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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2012 20:51:56 GMT -5
[/IMG] [/quote] My opinion is it is RCA and them trying to guess what everyone wants. GNT was very successful with Adam being wild and it wasn't just Glamberts selling out 117 shows! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2012 20:53:33 GMT -5
Tigerlilly, we miss you! Please come back!
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Post by maddie509 on Jul 7, 2012 20:55:30 GMT -5
Tigerlilly, we miss you! Please come back! going to PM you right now, mys*&@^#r. |
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Post by sage on Jul 7, 2012 22:13:52 GMT -5
Most of the regulars here know I am a huge Katy Perry fan! Yes, I really am!! So much so that I actually went to see her movie today, which BTW, was damn good! I am going to relate this to Adam in a minute. Anyway, I found the part about her 2nd label (Columbia) very, very interesting. They were trying to get her to "fit" into what they thought radio wanted. Trying to figure out what radio would play. She wouldn't budge. She wanted her songs and her quirky styling to be the way it was. In other words, she wanted to be "Katy." They actually came to a stalemate, where Columbia refused to release a single and her album!! BUT, they didn't want to drop her because they thought another label would pick her up and she'd become a huge star for some other label! Somehow, her A&R person (a woman) got Columbia to release her and then this woman quit Columbia and took all of Katy's stuff to Capital and pitched her. Capital agreed that Katy was unique and destined to be a star. They got her 1st single down to 3 choices. Katy said, because of the stuff that happened at Columbia, she was considered damaged goods by both the industry and radio. So, she knew the single had to be BIG!! Capital let her pick it! She chose, "I Kissed a Girl" and the rest is history. So, back to relating this to Adam. After watching the red jacket snippets from today in Poland and seeing the joy and abandon that Adam is doing these Queen songs with I just want RCA's plan to be to "Free Adam!" Forget the safe Adam that did all those radio tours! The safe Adam that RCA thinks everyone wants. I think they are wrong! It was post Idol "wild child Adam" that had the 2 hits in 2010! Not safe Adam! Let Adam be Adam!! I want Shady or Cuckoo or Trespassing. If he's going down, let him go down being himself!! (I may delete this post soon. Just neeeded to vent after coming fresh from the Katy perry movie) the thing is that the "free Adam" idea was clear from the very beginning... I swear the day they picked NCOE I had a feeling of "tragedy" descending upon Adam's career (sorry for the melodrama)... and everyone was screaming "good for the US radio"... oh, wait, I am in a wrong thread  anyway - there will be a third single and it will be fabulous! it will be adam's in spirit! I think a lot of us had that same feeling when they picked NCOE. BTIKM was just a WTF moment for me but I thought "OK, it'll probably do okay on HAC which will be enough to start out with a moderate hit." Then, they chose NCOE for the second one. That's when I just lost any confidence I had in RCA. I felt like the label was trying to neuter Adam. They were taking away anything edgy about Adam. And that's what people who liked Adam liked about him. The people they're trying to appease, I don't think would be on board with Adam no matter what he put out there. So why are they trying to get those people on board? As far as his live shows, hasn't he only really done one full show, in Wilkes-Barre? Everything else has been radio concerts where he doesn't do a full show. The radio shows he has done in the past during FYE were more toned down as well. I'm not afraid that Adam will go all conservative during his solo live shows. Obviously he's not going to go crazy and make out with Tommy cause he's in a relationship now but that got old after a while anyway. |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Jul 7, 2012 23:02:31 GMT -5
Just because it's a different perspective I'll say that I really like NCOE, thought it would be a great single choice (hope it still will be in some countries), and I'm glad there was a delay to get it and Pop That Lock (the other late addition song IIRC) onto the album because they are both dance jams which I love (and that side of the album has tended to appeal more to most of those reviewers who prefer one side over the other I've noticed). None of the bonus tracks are dance and I wouldn't have replaced either song with a bonus track on the standard album, if that was under consideration, although I do love the bonus songs.
No one really knows what combination of factors have given BTIKM and NCOE a hard road, but several plausible theories have been floated, but I'm pretty sure it's not just one thing. One thing I wonder about is the possible effect of the lack of wholehearted fan support, both in social media chatter (including denigrating the singles regularly on forums, potentially influencing and/or discouraging other fans) and in requesting. Several DJs have given feedback that they haven't gotten enough requests. Standard excuse, I know, but perhaps an element of truth in it as well when compared to Adam's first era.
In terms of pop artists picking fan favorite/their favorite singles. I can think of several instances where it didn't work at all. Like Roger said, no one knows the secret of a hit single. But I wouldn't be surprised if lack of core fandom enthusiasm/embrace of a single once it is chosen is part of the recipe for failure.
ETA: sage, I agree with you about the live shows.
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Post by nica575 on Jul 7, 2012 23:21:36 GMT -5
Just because it's a different perspective I'll say that I really like NCOE, thought it would be a great single choice (hope it still will be in some countries), and I'm glad there was a delay to get it and Pop That Lock (the other late addition song IIRC) onto the album because they are both dance jams which I love (and that side of the album has tended to appeal more to most reviewers who prefer one side over the other I've noticed). None of the bonus tracks are dance and I wouldn't have replaced either song with a bonus track on the standard album, if that was under consideration, although I do love the bonus songs. No one really knows what combination of factors have given BTIKM and NCOE a hard road, but several plausible theories have been floated, but I'm pretty sure it's not just one thing. One thing I wonder about is the effect of the lack of wholehearted fan support, both in social media chatter (including denigrating the singles regularly on forums, potentially influencing and/or discouraging other fans) and in requesting. Several DJs have given feedback that they haven't gotten enough requests. Standard excuse, I know, but perhaps an element of truth in it as well when compared to Adam's first era. In terms of pop artists picking fan favorite/their favorite singles. I can think of several instances where it didn't work at all. Like Roger said, no one knows the secret of a hit single. But I wouldn't be surprised if lack of core fandom enthusiasm/embrace of a single once it is chosen is part of the recipe for failure. ETA: sage, I agree with you about the live shows. well, we've discussed this to death, but: 1)I think we request like crazy, whether we like the song or not, whether we listen to radio or not. I see no reason to think that the fandom that can spam idiotic polls and win would not do the same for the all important requests. 2) IF the FAN SUPPORT is so important then why does the label ignores the fan's picks? It was more than clear that NCOE was NEVER fan's favorite. We had enough informal polls, with one being pointed out by Adam...and the label could've organized their own if they were interested. the album is terrific! Adam WILL WIN! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2012 23:26:10 GMT -5
I think the fans are requesting plenty. Even Maxwell has said so, on the air, on Q102!  |
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Post by maddie509 on Jul 7, 2012 23:30:32 GMT -5
Just because it's a different perspective I'll say that I really like NCOE, thought it would be a great single choice (hope it still will be in some countries). In terms of pop artists picking fan favorite/their favorite singles. I can think of several instances where it didn't work at all. Like Roger said, no one knows the secret of a hit single. But I wouldn't be surprised if lack of core fandom enthusiasm/embrace of a single once it is chosen is part of the recipe for failure.NCOE is a good song, perfectly suited for top 40(c'mon, it's written by Bruno), but that's it! The song does not speak "Adam", but everything "Bruno"; and most importantly, it does not represent the album. Labels would never pick a single based on fans' choice, it's all business except sometimes, when they make a poor biz decision and judgement, a damn good thing gets fucked up, big time!! Btw, the bold part might be true in some parts of country, which is why we have to keep requesting NCOE till a new plan rolls out. |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Jul 7, 2012 23:39:46 GMT -5
well, we've discussed this to death, but: 1)I think we request like crazy, whether we like the song or not, whether we listen to radio or not. I see no reason to think that the fandom that can spam idiotic polls and win would not do the same for the all important requests. 2) IF the FAN SUPPORT is so important then why does the label ignores the fan's picks? It was more than clear that NCOE was NEVER fan's favorite. We had enough informal polls, with one being pointed out by Adam...and the label could've organized their own if they were interested. the album is terrific! Adam WILL WIN! I don't know, but possibly: 1) it's easier to spam polls than request because polls concentrate fandom and international fans can and do participate, requests on the other hand are dispersed, spread out over a large geographic region, can't be spammed many times a day to the same station, and require more complicated steps than clicking a button to find out where and how to request effectively. (I wouldn't under-estimate that last one, though it seems silly, I think it can be a barrier to less invested fans). 2) There is a difference between casual fans (70-90% of a fanbase maybe? at a guess?) and the much smaller number of core superfans -- which we are, let's face it, just like we discussed in the main thread with regard to Queen fans today. Core superfans voted for Trespassing and Cuckoo when Adam asked on a whim based on low quality snippets. If all casual fans of Adam were surveyed that might not have been the case. Core superfans are important contributors/buyers, but aren't the majority, and usually aren't going anywhere even if they hate a single, so why should record companies listen to them? It's hard to tell if the larger group of casual fans perhaps didn't buy the singles in high numbers because 1) they are idol fans who have wandered away, 2) they didn't like the songs, or 3) if many casual fans simply didn't know the singles were out there because of lack of radio saturation and the time lapse between albums. mys*&@^#r - I think Q102 is probably the station we've concentrated most requests on from the start, but all the other large to mid-size stations nationwide? I honestly don't know. ETA: I'm not saying fan support is a big factor, or a determining factor or anything, I'm just saying that it probably does play some role, even if only a small one, and it's the only piece of the puzzle we actually have any influence over. |
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Post by aralid on Jul 8, 2012 4:29:54 GMT -5
Most of the regulars here know I am a huge Katy Perry fan! Yes, I really am!! So much so that I actually went to see her movie today, which BTW, was damn good! I am going to relate this to Adam in a minute. Anyway, I found the part about her 2nd label (Columbia) very, very interesting. They were trying to get her to "fit" into what they thought radio wanted. Trying to figure out what radio would play. She wouldn't budge. She wanted her songs and her quirky styling to be the way it was. In other words, she wanted to be "Katy." They actually came to a stalemate, where Columbia refused to release a single and her album!! BUT, they didn't want to drop her because they thought another label would pick her up and she'd become a huge star for some other label! Somehow, her A&R person (a woman) got Columbia to release her and then this woman quit Columbia and took all of Katy's stuff to Capital and pitched her. Capital agreed that Katy was unique and destined to be a star. They got her 1st single down to 3 choices. Katy said, because of the stuff that happened at Columbia, she was considered damaged goods by both the industry and radio. So, she knew the single had to be BIG!! Capital let her pick it! She chose, "I Kissed a Girl" and the rest is history. So, back to relating this to Adam. After watching the red jacket snippets from today in Poland and seeing the joy and abandon that Adam is doing these Queen songs with I just want RCA's plan to be to "Free Adam!" Forget the safe Adam that did all those radio tours! The safe Adam that RCA thinks everyone wants. I think they are wrong! It was post Idol "wild child Adam" that had the 2 hits in 2010! Not safe Adam! Let Adam be Adam!! I want Shady or Cuckoo or Trespassing. If he's going down, let him go down being himself!! (I may delete this post soon. Just neeeded to vent after coming fresh from the Katy perry movie) THIS! |
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I really miss wildchild Adam. I do love current Adam and I thought TP was a lot better than FYE, but live he just seems so safe and mellowed out compared to FYE promo + GNT. Is it to get behind RCA and play it safe for radio or a result of that year at home? [img src="
