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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 11:56:22 GMT -5
Q102 added, but not playing much, Boston supposedly have added and not playing much. My big question is what gives? He did their damn concerts, and lesser singers are getting more spins. I just don't get it. THIS!!! |
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Post by smokeyvera on May 31, 2012 12:00:57 GMT -5
gbam, keep posting your thoughts. You make sense. I think with my heart, I need facts to walk thru the radio unknowns.
I wish I had this magical wand to change it all.
What really bothers me are the dj's are nothing but complementaryat these concerts when they speak to Adam. He makes the top 10 in their on-line survey and gets played, but is not placed on rotation. That is where it all becomes blurry for me. There are lesser talents, with crap voices and stupid songs being played in rotation. It just doesn't compute for me.
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Post by aralid on May 31, 2012 12:05:57 GMT -5
gbam- wow you wrote a lot! interesting stuff (and definitely not doom and gloom, just a discussion) about the scissor sisters: I don't know how big you think they were in Europe, but they are/were not. They had 1 big hit here "I don't feel like dancing". look here at their discographie on wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scissor_Sisters_discography. I won't call that big. They are somehow in the same situation as Adam, who had also one hit and is now trying to tie up to that success. My hope is the UK. I've just found this www.thisisglobal.com/radio-sales/global-brands/capital/ and I think I have read somewhere, that BBC radio 1 is not the only way to break through in the UK anymore, because of what the article says. I'm hopefull. And I think it is possible to break trough in the UK and other countries and then the USA. Just look at the CHR charts: "somewhere that I used to know" by Gotye has been an hit here month ago and we have already the new single and aren't one direction an UK reality show stars. And Adele. And hasn't someone here mentioned that Gaga broke through in the rest of the world first? Adam is definitely not viewed the same as the 'Scissors Sisters' because he is bigger than them. He had more than two hits in notable countries accross the world including the US while they had just one hit and were never able to catch a break back at home. I used them as an example of US artists who broke outside the US and that did not translate into acceptance on US radio contrary to what some are saying that when you hit outside the US, then the PDs would be jumping over themselves to play you as that is not true. Gaga worked because at the same time she was breaking overseas, her gay followershing was building at home. She always says she owns her career to the gays as they helped break her when radio wouldn't play her songs. she was scoring club hits in the gay clubs which gave her sales and with that her popularity kept growing. Adam unfortunately does not that priviledge as even him has said the gays would rather support the pop girls. And they are either saying he is either too gay or not gay enough. As to One Direction comparison, that is another story entirely. If anything it exposes how pathetic the US PDs are. They would rather play manufactured talent shows acts from abroad than their very own. And it is not just those boys, now their is Cher Lloryd too from the same show. She got about 25 adds on Pop when her song went for adds about 3 weeks ago and is currently charting in the top 40. This is A luxury UK radio does give to American talent show act. The UK BBC radio refused to play any American idol act on their radio and discriminate against them. UK was the only market that Adam's world wide smash did not chart. I know they play Kelly and that is because she was the first and was lunched there on another 'World Idol' she participated in after her win and she has had smashes in the US that helped her too. Jordin is another one that got her break their during the huge era of Chris Brown who she dueted with. Weren't we talking about the success of the scissor sisters and Adam in Europe? If you look at Europe alone, I would say Scissor sisters were more successfull due to the UK. (you can compare it yourself: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Lambert_discography, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scissor_Sisters_discography) But even if they would have had less success, wouldn't it be than more difficult to follow up their success with Ta-daa? There are many artists that have just one or two hits. One hit does not make anyone an estabilished artist and does not guaranty anything, especially for the next album, which in the case of the scissor sisters has been released 4 years later. I don't understand what you wanted to proof by mentioning them. About the UK: what you said about radio 1 may be true, but the influence of capital fm is bigger now, than then. 7,2 millions listeners in a country with a population of about 63 millions is great and not much less than radio 1. I'm really positiv about the UK. |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on May 31, 2012 12:09:25 GMT -5
holy moly.... Back from vacation, no way to catch up on the main thread so thought I'd check out the numbers and adds (which to me are fine IMO, within the range I expected, with room for improvement of course). I'll sum up my take by altering someone's quote from earlier in the thread "I do believe if he we can hold it together and not be disillusioned, he we can be successful contribute to Adam's success."That's really the bottom line for me. Rehashing many of the same arguments that have been disproven over and over or unresolved for the past three years regarding Adam and radio play isn't informative or interesting to me, but I understand that they might be new to others. Looking for conspiracy theories or individual bias is ultimately a no win situation in my mind. If you think it's there, you will see it everywhere, and facts to the contrary really won't sway your opinion no matter how many times they are presented. You may also consider anything anyone else brings up that supports your theory 'factual' rather than speculative. It's also a very disempowering belief system. Although Adam has referred to radio politics he has been very careful not to go down that route publicly, and from the little we know of him, I'd be very surprised if he gave into defeatist thinking privately very often. If he had, he would never have achieved everything he has so far. If somebody could pm me and let me know if someone has taken over posting daily request reminders and information about new stations spinning in the main thread that would be great. if not, i'll try to resume that, because I do think that it really does make a difference in many cases, and because Adam has asked for it. Also, 'cause I think it's fun, I kind of missed my morning requests with coffee  |
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Post by tigerlily on May 31, 2012 12:12:46 GMT -5
How? Explain! You keep posting statements like these, but where are the facts? TVOL and Haley's songs are getting LESS radio attention than BTIKM or NCOE when you look at equal time frame! These two songs are peaking, BTIKM peaked higher on HAC. How does that prove a gay bias? The bias lies in that I personally think they are not on the same level as Adam. I actually agree with your previous posts where you said you draw your conclusion from following the charts either here, mjs or pulse etc since I basically do the same. Aren't I therefore allowed to have my own thots or perception of things? I bring links here to justify my thots or make references fans are familiar with most of the time and do not just speak in vacuum. Sure, but the facts don't back up your gay bias claim for these three songs. HAC is more interested in Adam's singles than in TVOL or Free. That is a fact based on statistics and numbers. That proves the OPPOSITE of a gay bias when you compare these three songs! Show me the facts that say there is a gay bias when it comes to these three songs! |
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Post by aralid on May 31, 2012 12:13:50 GMT -5
How? Explain! You keep posting statements like these, but where are the facts? TVOL and Haley's songs are getting LESS radio attention than BTIKM or NCOE when you look at equal time frame! These two songs are peaking, BTIKM peaked higher on HAC. How does that prove a gay bias? The bias lies in that I personally think they are not on the same level as Adam. I actually agree with your previous posts where you said you draw your conclusion from following the charts either here, mjs or pulse etc since I basically do the same. Aren't I therefore allowed to have my own thots or perception of things? I bring links here to justify my thots or make references fans are familiar with most of the time and do not just speak in vacuum. That's not a prove for me. As far as I know both needed so much time to get to that position and Adam is #38 in the week of his add date and has a better bullet. I don't see there any bias. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 12:19:32 GMT -5
Yes Adam is successful for now, but from what I know following, he wants to maintain his success and wants to more successful. Can anyone remember what he said in his last Rolling Stone article? He is an ambitious man that wants to make it in the music industry. This is why he is working so hard and taking on as many radio gigs as possible just to be on the radio. He has said he wants just smash hit he believes would change everything for him. Adam has been a success for the last 13 years in one regard or another. He was a working theater actor prior to going on Idol and he booked gigs frequently enough that he was supporting himself that way. He is making it in the music industry. I've never once heard him say a smash hit would change everything for him. Can you post that interview? He did not say he didn't want to play the Queen game because he has his own album. He was saying that he's been listening to the Trespassing songs for so long he might not remember the Queen lyrics and he didn't want to embarrass himself. Luckily he did fantastic with the game and it was fun. He's quick to correct people about the Queen thing because it gets people riled up and he wants to respect and honor Freddie's memory not replace him. Everyone knows the importance of radio gbam. I disagree completely that without radio he will fizzle away. There are PLENTY of artists who never get radio play and they remain successful and popular. Adam is doing everything right, his label is behind him, he's got an international fanbase and if U.S. radio doesn't play him at the same level as they play others it's not the end of things. There's a big world beyond the U.S. borders and interestingly enough, Adam seems very popular there. I'm in the camp that believes that Adam's career will work out exactly the way it is meant to work out for him. |
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Post by tigerlily on May 31, 2012 12:21:32 GMT -5
Q102 added, but not playing much, Boston supposedly have added and not playing much. My big question is what gives? He did their damn concerts, and lesser singers are getting more spins. I just don't get it. What gives? Your definition of lesser singers is not the same definition from 15-30 year olds who listen to CHR. Pop music is about the beat and fun, catchy songs. Listeners don't care if the singer has a 4 octave range or if the singer is singing with Queen over in the UK. They want a fun summer song or some cool sounds and beats. There are 100s of songs that get sent to PDs every month. Only the lucky few ever make it to the Top 40 on CHR. Lesser singers have been topping the charts for years and years. Being the "best singer" does not guarantee anything as far as radio goes. Radio isn't a vocal contest. |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 12:25:45 GMT -5
Yes it is easy for them to get together since they are owned by the same 5 or 6 firms. You need to tell me how radio knows when to pull a plug on a song for example. I have noticed when a song starts peaking for instance, several radio stations pull the plug almost at the same time. There must be an agreement among them as to how high or low a song must go and they work to accomplish that. Every coglomerate has board meetings especially one where the corporates decide what get done and that is very basic economy 101. Secondly can you pull out how many foreign artists not from Britain there are charting in the US despite their popularity in their own regions? You would see American artists all over every country chart than you would see their own no.1 charting star on an American music chart.
Bringing up the album chart is twisting the discussion a bit in my opinion since artists not named Adele generally sell singles heard on the radio than an album. Why not link to the singles sale charts instead?And this is another article that might interest you. Note this is one of Adams Primary markets in fye era and his album recently debuted top 10 there from his existing fan base since he is presently not enjoying radio support there: www.auspop.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/adam-lambert-never-close-our-eyes.html: www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10songs.htmlAs you can see, the same thing holds true on the single's chart. The top 10 in the US are not the same in other countries. It also looks like, here lately, artists from Canada and the UK are the ones who are controlling the charts around the world. The US does not dictate what gets played in the rest of the world. Songs from Carly Jae, Gotye, One Direction and now Alex Cross were big in other parts of the world before the US started playing them. What is this article? Some random article from a website in Australia? This doesn't tell me anything or prove a thing. I just caught up with this page and your reply. Sorry you actually twisted what I meant. I never spoke about top 10 singles or albums. What I said was that America influences other market playlists and this is why you would see more American acts on their charts than you would see their own popular acts with the exception of the British acts that America radio loves to play. Hardly would you see an artist from Austalia, Germany, Japan, Africa, finland etc charting on american charts whereas when you open those countries official charts or iTunes, you would see American acts all over it. Sighting Goyte who I think is from Austalia does not disprove this fact. Other than him, how many other Aussie act has caught a break in the US? And your history of Carly Jepen is also not right since she caught first break here in the US. She was just a local Canadian act until she was signed by Bieber who tweeted her song out to his followers. She did not start smashing across the world until then that she started receiving Radioplay from the US. Her story as told by herself and Bieber is on YouTube on her Ellen show appearance. Lastly that blog is an Aussie music blog like that of Pulse you name checked here and is also a very popular one just like UKMix that is a British one. Singles or albums. |
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Post by tigerlily on May 31, 2012 12:35:29 GMT -5
gbam: At this point, you are ignoring facts and posting every negative angle you can think of. You come in the numbers thread about once a month to do this exact thing and it really doesn't do anything but cause those, who aren't up on the current state of Pop radio, to panic and feel down. Is that your purpose? The regulars in this thread are aware enough of the patterns and charts to know that the majority of what you are posting is just wild speculations that aren't based on cold hard facts. I'm bowing out of further dialog with you, because I believe it is just adding to what you are trying to accomplish. It is just stirring the pot and upsetting fans at this point. |
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