they had just one hit. I used them as an example of US artists who broke outside the US and that did not translate into acceptance on US radio contrary to what some are saying that when you hit outside the US, then the PDs would be jumping over themselves to play you as that is not true. Gaga worked because at the same time she was breaking overseas, her gay followershing was building at home. She always says she owns her career to the gays as they helped break her when radio wouldn't play her songs. she was scoring club hits in the gay clubs which gave her sales and with that her popularity kept growing. Adam unfortunately does not that priviledge as even him has said the gays would rather support the pop girls. And they are either saying he is either too gay or not gay enough. IMHO Pretty short sighted of the gay community..Although Adam is getting great press from the majority of gay magazines now..so maybe the perceptions will change and there will be greater acceptance of Adam and more tolerance for differences in their own community. |
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Post by bullsfan on May 31, 2012 10:40:32 GMT -5
Frecklesexual, I basically just discuss the numbers as they pop up here. And I trust the people that bring them here know what they are doing. The numbers/chart positions/sales are facts. Speculation comes in when we try to see patterns and analyze what they might mean. I'm no expert, but you don't have to be an expert to see trends and follow an album's trajectory.
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