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Post by mika on Jun 21, 2012 18:51:20 GMT -5
adamlambert Adam Lambert
@iamwill Great catching up with you tonight!Honestly, my first thought on seeing this was hoping Adam got the anecdotal version of when the BEP staff dude punched Perez. Yes, raindrops on roses, whiskers on kittens and gving Perez a black eye are among my favourite things.  ETA: Unrelated. Does anyone else remember Colour Me Badd? Hmm. Tick tock, get up, stop ;D. I remember, why? First, let me commend you for remembering that and having the Trespassing spirit to admit it - I like to know I'm not alone in having strange pop songs stuck in my head. I mentioned CMB because -- and I say this with love because I loved 'Wanna Sex You Up' -- but snippets of that video (with the boys wearing wide shouldered, dif color jackets) reminds me of the dance bits of NCOE.  . I just feel if I were running away from my dystopian custodial job (looking gorgeous in a dusty blue and grey ensemble) I might choose to run to the freedom happy IIHY forest instead of the structured jacket of the late 80s/early 90s. ;D (That's just me though - and I really don't have the outfits for either sadly.) |
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Post by Alison on Jun 21, 2012 19:09:19 GMT -5
I mentioned CMB because -- and I say this with love because I loved 'Wanna Sex You Up' -- but snippets of that video (with the boys wearing wide shouldered, dif color jackets) reminds me of the dance bits of NCOE. . Haha -- you are so right about the jackets! I've told you before that I have no shame in admitting my love for cheesy pop. :D |
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Post by mika on Jun 21, 2012 19:22:32 GMT -5
OT but a friend found this for me - I used to love it so thought I would share. I would say it speaks to to a certain kind of weird kid everywhere. (as someone who was kinda banned from a Jane Austen board - sooo sensitive that crowd ) "No, send him away. I shan't be seeing Mr. Mallory ever again!...I'M going to London..." |
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Post by nikki on Jun 21, 2012 22:33:54 GMT -5
Hmm, why male rituals tend to involve some trial or even pain, not celebrate beauty?
I tend to believe it's because we box the masculine and feminine archetypes as separate and distinct, when they can easily be viewed as one entity, with the characteristics of both.
In science, when describing matter, the +ve charge (masculine, active, day) and -ve charge (feminine, receptive, moon) cannot exist without the other. But what gets described is not the continuum and relationship between them, but the characteristics at either polarity.
In eastern metaphysics, there is room for a notion of a continuum if you look, say at their masculine "trinity", which is actually one entity, but separated out into 3 forms to make it easier for people to understand, in part. Shiva, the warrior. Vishnu (and his expansion Krsna) could easily be characterised as "feminine" in dress and expression. Brahma, the silent creator. These male "forms" are presented as part of a complementary polarity with their "feminine" counterpart. Shiva's counterpart, Sarasvati could easily be described as a very "masculine" woman in terms of her characteristics, but we don't tend to celebrate "warrior" type women like Boudicca. I think we've missed the point almost entirely in our mad quest to deconstruct, reduce, classify, and then what, understand? lol, lol.
This is my rambling way of saying that male/female energy is the head and tail of the same coin. I may be a woman, but I am equally as masculine as any man and any man is equally as feminine as I am because we have all the characteristics of both, despite the bodies we seemingly inhabit. And everyone expresses the full spectrum uniquely, emphasising some and disregarding others that don't suit.
Individuals, and societies have tended to favour the extreme, easily described and defined notions - so men are expected to suffer physical trials to become a "warrior" in the broadest sense, if that is the aspect that suits the particular culture (and it seems pretty widespread). Beauty is of course part of the feminine archetype and we are equally and universally "punished" in life if we don't seemingly possess it (physically).
Hope this makes some sense to people, am a bit tired today.
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Post by theosgma on Jun 21, 2012 22:58:21 GMT -5
Hmm, why male rituals tend to involve some trial or even pain, not celebrate beauty? I tend to believe it's because we box the masculine and feminine archetypes as separate and distinct, when they can easily be viewed as one entity, with the characteristics of both. In science, when describing matter, the +ve charge (masculine, active, day) and -ve charge (feminine, receptive, moon) cannot exist without the other. But what gets described is not the continuum and relationship between them, but the characteristics at either polarity. In eastern metaphysics, there is room for a notion of a continuum if you look, say at their masculine "trinity", which is actually one entity, but separated out into 3 forms to make it easier for people to understand, in part. Shiva, the warrior. Vishnu (and his expansion Krsna) could easily be characterised as "feminine" in dress and expression. Brahma, the silent creator. These male "forms" are presented as part of a complementary polarity with their "feminine" counterpart. Shiva's counterpart, Sarasvati could easily be described as a very "masculine" woman in terms of her characteristics, but we don't tend to celebrate "warrior" type women like Boudicca. I think we've missed the point almost entirely in our mad quest to deconstruct, reduce, classify, and then what, understand? lol, lol. This is my rambling way of saying that male/female energy is the head and tail of the same coin. I may be a woman, but I am equally as masculine as any man and any man is equally as feminine as I am because we have all the characteristics of both, despite the bodies we seemingly inhabit. And everyone expresses the full spectrum uniquely, emphasising some and disregarding others that don't suit. Individuals, and societies have tended to favour the extreme, easily described and defined notions - so men are expected to suffer physical trials to become a "warrior" in the broadest sense, if that is the aspect that suits the particular culture (and it seems pretty widespread). Beauty is of course part of the feminine archetype and we are equally and universally "punished" in life if we don't seemingly possess it (physically). Hope this makes some sense to people, am a bit tired today. Correction here. Shiva's consort is Parvati. Vishnu is Lakshmi and Lord Brahma is Saraswati. Saraswati is not at all masculine. She is the Goddess of communication, sacred language and the arts. Probably you are thinking of Parvati. |
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Post by jamie on Jun 22, 2012 0:46:53 GMT -5
Hi all. I want to apologize for any confusion about this thread. I think my first attempt amounted to 'Ask Mika. He started it.'
I also apologized to Junie. I should have responded sooner to her request to put her statement under my first post. I was assuming things were just working themselves out and hadn't realized she was being asked by so many about what to post and to make an official statement. I told her I was uncomfortable posting someone else's words as my my own but if people needed it, to feel free to take my first post or post it underneath so now that's settled. Sorry again Junie that you've had a rough week and thanks again for everything you've done here.
I also told her to pass on any more questions to mika so she can enjoy the thread. He said he's happy to do so. Or you can just ask on the board. I think everyone is pretty friendly and easy going here.
I think everything seems to be running pretty smoothly beyond my laziness. Who knows what it will turn into but I hope everyone feels free to chime in.
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Post by mika on Jun 22, 2012 1:33:16 GMT -5
Jamie - please do not apologize - you are a lunar architect. And fair warning - I only provide answers from by my magic 8 ball. 'unclear-ask again later' is very popular
I was thinking tonight about something that is shamefully (given my good luck among the world's residents) far from me too often. Joy. Mulling the discussion of beauty, it occurred to me maybe it's less about gender, archetypes, mythos, etc. - than mindfulness and the ability to appreciate beauty in a no-ego way that lets in joy. I mean, we can intellectualize it, deconstruct it, debate its merits, but simply reveling in the experience is often lost. Taking pleasure in beauty in small, organic, everyday ways has often become quaint or a sign of eccentricity.
It reminds me a bit of that recent news story about the retired man who lost his wife and wanted something to do to help him cope, so he started painting a small, economically depressed town - one structure at a time - because he thought it looked sad w/all the peeling paint. He started with a red fire hydrant, moved down the guardrails and onto the main street buildings. Then people began to join in - with joy.
I think it was the forgotten experience of joy as a universal that first entangled me with Adam. People smiled more as each week progressed towards performance day; they chatted with strangers at work or on the metro about that guy; and waited, not just for the voice, but everything, the outfit, the performance, but, most of all, to viscerally enjoy his radiant, exuberant, in-the-moment joy that came across in waves. And many more moments followed.
But now many of us are so invested, we sometimes argue like shareholders and talk about all the ways to move the product, improve the product. Glad the product is thinner, prettier, more sophisticated, more mature than the boy w/the emo hair, sweet smile and determined eyes.
And for some, being a fan has become a task, a job - often not a joyful one.
Maybe people in that town are now arguing angrily about what color to paint their houses.
I think Adam still has his joy - I think he recognizes the need to nurture it and protects it fiercely. I strive and fail and strive some more to learn that from him.
And yes this was very random.
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Jun 22, 2012 2:34:03 GMT -5
Greetings! Lovely posts Nikki and Mika (and everyone). Warrior women and Hindu goddesses took me back to the sense memory of living in an Indian ashram, and having the duty to regularly help wash a 15 foot tall statue of Durga mounted on a tiger in the wee hours of the morning with warm rose water. She became a symbol to me of inner courage and fierce love. I remembering clambering barefoot up onto the slippery back of the tiger with my bucket, and the careful balancing act required to reach the weapons she brandished in her hands. On the one hand I knew that I was in a precarious physical position high above the ground, and standing on the back of a tiger, even one frozen in mid-stride, is never to be taken lightly. On the other hand, a clear inner voice said 'I won't let you fall'. Sometimes I wonder if Adam feels like he's both standing on the back of the tiger with all the danger, exposure, and excitement that entails, and hearing the inner voice of divine reassurance. I hope so. Mika - great illustration of how the experience of joy can sometimes transmute through over-investment into job. I've definitely felt it. But what often ends up happening is I save reading about Adam and watching his videos until the end, like dessert, and then the joy wells up again. I love the coining of the fandom word 'bert'. It's a noun (we are 'berts'), but also an active verb. I'm berting, I want to bert, we are berting. To bert is to revel in the joy. To laugh, to be awestruck, to be moved, to be turned on, to be intrigued by Adam and his music. To be in the moment as observer and participant, as Adam is almost always present and in the moment. |
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Post by nikki on Jun 22, 2012 3:10:41 GMT -5
Greetings back to you, rabbitrabbit, and thank you for that lovely memory. I've seen many of your posts on the radio business and your knowledge is slightly scary to me.
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Post by Alison on Jun 22, 2012 5:13:37 GMT -5
Jamie, Junie, Mika -- thank you. Please, no more worries from any of you about the Moon Garden. Everything is as it should be. This is a beautiful place.  |
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