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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 12:39:51 GMT -5
Adam is definitely not viewed the same as the 'Scissors Sisters' because he is bigger than them. He had more than two hits in notable countries accross the world including the US while they had just one hit and were never able to catch a break back at home. I used them as an example of US artists who broke outside the US and that did not translate into acceptance on US radio contrary to what some are saying that when you hit outside the US, then the PDs would be jumping over themselves to play you as that is not true. Gaga worked because at the same time she was breaking overseas, her gay followershing was building at home. She always says she owns her career to the gays as they helped break her when radio wouldn't play her songs. she was scoring club hits in the gay clubs which gave her sales and with that her popularity kept growing. Adam unfortunately does not that priviledge as even him has said the gays would rather support the pop girls. And they are either saying he is either too gay or not gay enough. As to One Direction comparison, that is another story entirely. If anything it exposes how pathetic the US PDs are. They would rather play manufactured talent shows acts from abroad than their very own. And it is not just those boys, now their is Cher Lloryd too from the same show. She got about 25 adds on Pop when her song went for adds about 3 weeks ago and is currently charting in the top 40. This is A luxury UK radio does give to American talent show act. The UK BBC radio refused to play any American idol act on their radio and discriminate against them. UK was the only market that Adam's world wide smash did not chart. I know they play Kelly and that is because she was the first and was lunched there on another 'World Idol' she participated in after her win and she has had smashes in the US that helped her too. Jordin is another one that got her break their during the huge era of Chris Brown who she dueted with. Weren't we talking about the success of the scissor sisters and Adam in Europe? If you look at Europe alone, I would say Scissor sisters were more successfull due to the UK. (you can compare it yourself: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Lambert_discography, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scissor_Sisters_discography) But even if they would have had less success, wouldn't it be than more difficult to follow up their success with Ta-daa? There are many artists that have just one or two hits. One hit does not make anyone an estabilished artist and does not guaranty anything, especially for the next album, which in the case of the scissor sisters has been released 4 years later. I don't understand what you wanted to proof by mentioning them. About the UK: what you said about radio 1 may be true, but the influence of capital fm is bigger now, than then. 7,2 millions listeners in a country with a population of about 63 millions is great and not much less than radio 1. I'm really positiv about the UK. I brought them up to say that it is not true that the US radio would suddenly want to play a US act that becomes huge abroad. And they were indeed huge at some point since 'I don't feel like dancing' was a huge for them all over the world with the exception of the US and even got them a nomination on the british Grammies version. Yet all this did not make those PDs blink an eye in their direction. You can see all these by yourself if you continue reading their wiki page. I answered the Capital add question myself already. I said they are bigger than they were when they added FYE and hope Adam can garner enough sales and exposure should BBC still refuse to add him. So I was not saying anything different from you on this point. |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on May 31, 2012 12:44:06 GMT -5
Since it does get a little hard to sort out the tangle of actual facts from speculation and 'truthiness' (tm colbert) if you aren't regularly reading at a lot of other places as well, IMHO tigerlily and sagajo (when she stops by) are quite well informed and rational to boot. So thanks guys!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 12:47:42 GMT -5
gbam, keep posting your thoughts. You make sense. I think with my heart, I need facts to walk thru the radio unknowns. I wish I had this magical wand to change it all. What really bothers me are the dj's are nothing but complementaryat these concerts when they speak to Adam. He makes the top 10 in their on-line survey and gets played, but is not placed on rotation. That is where it all becomes blurry for me. There are lesser talents, with crap voices and stupid songs being played in rotation. It just doesn't compute for me. This is all a matter of opinion. To you they are crap songs, crap voices and lesser talents. I'd be curious how much radio some of us listened to prior to discoverying Adam. I've listened to top 40, HAC and alt rock radio forever so I'm very familiar with what gets played. I love most of what is on the radio and that is why I think Adam should be played...because he fits right in. |
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Post by kathleenpf on May 31, 2012 12:50:37 GMT -5
gbam: At this point, you are ignoring facts and posting every negative angle you can think of. You come in the numbers thread about once a month to do this exact thing and it really doesn't do anything but cause those, who aren't up on the current state of Pop radio, to panic and feel down. Is that your purpose? The regulars in this thread are aware enough of the patterns and charts to know that the majority of what you are posting is just wild speculations that aren't based on cold hard facts. I'm bowing out of further dialog with you, because I believe it is just adding to what you are trying to accomplish.  It is just stirring the pot and upsetting fans at this point. I appreciate this post, Tigerlilly. I'm not a numbers regular but I do lurk here because I find some of the posts very interesting and informative. But even I can smell shit stirring from a mile away. There are several very knowledgeable posters here that present the facts and analyze the data in a fairly dispassionate way. Unfortunately, there are also a number of chicken little posts and some that border on pure histrioncs (OMG RADIO HATES BB WHY????????). I think this is why many of us stay away from the numbers thread. |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 12:50:46 GMT -5
The bias lies in that I personally think they are not on the same level as Adam. I actually agree with your previous posts where you said you draw your conclusion from following the charts either here, mjs or pulse etc since I basically do the same. Aren't I therefore allowed to have my own thots or perception of things? I bring links here to justify my thots or make references fans are familiar with most of the time and do not just speak in vacuum. Sure, but the facts don't back up your gay bias claim for these three songs. HAC is more interested in Adam's singles than in TVOL or Free. That is a fact based on statistics and numbers. That proves the OPPOSITE of a gay bias when you compare these three songs! Show me the facts that say there is a gay bias when it comes to these three songs! I think this is where we are misunderstanding each other. My angst is about mainstream radio which is POP and I care very little about HAC. I would want Adam given his due and gets added to POP stations automatically like artists of his calibre. Maybe I am being overly obsessed with my staning here, but I am one of those A's fans that hate him being compared to AI acts. Compare him to Carrie or Kelly, I am cool with that. Compare him to those other ones, not so much (apologies to People that stan one of those). Lastly I said the same thing you said about their chart runs and the only where we differ is you want to use them to prove A is not being discriminated against by PDs since they are having similar radio struggles while I on the other hand feel they are not worthy of being compared to A...IMO of course. |
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Post by jo on May 31, 2012 12:51:04 GMT -5
Yes Adam is successful for now, but from what I know following, he wants to maintain his success and wants to more successful. Can anyone remember what he said in his last Rolling Stone article? He is an ambitious man that wants to make it in the music industry. This is why he is working so hard and taking on as many radio gigs as possible just to be on the radio. He has said he wants just smash hit he believes would change everything for him. Adam has been a success for the last 13 years in one regard or another. He was a working theater actor prior to going on Idol and he booked gigs frequently enough that he was supporting himself that way. He is making it in the music industry. I've never once heard him say a smash hit would change everything for him. Can you post that interview? He did not say he didn't want to play the Queen game because he has his own album. He was saying that he's been listening to the Trespassing songs for so long he might not remember the Queen lyrics and he didn't want to embarrass himself. Luckily he did fantastic with the game and it was fun. He's quick to correct people about the Queen thing because it gets people riled up and he wants to respect and honor Freddie's memory not replace him. Everyone knows the importance of radio gbam. I disagree completely that without radio he will fizzle away. There are PLENTY of artists who never get radio play and they remain successful and popular. Adam is doing everything right, his label is behind him, he's got an international fanbase and if U.S. radio doesn't play him at the same level as they play others it's not the end of things. There's a big world beyond the U.S. borders and interestingly enough, Adam seems very popular there. I'm in the camp that believes that Adam's career will work out exactly the way it is meant to work out for him. Well, I'm not in the camp that believes all things work out the way they are suppose to. Adam's career is being controlled by radio here in America and if they don't play his songs, his career is over for what he wants to do which is being a pop star. You have to have radio to be a pop star and sell albums and then get a tour. How else is it going to happen? I do see him doing well overseas, but without radio here in America, he won't do well here. I do think the "gay" plays a role in radio ignoring him but I also think the main problem right now is the songs themselves. BTIKM and NCOE are mediocre songs compared to everything else on his album. Let those songs lose and I think he would be fine. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 13:00:25 GMT -5
Well, I'm not in the camp that believes all things work out the way they are suppose to. Adam's career is being controlled by radio here in America and if they don't play his songs, his career is over for what he wants to do which is being a pop star. You have to have radio to be a pop star and sell albums and then get a tour. Adam wants to have a successful music career. I've never heard him say he wants to be the biggest pop star in the world. I guess I'm just not getting all the angst when the song is rising on the charts, just has a fantastic add week and the album is only 2 weeks old. NCOE is NOT a mediocre song. It's a well crafted pop song with a strong hook and beat. I have to wonder if either BTIKM or NCOE had been co-written by adam if the opinion of their weakness would be different. BOTH are fantastic songs. |
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Post by smokeyvera on May 31, 2012 13:01:34 GMT -5
I think if less time was spent dissecting and more time spent on radio requests and doing surveys, voting in countdowns, Adam might be in better shape.
I hate it all, but I do it religiously, and I find myself getting anxious because I wonder for all the hard work, how many are actually doing it, and will it eventually have an impact.
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 13:04:58 GMT -5
gbam: At this point, you are ignoring facts and posting every negative angle you can think of. You come in the numbers thread about once a month to do this exact thing and it really doesn't do anything but cause those, who aren't up on the current state of Pop radio, to panic and feel down. Is that your purpose? The regulars in this thread are aware enough of the patterns and charts to know that the majority of what you are posting is just wild speculations that aren't based on cold hard facts. I'm bowing out of further dialog with you, because I believe it is just adding to what you are trying to accomplish. It is just stirring the pot and upsetting fans at this point. Now you did take it personal. I don't see how only some people in a special club are allowed to speculate and analyze radio patterns. My discussions are always supported with either quoting Adam himself or posting links. I analyze things based on this and I am an avid follower of the charts and read other artists career trajectories on the radio just to understand radio patterns. If you can freely post your thots and analysis here, so should any fan. Moreover I think it is wrong for a poster to moderate another one or want to tell someone what she has a right to post. My analysis of the radio might mean not much to you, but they are others here enjoying the discussion and no one is being forced fed anything. We are all fans at the end of the day and only differ in that while some think A is not being discriminated against, others like me feel he is and that he deserves more than hé is currently getting. Everyone is free to believe what she chooses to believe as we are all adults IMO. And pls stop calling me names by saying I show up once a month to bring gloom and doom as that is not true. I am very sure this is not my first time of posting this month neither is that my intent at all. |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on May 31, 2012 13:06:22 GMT -5
gbam: At this point, you are ignoring facts and posting every negative angle you can think of. You come in the numbers thread about once a month to do this exact thing and it really doesn't do anything but cause those, who aren't up on the current state of Pop radio, to panic and feel down. Is that your purpose? The regulars in this thread are aware enough of the patterns and charts to know that the majority of what you are posting is just wild speculations that aren't based on cold hard facts. I'm bowing out of further dialog with you, because I believe it is just adding to what you are trying to accomplish. It is just stirring the pot and upsetting fans at this point. I appreciate this post, Tigerlilly. I'm not a numbers regular but I do lurk here because I find some of the posts very interesting and informative. But even I can smell shit stirring from a mile away. There are several very knowledgeable posters here that present the facts and analyze the data in a fairly dispassionate way. Unfortunately, there are also a number of chicken little posts and some that border on pure histrioncs (OMG RADIO HATES BB WHY????????). I think this is why many of us stay away from the numbers thread. I appreciate your input too, tigerlily. I appreciate the facts and figures laid out in a non-dramatic facts-and-figures way with comparables that I can understand and not get the feeling that the Adam sky is falling every day. 8-) ETA- NCOE and BTIKM mediocre? Not for me. |
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It is just stirring the pot and upsetting fans at this point. 