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Post by mszue on Jul 18, 2012 11:00:18 GMT -5
You make great points Juniemoon.... Of all the music genres available to him, Adam has picked the worst possible one for longevity and respect...he must really like pop and challenge. Rock musicians hang in there for years, as do Country artists, Musical theatre and, of course, the Classical and the Crooner/easy listening. But the pop stars have to branch into some other avenue, or disappear. Even Madonna is struggling to regain full admission to pop...Brittany has toured till she had a breakdown and is now trying TV... the big names of just a few years ago or nowhere to be found on radio....and it would seem that we have decided that Radio has a stranglehold on pop. The good news is that the artists that had to really struggle for acceptance, and that were game-changers are the ones that are still around. The bad news is that so far...in his music...Adam has not been fully engaged in being a game-changer. He keeps trying to play the game that is there....In my opinion, that won't ultimately get him where he wants to go....if he was going to be an 'overnight' sensation, it would have happened already SO time to refocus. Whatever that means and/or entails. He has the talent and the courage...he just has not quite faced that yet. Or perhaps this is where he actually has little say in the matter because of contractual obligations. Maybe Queen is Adam's Porter Waggoner....he needs to build his name and radio is not inclined to help ... In a perfect world now, Adam would replace Sacsha Baron Cohen, win an oscar nom, record an Album of new and under-heard Queen material, along with a record-breaking film soundtrack. Then he could do whatever he damn well wanted to do..... now I realize that is my perfect world and not Adam's....so don't think I would ever want him to do something he didn't want to do....I just think it would be the 'backdoor' way to get where he wants to be. eta....I just watched this Show must go on vid and it shows what I was trying to explain about a 'full mouth' of words...more in the first minute or so. My other comment...I noticed this when we first saw the vids of Adam ripping his pants but nobody commented and I forgot...is he possibly wearing some form of tights or nylons on his legs to facilitate quick changes?? You don't see a flash of 'white' when he moves around but at one point you do see leg...just not skin...that is a pretty big rip. It would make sense as peeling off leather from a sweaty leg and then putting on more tight pants would be killer when rushing....the putting on worse than the taking off....just a thought...I know we see pantie elastic and bare feet but still....  now this is hardly a poetic post worthy of the moon garden...please don't banish me....we are all more than just our brain you know...hahaha |
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Post by Alison on Jul 18, 2012 12:41:27 GMT -5
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Post by melliemom on Jul 18, 2012 12:57:59 GMT -5
I don't see Adam making it really big anytime soon on U.S.radio, whether some don't want to believe that his problem on the air waves has to do with homophobia or not. Adam has said that Trespassing is about his life and in parts about the LGBT Community.This in itself is enough to keep many of the fearful from buying this wonderful CD. He took a risk, in order to be honest.So where is this LGBT Community to support Adam , his music and themselves?? Adam has said he was going for we're all alike, straight&gay in our emotions,we laugh,we love,we want acceptance ,we hurt.We're all human with Universal feelings. In fairness, RCA supported Adam in his quest to be open with Trespassing.Hats off to them.. even though their push for radio play hasn't worked out.
How many other artists would have dared to be so vulnerable especially with a second album?
I believe the lack of sales of this artistic CD speaks volumes.. It angers me that many of the people who should take this album into their hearts with gratitude are silent and unsupportive.
IMHO,This album has civil rights /human rights at It's core.It's Adams's dream and hope for a more civilized world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 16:17:29 GMT -5
annala, the Idol panel you mentioned would be amazing. I'm still very uneasy about Adam returning to Idol but it could be OK if it was class like this. I hope you and your nephew have an amazing time in CM!!
mszue, Maybe Queen is Adam's Porter Waggoner has to be one of the best sentences ever posted on Atop. :D
First things first. It seems likely that Adam wears some kind of hose under his pants to facilitate costume changes. And I have always wondered if the pants were not quite what they seem -- stretchy rather than confining, knit rather than woven, to allow for all that bendy dancing and optimal viewing of Adam's, um, assets. There used to be a gal on ALFC who had been in professional theater and knew about these things. Wish she were still around so I could ask her.
I have thought many times of her and other fans who just vanished during the long wait and many delays. Where did they go and do they even know about Trespassing?
I too have been thinking about the Freddie biopic. Adam doesn't look anything at all like Freddie. I wonder if that would just be a deal killer. Such a role would be a huge risk with Adam's lack of real acting experience, but also star-making, just incredible if it were to occur and he could pull it off. I can imagine the intensity with which he would work at it.
As far as Adam's direction ... I think back to when I was 30 and I was really still just starting out as a person. And as you say, Adam is still all potential as a game-changer. I consider Adam a once-in-a-generation talent on the level of Frank Sinatra (who also came to notice on a talent show, BTW). When he was 30, Sinatra was just releasing his first album ... already worried about being a washed up teen idol ... his ground-breaking work was years ahead of him.
I'm happy to admit that I can't hear any of the nuances that are discussed about Adam's vocals. I remember once I went to a Christmas party where the host had planned for everyone to sing carols. It started out pretty fun, but two of the guests were trained musicians. They interrupted each song and wrangled endlessly about what key to sing in while the rest of us, who sang on the kindergarten level, looked on helplessly as the fun vanished.
But while the efforts to discuss Adam's vocals often seem like raining on the parade for the vast majority of us clueless idiots ... I abhor the bullying and censorship that occurs on the main thread when the topic comes up. Hope that made sense.
Alison, that video with Yo-Yo Ma and Lil Buck was beautiful and touching. Yo Yo Ma is an artist I love and admire so much. I have a number of the albums he's recorded of film music and also with great Americana artists. He's brought his cello into our living rooms without ever compromising his art, and he seems so genuinely humble and nice too.
melliemom, your thoughts are always so heartfelt. I too have seen that Trespassing has arrived with a thud of indifference by the gay community, despite the support this time around of the gay press. I wonder at the reasons for the stiff arm too. One thing I have pondered lately is Adam's muddied image. From the first time I ever saw Adam, he had this bifurcated image -- gay "boy next door" from Idol / bad boy sex machine.
This ties in with what mszue posted. I thought that during Glam Nation he did a fine job of integrating the two personas into one and I expected him to build on that for Trespassing. He even seemed to salute it with the awesome video for BTIKM. But then I think NCOE was a step backwards. It was an attempt to send a "good boy" Trojan horse into radio, and it just hasn't worked. Cowardly industry homophobes still know Adam is that self-proclamed "weird fuckin' fag" ... no one is fooled.
Maybe gay men feel teased by the promise of game changing club music only to get a Bruno retread? Dunno ... Adam seems to have tons of lesbian fans. I do wonder why there are not more guy fans willing to part with 10 bucks to support one of their own. I have to say the black community during the civil rights era was light years ahead on this.
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Finally ... I hope we never get so high-minded as to not speculate about Adam's pants, what is under them or in them, or to laugh our asses off.
As an antidote to all the high-mindedness, please enjoy impressionist Jim Meskimen‘s version of Christopher Walken reciting haiku:
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Post by melliemom on Jul 18, 2012 16:52:37 GMT -5
Juniemoon...thank you for your thoughtful response.. I remain soooo frustrated for Adam.. Felt better after Frank Sinatra story.. IMHO he had some very strong armed defenders who got him that come back movie role.."From Here To Eternity"..
Adam at thirty cannot really appeal to today's teenagers.. which seems to be radio's big push.
Hmmm my Florida daughter just told me that she thinks Adam's doing great ,she keep hearing NCOE on Sirius.
WOW that's a different perspective.. I like it.
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Post by mika on Jul 19, 2012 1:04:55 GMT -5
I have been a regular and organized song requester - and it helped that i have a few addresses/numbers from dif regions. But I found the near daily running down of the new single on the newsthread by same folks hard to take and distinctly not encouraging when I'm pausing every day, twice a day to do this. I mean, I get voicing a negative opinion once, but agan and again?
NCOE doesn't sound like Bruno Mars. I get some people don't like it (never mind that some people dislike every song - hey I don't like Naked Love or Cuckoo) but the constant banging on what a worthless song it is or how it misrepresents Adam (the exec producer) has actually tainted my enjoyment of a song I genuinely liked very much.
I'm so tired in a macro sense.... and I have failed in trying to jumpstart my mojo. So color me done wth requesting - I try to do right by Adam but I honestly don' t need one more thing on my to-do list that has negative connotations.
Alison - thanks for the vid - so lovely. As a great show once said - 'Yo-Yo Ma Rules!'
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Post by Alison on Jul 19, 2012 8:24:13 GMT -5
Annala, have a wonderful time at the concert! I'm so jealous of you Californians. Mszue, we would never banish you from the Moon Garden--light, dark, deep, shallow--it's all good! Mellie, I don't know if I've ever officially responded to one of your posts, but I always appreciate the level of support and devotion you express for Adam. I am a fan.  Junie, I had to do a double take when I read this ;D First things first. It seems likely that Adam wears some kind of hose under his pants... Re: critical analysis of vocals. Junie, thanks for the support--it means a lot to the masterclass folks . Vocal analysis and "shaking your ass" aren't mutually exclusive! It is disheartening when vocal masterclass peeps are reprimanded for pointing out every nuance (good or bad)--I feel dismissed when this happens. These critiques are not disses to Adam nor are they evidence that we are not enjoying the performances. It is FUN for trained people to dissect the vocal performances. I am a singer (I took voice lessons for over 10 years) and Adam's performances are the only pop/rock vocals that I have EVER been able to be "lost in." Noticing the very rare bum note does not take away from the overall experience. But I do notice them--they are just evidence that it is not effortless for Adam--he works hard and takes it seriously. He says it ain't that deep and just have fun (and I do, believe me), but the only reason we can have this release is because he is THAT good. He struggled with one note in WWTLF from the beginning--it clearly bothered him, otherwise he would not have attempted it again. I completely understood when he adjusted his performances to omit the glory note (those versions were lovely too), but as a singer, I felt his triumph when he took a chance, dug deep into his years of training and slayed it in his last performance. Mika, I have always liked NCOE too. It's also among my teenage daughter's top three (Shady, NCOE, and Kickin' In). I don't listen to radio--I request occasionally when I am reminded in the thread, but that's it. I support Adam in my own way--buying albums and concert tickets, converting family and friends, and trying to live life in a more inspired way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 9:42:52 GMT -5
mika, I hope I didn't turn you off requesting.  My feelings about NCOE are complicated by the way the song came about and was handled, and are of interest, undoubtedly, to no one but myself. I don't know what the answer is to the "dead horse" thing with these issues. Everyone wants and deserves to have their say, but as you say the repetition can actually taint your enjoyment of something. An example for me is the subject of the divas. I love the divas, but the group consensus seems to be that the divas suck. The divas are no good. My feelings about them and reasons for liking them haven't changed, and I'm still looking forward to seeing them next week (hugs self). But that constant mental intrusion does get old. I understand that and regret when I play a part in it for someone else, even though I suppose we all must sometimes if we share honestly. As far as requesting ... I was requesting pretty faithfully since December, first for BTIKM and then NCOE. It was difficult to keep going, as none of the stations here support Adam in the least -- one station did add very late in the life of BTIKM and did not spin as far as I know. It also felt futile as I don't really believe that requests are how radio stations decide what to play, except for the handful of independents around ... that's another story. I just tried to think of it as a fan thing to do. A couple of weeks ago that discussion about how Adam's "old" fans were killing him by requesting just stopped me dead in my tracks. I knew requesting wasn't helping, but I was totally disgusted by the implication that it was harming. When the discussion moved to ideas about how we should call on the phone and try to sound younger, I just said fuck it. I'm tired of being made to feel geriatric when I'm only in my 40s. Besides, what's wrong with being geriatric? Older people -- like birthday boy Brian May, to name one -- invented jazz and rock and roll!! My dad (who is 85) is YOUNGER than Chuck Berry! I have no idea why our society stigmatizes and devalues people the way that it does! (Side note: How would sounding younger on the phone be accomplished, exactly? "Like, hello? Like, could y'all play Never Close Our Eyes by like, Adam Lambert?" Just kidding.) Re: critical analysis of vocals. Junie, thanks for the support--it means a lot to the masterclass folks . Vocal analysis and "shaking your ass" aren't mutually exclusive! It is disheartening when vocal masterclass peeps are reprimanded for pointing out every nuance (good or bad)--I feel dismissed when this happens. These critiques are not disses to Adam nor are they evidence that we are not enjoying the performances. It is FUN for trained people to dissect the vocal performances. I am a singer (I took voice lessons for over 10 years) and Adam's performances are the only pop/rock vocals that I have EVER been able to be "lost in." I understand! A couple of months ago, I so wanted to talk about NCOE as an artistic statement, what was the video story trying to say, did it succeed, how could it have been better, etc. I'm a writer, it's fun to analyze these things. When I watch a movie or a play or read a book, I like to sit around after and kick around the plot and other elements and talk about how they were great or how they could have been better. Wow, did I get handed my head. It was so not worth it, there was no basis for a fun rational discussion. This place didn't exist then so maybe we can give it a go when Adam has another video or the like.
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Post by Holst on Jul 19, 2012 9:54:14 GMT -5
I agree with so many things that have been said on this page. Mika, the dissing of NCOE bothers me too. Dance songs are generally not my favorite, but it seems good and doesn't remind me of Bruno. I can't remember how many times in interviews Adam has said enthusiastically how much he loves this song, how it speaks to him. Or that the few songs on the album that he did not write were just too good not to include. (Of course, he might be fibbing.) I don't understand why some fans say these songs are not the real Adam or that the suits chose NCOE and held up the album for it. We don't really know that at all, do we? Maybe I missed some announcement about this. Isn't it very possible that Adam wanted BTIKM and NCOE as singles? It feels like when something doesn't go the way we like, then blame it on the label and management. Junie, the voice is why I became an Adam fan. I do feel bad that we can critique everything else about Adam (fashion, hair, dance moves) but not the thing that is most essential to his performances. As a musician, I appreciate your empathy. I don't know squat about fashion designers and many other things, and I enjoy how I can learn about a variety of topics at Atop. Alison said Re: critical analysis of vocals. Junie, thanks for the support--it means a lot to the masterclass folks . Vocal analysis and "shaking your ass" aren't mutually exclusive! It is disheartening when vocal masterclass peeps are reprimanded for pointing out every nuance (good or bad)--I feel dismissed when this happens. These critiques are not disses to Adam nor are they evidence that we are not enjoying the performances. It is FUN for trained people to dissect the vocal performances. I am a singer (I took voice lessons for over 10 years) and Adam's performances are the only pop/rock vocals that I have EVER been able to be "lost in." Alison, you are so right on, and I agree with EVERYTHING you said. Trained musicians are naturally critical (as in doing a critique) by nature--it's what we do constantly when we practice and perform. (I come from a family of musicians, have a master's in music, and have been an active performer all my life.) If I hear a top-notch pianist blow the roof off a concert hall, I still might say it was too bad about the hiccup in the run at the end of the third movement. My operatic sister picks apart performances by the great opera singers all the time--and she LOVES opera. We listen for good and bad things--this is what I do as a profession. I would suck at it if I couldn't identify both sides of a performance. Often when musicians get together we talk about performances we may have just given. We critique ourselves and others. I don't have anyone in real life to discuss Adam with, especially in detail, and particularly would like to talk about the musicianship (other than squee). I know there is the masterclass thread, but it feels bad to be dissed on the main thread for comments about really obvious vocal errors or pitch issues. No need to dissect minutae on the main thread, but not to be able to mention it without retaliation is sad. Just because some people cannot hear a pitch issue does not mean it didn't happen. :-/ The thing that is so exciting about Adam (and fun to critique) is that he IS such a fabulous singer--like no other. I could critique someone like, well, Kris Allen, who regularly sang out of tune on AI, could not transition from chest to head voice smoothly, went for high notes by lifting his chin and having neck veins bulging, etc. But what's the point? He and many popular performers have those same problems. Adam is in a different league. He challenges my ear, my musicianship, etc., and even makes me like songs I would never normally enjoy. I can't just listen to him--I dissect what he is doing. Long car trips go very fast because of this because I'm so involved with the singing. When I re-watch the Queen videos, I'm noticing the forward placement in his mouth more and how, when finally he went for the glory note in WWTLF again, how his head almost lowered for this high pitch (take note KA and others 8-)) I don't know how the average pop radio listener perceives his songs. Maybe his singing is just too challenging for the average ear--hence lack of radio play. Maybe that's why WWFM was a hit and the current singles have not been. I don't expect performers to be perfect. Some of the performances I enjoy the most are community-based. There I don't expect perfection, but I root for them and then am thrilled with the effort and excitement when it is well done. For me that can be way more interesting than a professional job. But when I DO listen to a real pro, like Adam, I'm ALL EARS. Can't help it. He is a fascinating musician. I don't usually write long posts, but thanks to anyone to suffered through it.  I guess that's what this place if for. |
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Post by sugaree on Jul 19, 2012 13:39:10 GMT -5
Hi guys! Long time no see. I read here all the time and have lots of things I want to say, but typing is still at the top of the list of things that are difficult to do. It makes communicating by typing not fun.
Anyway, random comments, not in order, of some posts and shorter and less detailed than I would like.
I enjoy reading the many eloquent posts by the moonies. Also the poetry and famous quotes. I have to admit (don’t laugh) that a lot of it goes over my head though. I was not required to read any of it in high school. Took business classes and English consisted of how to write proper business letters, reports, etc. Thanks for broadening my education.
I swear I read a post (I think by mszue) about Adam doing more with Queen (tour, unreleased Queen songs album, etc.) but can’t seem to find it. Am I crazy? I’m not taking the weird meds anymore. I believe it said something like using Queen as a back door into the business. junie’s Dolly info was great. I was aware of Dolly’s story and it could just work that way for Adam. Love “Queen might be Adam’s Porter.”.
Waaaay back when, after the Idol finale, I posted a long comment about how I thought Adam should do some gigs with Queen if asked, record an album with them, etc. I got blasted by just about everyone here (or PF I guess). “That would kill Adam’s career. Queen is an old has-been band. He would lose fans”. And on and on and on. Needless to say, I shut up. Then, low and behold, when Adam did the EMA thing and was asked to do the mini tour with Queen it is now the best thing that could have happened to him. Oh how I wish I could find and quote all of those negative posts from back then, but I guess that would be petty. Enjoyable for me, but petty. ;D I would definitely love an Adam and Queen album of previously unreleased Queen songs.
It seems to me that lately there is a lot of telling people what to do and what not to do in the main thread. I might even agree with what people say, but I don’t like the posts. Too much negativity and bossyness. Be positive and work on getting well is my current mantra.
Anyway, that’s all the typing for now. Carry on moonies and keep posting what you post. I love visiting here.
Oh, and please forgive any typos, spelling and grammar errors, etc.
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