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Post by nikki on Jun 24, 2012 11:47:52 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm missing something here, or not understanding. I read David as saying that it is the degree of the shift to moral relativism that is the defining difference between the generations. Not the behaviour itself, but its moral context. And it matters, because that shift from the absolutes that David is articulating allows for radically different answers to: is there a problem at all? What is it? How is it solved?
And Junie ;D to Shady ladies.
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Post by LindaG23 on Jun 24, 2012 18:32:33 GMT -5
I was thinking tonight about ... Joy. Mulling the discussion of beauty, it occurred to me maybe it's less about gender, archetypes, mythos, etc. - than mindfulness and the ability to appreciate beauty in a no-ego way that lets in joy. I mean, we can intellectualize it, deconstruct it, debate its merits, but simply reveling in the experience is often lost. Taking pleasure in beauty in small, organic, everyday ways has often become quaint or a sign of eccentricity. So I will make my first post on this complex thread with a story that really happened to me and I know with confidence that readers here will appreciate its simple pleasure. Mika, your musing on joy brought the whole thing back. I was driving into the complex where I work a couple of weeks ago, inching forward to have my ID checked. I didn't mind though because directly in front of me was the most glorious sunrise in spectacular colors of orange, rose, and a shade of day-glow vermilion that is hard to describe and that I had never seen before; I was awed. As a drove up to the young guard with my window open to show him my ID I said, "Isn't that an amazing sunrise" and he looked up with a quizzical look on his face and back at me and said, "It's kind of pink."
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, so I just said, "Yes it is!" I may have already lost the shade of color from my memory, but the feeling of beauty lingers. Most importantly now, anytime I need a good shake of the head, what is this crazy world coming to, half smile moment I just think, "It's kind of pink". |
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Post by irish1139 on Jun 24, 2012 18:33:47 GMT -5
I just got back from vacation. I am so far behind, it is overwhelming. I was going through my voice mail messages when I got home, and my ex-daughter in-law called me from her car with all my granddaughters shouting "gramma, gramma, Adam Lambert is on the radio." The 11-year old is shouting "I love Adam Lambert, Gramma. He is so good." Brightened my spirits the first five minutes of walking in the door. Isn't it wonderful when people you love, happen to love Adam Lambert too. I have sent them all his songs and albums, and I feel wonderful that they appreciate and love my main man Adam. I am still feeling overwhelmed and not knowing what has happened this last week. I must catch up.  |
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Post by nikki on Jun 24, 2012 20:42:19 GMT -5
Yes, Irish, the joy. Here's the real joy for me. It'll be my turn soon, I hope   |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2012 22:16:29 GMT -5
That picture says it all. I think what we talked about all weekend was really the loss of community, the loss of the idea that we are all in this together ... it's every man for himself these days.
THAT is what Adam really offers, what draws people to him -- the ability to connect people in this crazy world.
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Post by annala on Jun 25, 2012 0:11:50 GMT -5
I loved reading NoAngel's post and seeing the pictures and hearing the interviews with Adam and all today at the Summerthing in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco.
I was in San Francisco today also, but doing something different. My granddaughter and her friend (both young teenagers) had wanted to attend the Gay Pride Parade, and so today we did it. I had thought about trying to combine it with Adam's thing, but seeing as that would have been nearly impossible, we did the parade instead (although I thought about Adam - so near and yet so far).
Well, our time at the Gay Pride Parade turned out to be something really special with the crowds, the participants, the diversity, the color, the singing and dancing, the love, and the fun. Lots of highlights, but one group in particular struck me - a small contingent of young Mormons carrying signs saying "We support Gay Marriage" and "We support LGBT Rights" - more power to them! My thought at the time - the times they are indeed a-changing.
While we wore our beads and waved our rainbow flags, for my granddaughter's friend, this was a very special day as she just "came out" last week, and she was so happy, waving, hugging, greeting people, and just having a great time. She told me she is thinking about starting an LGBT group in her high school next fall, and I hope she does. Today was her coming out celebration, and I was happy to be a part of it.
As for missing out on Adam today - well, I'll be seeing him in less than a month in SoCal - so I think how we spent this special Gay Pride Day was worth it.
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Post by mika on Jun 25, 2012 2:01:38 GMT -5
I loved reading NoAngel's post and seeing the pictures and hearing the interviews with Adam and all today at the Summerthing in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. I was in San Francisco today also, but doing something different. My granddaughter and her friend (both young teenagers) had wanted to attend the Gay Pride Parade, and so today we did it. I had thought about trying to combine it with Adam's thing, but seeing as that would have been nearly impossible, we did the parade instead (although I thought about Adam - so near and yet so far). Well, our time at the Gay Pride Parade turned out to be something really special with the crowds, the participants, the diversity, the color, the singing and dancing, the love, and the fun. Lots of highlights, but one group in particular struck me - a small contingent of young Mormons carrying signs saying "We support Gay Marriage" and "We support LGBT Rights" - more power to them! My thought at the time - the times they are indeed a-changing. While we wore our beads and waved our rainbow flags, for my granddaughter's friend, this was a very special day as she just "came out" last week, and she was so happy, waving, hugging, greeting people, and just having a great time. She told me she is thinking about starting an LGBT group in her high school next fall, and I hope she does. Today was her coming out celebration, and I was happy to be a part of it. As for missing out on Adam today - well, I'll be seeing him in less than a month in SoCal - so I think how we spent this special Gay Pride Day was worth it. I think Adam would whole heartedly approve of how you spent your day! What a beautiful story, Annala - so wonderful of you to take the girls to Pride. The times are changing in a lot of ways. And so glad you will be seeing Adam soon.  |
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Post by mika on Jun 25, 2012 2:14:52 GMT -5
I may have already lost the shade of color from my memory, but the feeling of beauty lingers. Most importantly now, anytime I need a good shake of the head, what is this crazy world coming to, half smile moment I just think, "It's kind of pink". I loved this too and it made me smile. Well, maybe you got him to give those 'kinda pink' sunrises a second look after that |
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Post by jamie on Jun 25, 2012 2:20:08 GMT -5
LindaG... 'It's kinda pink' made me laugh. It reminded me of that Color Purple quote, “I think it pisses God off if you walk by the color purple in a field somewhere and don't notice it. People think pleasing God is all God cares about. But any fool living in the world can see it always trying to please us back.” irish Get that girl a cell phone and give her all the radio stations numbers! ;D They won't be able to resist her enthusiasm. Sadly, all my attempts to convert my young relatives have all ended up with them laughing at me like I'm weirder that they already suspected. Niki and Junie, that picture is pure joy. To people who say 'eh, he's ok' about adam. It's like Linda G's story, why can't they seee?? annala, What a beautiful day you had! Thank you for sharing. I imagine it's a day your grandaughter's friend will never forget. Loved hearing about the young mormons too. Gives hope for the future. ETA: Looks up. Hey mika *waves* You type faster than I do. You weren't here when I started.
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Post by jamie on Jun 25, 2012 2:44:53 GMT -5
Greetings! I love the coining of the fandom word 'bert'. It's a noun (we are 'berts'), but also an active verb. I'm berting, I want to bert, we are berting. To bert is to revel in the joy. To laugh, to be awestruck, to be moved, to be turned on, to be intrigued by Adam and his music. To be in the moment as observer and participant, as Adam is almost always present and in the moment. I love this too. I love how you described the word, it also reminded me of that video that went around here about that many uses of the word fuck. ( That day when twitterland was cramming in as many fucks in a tweet as possible was hilarious. How did that start? I forget.) I would love to see a fan video describing the many uses of the word bert using that guy's voice... Bert as a noun is used to describe a fan of Adam Lambert. Some are recognizable by their love of blue eyeshadow and generous use of glitter. More recently, they may also be spotted by the wearing of the color black and yellow. They may also adorn themselves in trespassing tape. Although if they were too much they may risk being called a 'Cray' rather than a bert. "Did you see that lady wearing a ball gown made of trespassing tape? She's cray."
The are many highly regarded entertains who are consider Berts.
It is not yet determined who the biggest bert among them are. Meatloaf is holding a steady lead but others include Brian May, Slash, Nancy Sinatra, Nina Garcia and Mia Farrow are still in the running. Paula Abdul is widely considered The Original Bert.
Often a bert can disguise themselves as normal members of society. If you suspect someone may be a bert but are uncertain, utter the Phrase 'Adam Lambert should have won American Idol'. A true bert will not be able to stop talking for at least 5 minutes before they realize their cover has been blown. Do not be alarmed. They are excited not hostile.
Bert can also be used as a verb.... ok I'm too lazy to keep going and I'm mixing Berts and Glambert meanings up I think. ??? If video were to happened a real writer would have to be called in obviously ;D |
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