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Post by QueeenAl on May 5, 2013 3:16:05 GMT -5
when I first screamed out to my friends and coworkers, that Adam would finally be at the Life Ball this year (a very old dream of mine) their first reaction always was: and are you going as well? and my first answer always was - no way ... much too - well, too much - for me ... I am not gay, I am not colourfull, fashionable, beautiful, I am not ..... at all like THAT!!!!! I love it, I love Adam for it, but it is not ME.
Reading mszue and annala above ... well, I just might at least go to the public parts of the event and see what I can see of the red ribbon walkway at the Rathausplatz etc.
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Post by lynne on May 5, 2013 5:46:09 GMT -5
Hi all, My semester is almost over, so I can join in on the conversation again soon. Miss you guys! My semester ends at the end of this month, too. I'm looking forward to having more time to "chat" as well
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 12:53:34 GMT -5
Well here I am again... Want an opinion. Has anyone made a comment or noted Will I Am's choice of costume when he was on idol last week?
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Post by happy on May 5, 2013 13:08:03 GMT -5
I noticed. It reminded me of a blackface minstrel show. Maybe he is reclaiming that part of American culture.
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Post by Holst on May 5, 2013 14:10:45 GMT -5
I noticed. It reminded me of a blackface minstrel show. Maybe he is reclaiming that part of American culture. So will. i. am. can sing a bit and dance a bit. Not too good at either one. Most definitely minstrel. Here is a YouTube that I show my 6th grade music class when we start the musical theater unit. Check out the band in the background. Uncanny resemblance. I'm so glad that when I show this to the kids, they pretty much drop their jaws at the racism. We saw a bit of blackface in a video last week about the Great American Songbook for my 8th graders too. They did the same thing. They could hardly continue focusing on the rest of the video for a couple minutes. My hope is that in times to come, the same thing will happen when young people see how gays have been treated and portrayed. Minstrel shows were a main source of entertainment for decades and helped create and perpetuate many stereotypes about blacks being dumb, lazy, watermelon-loving, etc. However, it was part of the times and I'd venture to guess that most people didn't stop to think about the racism. Maybe Junie Moon or some of our other historian/social science gurus can enlighten us more. Finally the tide is turning for the LGBTQ community. It's no longer okay (at least not PC) to make fun of them. We have a ways to go there. And certainly racism has not ended either.
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Post by Gemstone on May 5, 2013 17:11:28 GMT -5
In South Africa we are so proud of our minstrels. Link to wiki on them en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaapse_KlopseOn the 2nd of January each year it is one big carnival in the streets of Cape Town, and to participate they go through screenings and auditions, it's a huge occasion. The costumes are brightly coloured, are made months in advance and are kept secret until the event. During the carnival there are singing competitions, best dressed competition, etc etc. One big party in Cape Town. The reason why it is held on the 2nd of January is because they worked in the houses as cooks, nannies, general workers, farm labourers etc and on New Years day they were on duty to clean, cook and watch the children while their bosses/madams were having New Years parties. It was a tradition that the workers get a day off on 2nd of January. That's when they have their New Years celebrations. It's also known as "2de nuwe jaar" or "2nd new year". Even today with the abolishment of apartheid, the tradition of 2nd new year are still important and are celebrated.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 18:06:01 GMT -5
So I see I wasn't the only one, but I did find it to be in poor taste. A story... My Dh was in the er recovery room after extensive surgery and was having a difficult time regaining consciousnesses to the point he was fighting and trying to pull out his IV. While I wasn't supposed to be there, they came for me hoping I could calm him. The nurse was a young black man who kept calling him Boss! Ok scene set. Did manage to get DH calm or rather calmer as it seems he has adverse reactions to some of the high power pain meds and he was under for 8 hours. The nurse and I were talking as he monitored DH but he just kept on calling DH Boss. I finally just had to ask why. He was from LA, no southern recent relatives and thought the word was just showing respect to an older man and didn't know the history of a black man calling a white man boss. So times they have changed, but with Will I Am I would bet he did it with full knowledge of the meaning behind his production. I don't understand this nor the use of the N word when so many people have worked and died to eliminate racism. Why keep it alive? How many young children would know the N word if it were not kept alive by the "rap" community? eta: Gemstone see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth A similar type of celebration remembering emancipation. Just that a lot of people were not told about it until after the crops were in that year.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 18:26:40 GMT -5
What an interesting topic!!!
I have to admit I am not very familiar with will.i.am's music. I have seen the Black Eyed Peas (is that what they're called?) on TV and thought they were a lot of fun, but never been inspired to look any further into their music. So that is really all I know about them.
From what I understand, minstrel music was the first genuinely American art form of music, even before jazz. It's hard to believe how popular it was, but it was the leading form of popular entertainment for decades and decades. The first great American composer, Stephen Foster, wrote minstrel music -- he blazed the trail of writing interesting, emotionally complex music rather than just slapstick comic tunes. The first great American superstar was Al Jolson and he sang minstrel music, including a lot of Foster's by-then "oldies."
I have read occasionally about artists trying to reclaim the vast catalog and tradition of minstrel music but it seems insurmountably difficult to me. Perhaps that is what will.i.am had in mind.
Some say the minstrel tradition is alive and well. Spike Lee in particular has harshly criticized some black performers for essentially acting like minstrels. I remember the man who played Jack on Will and Grace was also accused of being a gay minstrel by some. :(
P.S. grandduchess, that story about Juneteenth is a bit of a myth. Blacks in Texas knew about Emancipation, there just wasn't anything they could do about it until the war was over. The date was the day that federal troops arrived in Texas and read the proclamation. And since everyone was starving, there wasn't much to celebrate, just a lot of uncertainty about what to do next. Later, they did reclaim the day and now it's something really special.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 23:20:51 GMT -5
Junnie I figured the Texas part was an exaggeration but every source I quickly looked at had the same data to one degree or another. As a native Texan I do know the myths that abound but had never heard this one!
Its interesting you mention Stephen Foster. When I was a little girl we were in Kentucky and visited a home where he supposedly wrote "Ole Kentucky Home". I even sat at his piano! Made quite an impression on me!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 6:41:44 GMT -5
Grandduchess, I didn't know you were a native Texan. You are one up on me. I didn't get here until I was 2. Back in the day on ALFC, I was friends with a Japanese fan, and she wrote a great blog about how popular Stephen Foster still is in Japan. Going to Stephen Foster's house is one of the main things that Japanese music fans want to do when they come to the US. They know a lot more about our musical heritage than we do. Pretty interesting.
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