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Post by Sunflower on Mar 20, 2011 10:21:01 GMT -5
I think too 'theatrical' is a code for too 'Broadway'. There's a difference between being theatrical like Madonna in a concert and being theatrical using 'Broadway' singing style and mannerisms. I love it when Adam is theatrical and/or campy but I don't like it when he slips into 'Broadway' like he does in Soaked. I love Broadway - on Broadway but not in a pop-rock concert. For better or worse, musical theater is a bit stale from the perspective of the younger demographic. He can be as theatrical and campy as he wants, in fact I love it, but I want him to sound current at the same time. I get what you're saying but I LOVED "Soaked" at GNT. It was a chill-inducing moment at every show – and by the audience's reaction, I would say it was well received everywhere. And I think he proved you can integrate the elements of many styles and come up with his own amalgam of originality. To me, saying, "This style belongs here and this style belongs there," is putting everything back into boxes. Soaked is a bit devisive, I think. A lot of people love it but there's also a lot of people - probaly a minority though - who don't. When I first heard Bellamy's demo I liked the song even though I recognized the musical theater elements. I really hoped Adam would sing it like he did Feeling Good - very theatrical but with a rock edge. I would have loved the juxaposition. In the end, it turned out too musical theater for ME. I get what you say about putting him in boxes but I just want him to be successful and accepted as a pop/rock star. He needs to be current to achieve that. My concern is that if Soaked is the first song someone hears from him it reinforces all the prejudices/stereotypes about him. It might work well with someone who loves musical theater because his voice is just amazing but I doubt it would work with the Top 40 crowd - and that IS the target demographic. When he is a little bit more estabileshed it will give him much greater freedom to do whatever he wants without worrying about how it looks. But I don't think he is there yet. And before anyone thinks I want him to tone it down - no frigging way! He can be as theatrical/campy or stripped down/honest as he wants. I just want him to be current. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Mar 20, 2011 10:21:34 GMT -5
Really enjoyed reading the rest of the thread last night after I doped up on cold meds and crashed. Great idea about bookmarking, Tina!!
Mika, love the quotes by David Foster Wallace and this short vid ... kind of sums up my entire experience in film school. I could never really reconcile my squishy, sap self with all the jaded, cynical, overly analytical and unimpressed-by-anything students.
It is awesome that Adam can be The Citizen Vein, RMT, edgy, molten-sexy rocker dude one minute and the giggling, gets-a-kick out of his cool !JACKET! and awesome !COSTUME! in the next. The fact that he never lost (or buried) that vulnerable, happy, playful part of himself is a HUGE component of his charisma, I think.
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Post by lindy on Mar 20, 2011 10:23:04 GMT -5
Someday, I would love to see Adam star in a modern pop-rock opera -- that would be a trip. (And I would use every $$$ and connection I have to be at that opening night in the first row.) [snip] Similarly, I adore Strut. It has remained one of my fav FYE tracks since the beginning. And it is a wonderful, fun, glamaganza live. Even on a low budget. I would love to see this number done on a big stage with more dancers, and a huge stair case. Yep!! OH YES! |
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Post by SusieFierce on Mar 20, 2011 10:56:56 GMT -5
Sunflower: I get what you say about putting him in boxes but I just want him to be successful and accepted as a pop/rock star. He needs to be current to achieve that. My concern is that if Soaked is the first song someone hears from him it reinforces all the prejudices/stereotypes about him. It might work well with someone who loves musical theater because his voice is just amazing but I doubt it would work with the Top 40 crowd - and that IS the target demographic. When he is a little bit more estabileshed it will give him much greater freedom to do whatever he wants without worrying about how it looks. But I don't think he is there yet.
And before anyone thinks I want him to tone it down - no frigging way! He can be as theatrical/campy or stripped down/honest as he wants. I just want him to be current. I understand and I had a similar convo with TheSpindleShay on Twitter early in the GNT cycle and she was saying largely the same, "Soaked" was too musical theater for her. I get that. It IS musical theater. My opinion was that despite that, (or because of it), it worked. One of the unique things about Adam is that his theatrical training is so ingrained that it served him very well in the creation of GNT, especially with story and pacing. He knew where to put in the dance numbers, the rock numbers and the show-stopping power ballad, because they're all a part of his arsenal. And IMO, terms like "current" are highly subjective buzzwords out of the Randy Jackson AI Judges Handbook; as exact concepts, they are really difficult to define. I mean, look how many pages we have progressed just trying to define "camp." Also, who's to say what is current? I think the groundbreakers define current as they progress. I don't think anyone would have believed Gaga two years before she happened. Like Adam's reaction to Simon's criticism at his audition. Theatrical is not current? Have you seen what the top acts are doing right now? Cee Lo Green at the Grammys? I know theatrical and musical theater are two different things, but look at the astounding success of "Glee," there is most definitely a current market for it. |
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Post by cookie on Mar 20, 2011 11:06:17 GMT -5
Whether Adam is being campy, or theatrical, being satirical, or ironical, or even parodying anything... his brand of entertainment catches you, wraps around you and envelopes you with such enjoyment ....I will have it no other way, than , Adam Lambert's brand of entertainment.... But for the next tour, I expect to see a more personal show -- no lack of entertainment, and I am sure costumes and dancers will be involved -- but songs that mean more to Adam because he wrote them. In the GNT live performance, Soaked was a vocal highpoint, but Aftermath meant more to me and connected in a different way. I think that is because Adam wrote Aftermath and "owned" the lyrics.
This makes me think of something Eber said right after Fantasy Springs. He was getting a bunch of tweets from fans who wanted to know what he thought about acoustic WLL, and they seemed to assume that was the highlight of the concert for him. His response was something to the effect that WLL was a nice surprise, but that he was totally blown away by Broken Open. My thought at the time was that he preferred Broken Open, at least in part, because it was such a personal song for Adam. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 11:12:30 GMT -5
The next tour ---- my dream ---- Adam Lambert
Lust & Leather Tour--- a bit more rock, and more pyro -- and "Jim Morrison" leather pants.  YES, please! |
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Post by SusieFierce on Mar 20, 2011 11:14:52 GMT -5
So funny ... yesterday morning I tweeted a screencap of one of the "Wicked" photos Gelly posted and I since I woke up – now about 24 hours later – I've been getting RTs and responses from different countries and Twitter names I've never heard of.
There seems to be a very visceral reaction to him looking so "low-key" and adorable.
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Post by EmoElvisSpikeyMessyElvis on Mar 20, 2011 11:16:24 GMT -5
Very, very OT - scroll alert:
I am watching Chelsea vs. Man City and the entire stadium became extremely silent in tribute to Japan. If you know what a cacophonous place an English Premier League stadium is, you can imagine how chill-inducing it was to see footballers arm-in-arm around the center circle while you can hear the proverbial pin drop as people stand in prayerful silence.
Ok, carry on...
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Post by mszue on Mar 20, 2011 11:27:06 GMT -5
Well I can't elaborate on L&L Tour yet -- but I just learned something so amazing that I had to share. I was trying to find a copy of the famous Jim Morrison leather pants with the Navajo Conjo belt to illustrate the "concept" -- when I came across a number of stories about the pants. I knew Jim Morrison was the first rock star to wear tight leather pants, and I knew they were custom made for him by an old German tailor in Beverly Hills out of glove leather. But I never knew the whole story. Here is the story: jonalysis.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/how-jim-morrison-got-his-leather-pants/ (nice blog version but matches the real published versions.) Like many posthumous Jim Morrison stories told by Ray Manzarek, Ray did a lot. I think Ray may give himself too much credit sometimes. You know -- he who writes the history, get to say he was king. I hope I am not completely late on this but just for the fun of it, try this. Click on the link and, if you haven't already...read it. But then, slowly scroll down and watch as the picture disapears...stop when there is just a half an inch or so of picture left and check out the pattern of the mike chord!!! :  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 11:28:44 GMT -5
NoAngel, (You know we will all buy the twigs, too!)
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