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:D I just think by adding the live stuff along with the studio stuff in a way would give a better overview of the whole time period rather than going all the way to 2012 with studio and then go back to the beginning live?

Hopefully it will work how I want it to

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Need your expert opinion per Adamme on page 23 of today's thread re:
www.contactmusic.com/news/brian-may-ill-always-regret-not-performing-songs-with-freddie_1404575

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ETA: NG just answered Adamme's post

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Follow up on your post re: FM's medical condition
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1. Do you have any idea when the band was notified? I'm sure they probably suspected something was wrong but respected FM's privacy.

2. When was the last public event appearance of FM? Was it with the band?

3. Were the questions about FM's health ever raised in any public event where BM, RT and/or JD were present or they avoided any musical event while FM was sick and cannot be with them?

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Not related to above:
BM posted a YT (but I can't find it - archived by a fan and sent to him) where the band took over a music store, tied up the clerks ;D and loaded the shelves with Queen's album. Was that just for fun and was just posted for Queen fans? I hope you know what I'm talking about. That was pretty funny and was wondering what it was made for?

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Just a drive-by post to say that I again spent half the night getting lost (in a good way) in this thread. Thank you, Talon. I love these classes and truly appreciate the amount of time and effort you put into each one.

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Aug 27, 2012 22:41:32 GMT -5 gabby said:

BM posted a YT (but I can't find it - archived by a fan and sent to him) where the band took over a music store, tied up the clerks ;D and loaded the shelves with Queen's album.

I loved that! "What if you don't like Queen?" " ??? ??? ???"

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Aug 28, 2012 5:35:39 GMT -5 Factorfictn said:

Just a drive-by post to say that I again spent half the night getting lost (in a good way) in this thread. Thank you, Talon. I love these classes and truly appreciate the amount of time and effort you put into each one.

:D Drive by postings like this are one of the reasons I like doing it! It makes me smile that people are getting something out of it and enjoying it!

Aug 27, 2012 22:41:32 GMT -5 gabby said:

Follow up on your post re: FM's medical condition
adamtopia.com/index.cgi?board=daily&action=display&thread=1083&page=24

1. Do you have any idea when the band was notified? I'm sure they probably suspected something was wrong but respected FM's privacy.

That's always been an asking pont. No one ever said exactly when. They said basically Freddie did bring them around and basically said:

"You all know what I'm dealing with, so there it is. I don't want to talk about it. I just want to keep working as if nothing is wrong."

But we can kind of pin it down a bit.

As I said, according to sources, Freddie found out he was HIV positive somewhere around March of 1987. He did not tell the band at first...in fact it seems he only told his current boyfriend, Jim Hutton, his best friend and love, Mary Austin, his other very good friend Barbara Valentin, I believe the people he lived with and who assisted him and Jim Beach.

He worked with Montserrat Caballe between Jan 1987 and Mar. 1988. He started working with the band on The Miracle in January of 1988. It is my opinion that he had this discussion with the band sometime during these sessions...so sometime in 1988/89...probably closer to 1989.

Of course the band wasn't stupid so they knew something was up. And by the quote, Freddie knew they knew so it wasn't a matter of hiding it from them...more of a case of not really wanting to discuss it. I believe that has to do with music being his escape from his tragedy. Why bring that part of his life into one of the only things to make him completely escape it?

2. When was the last public event appearance of FM? Was it with the band?

The last public appearance by Freddie was at the Brits Awards on February 18th, 1990. Which means he was out of the public eyes (at least officially) for about 1 3/4 years before his death.

This is the full 6:00 of Queen getting the award for the Outstanding Contribution To Music award (kind of a lifetime award).

This is them getting the award only followed by many many pictures from the afterparty.

- Brian did the talking and it is obvious there is something going on...but amazing how the world of pre-technology allowed him more privacy...BUT not too much more.

This was the last public photograph of Freddie in Aprilish of 1991 as a scummy journalist who was one of hundred vultures circling his house got.

This was the last private photo Freddie allowed of himself to be taken - this is from Jim Hutton's book. This was the spring of 1991.

3. Were the questions about FM's health ever raised in any public event where BM, RT and/or JD were present or they avoided any musical event while FM was sick and cannot be with them?

Oh all the time. But by this point John was starting to become a recluse so he was able to avoid the questions for the most part. I believe this was part of the reason he started becoming a recluse. In fact there is speculation that he is a hermit today because he was never able to fully recover from Freddie's death.

So it was up to Brian and Roger who had to do all the press parties and interviews. Roger was with The Cross so was able to deflect a bit. Brian actually did a radio tour of America to support Innuendo when it was released in 1991 (aside..a VERY interesting tour as DJs often got him to play along with tracks...I'll try to post those later on during our journey!)

But both Brian and Roger got the "when's Queen going to tour?" question as at that point it had been 3-4 years. They almost always said they wanted to tour but not everyone in the group wanted to at the point. They would deflect (offering false hope) of maybe doing a one off in places but this was all to deflect from Freddie suffering.

If asked about Freddie, they would have to flat out lie at times to protect his privacy.

From the Days Of Our Lives documentary:

I have a video in my collection that I can't find on YT and it isn't on my computer where in 1991 Brian is in Canada with a bunch of fans who ask him about Freddie being sick. He pauses and doesn't answer very well but basically denies it just saying Freddie was a bit under the weather but they were going back to work soon enough! kind of stuff...I did find this:

This is an interview Brian and Roger did in 1991 in Canada. Around 5:31 the host asks Brian about touring...

Not related to above:
BM posted a YT (but I can't find it - archived by a fan and sent to him) where the band took over a music store, tied up the clerks ;D and loaded the shelves with Queen's album. Was that just for fun and was just posted for Queen fans? I hope you know what I'm talking about. That was pretty funny and was wondering what it was made for?

A MUCH more fun topic

This is the ad you mean :D It was an actual TV ad for Greatest Video Hits 2 (GHV2) I loved it..."No you can't". The customer is Rhys Thomas who is the man behind the Days Of Our Lives documentary and the upcoming Great Pretender documentary!

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Today's track is one of Queen's MOST hard rocking...

Stone Cold Crazy

Written by: Freddie Mercury/Brian May/Roger Taylor/John Deacon

Musicians:
Freddie Mercury - lead and backing vocals
Brian May - guitars
John Deacon - bass guitar
Roger Taylor - drums

Sleeping very soundly on a Saturday morning
I was dreaming I was Al Capone
There's a rumour going round
Gotta clear out of town
I'm smelling like a dry fish bone
Here come the law gonna break down the door
Gonna carry me away once more
Never never I never want it anymore
Gotta get away from this stone cold floor
Crazy stone cold crazy you know

Rainy afternoon I gotta blow a typhoon
And I'm playing on my slide trombone
Anymore anymore cannot take it anymore
Gotta get away from this stone cold floor
Crazy stone cold crazy you know

Walking down the street
Shooting people that I meet
With my rubber Tommy water gun
Here come the deputy
He's gonna come and get me
I gotta get me up and run
They got the sirens loose
I ran right out of juice
They're gonna put me in a cell
If I can't go to heaven
Will they let me go to hell?
Crazy stone cold crazy you know

- The first track to have the band write it. In this case it is a genuine four way writing credit, although it is Freddie who initiated it as the track has it's origins as a Wreckage track.

- Rumors claim that it was initially MUCH slower and maybe even incorporated acoustic guitars but these are hard to substantiate when even Barry Mitchell (one of the pre-John Deacon bassists) claims that they played it when he was in the band and that it was similar to what it ended up being.

- This supposedly was the first song Queen played together on stage as Queen back in 1970.

- Played live through 1977 and then resurrected for the 1984 tour. It was also performed at the Freddie Mercury Tribute with James Hetfield from Metallica on vocals and Tony Iommi (from Black Sabbath) assisting on guitar...the last time the band played it.

ALTERNATIVE RELEASED VERSIONS:

BBC SESSION 5 VERSION

- NOT essential listening

- Backing track is the same, there is a new vocal by Freddie but not really different.

1991 HOLLYWOOD REMIXES BY MICHAEL WAGENER

- NOT essential listening. The first is from the 1991 Hollywood Records remastering of Sheer Heart Attack as a bonus track. The second is a slightly different take of the same remix from the Encino Man soundtrack.

1991 REMIX BY TRENT REZNOR

- ESSENTIAL listening. Ok I don't make remixes essential usually but this was one of the best remixes of a Queen track ever. Trent Reznor (of Nine Inch Nails) remixed the track adding bits of studio chatter, and alternate takes of Freddie to make a REALLY rocking track of it. VERY well done. It was issued on some Hollywood Records promotional singles and compilations.

UNRELEASED AND UNHEARD

QUEEN AND/OR QUEEN IISESSION DEMO
- If they were performing it as early as 1970 it makes sense that this was originally tried during sessions for the first two albums. There is no confirmation that these exist and in fact even if it was recorded the tapes may have been destroyed but the speculation is certainly fair.

OFFICIALLY RELEASED LIVE VERSIONS:

LIVE AT THE RAINBOW - 1974

- This is a great perfomance. REALLY hard rocking and angry. Freddie at his most evil.

UNRELEASED LIVE VERSIONS:

LIVE AT EARLS COURT - 1977

- Another great gig and a bit older Freddie.

LIVE AT STUGGART - 1984 w/GREAT KING RAT

- BAD quality video...but the only actual video I could find. In 1984 they did a bit of a medley with the tune and with Great King Rat

QAL - LIVE IN WINNIPEG - 2014

- Although not suited to Adam's voice per se, the band does a decent job. This is the best quality video although it's not the best performance...the band was a bit plodding and not really in tour-shape yet.

ALTERNATIVE LIVE VERSIONS

QUEEN + JAMES HETFIELD & TONY IOMMI - THE FREDDIE MERCURY TRIBUTE

- It was only fitting since the year before Metallica won a Grammy for covering the track. It still amazes me that the band is so diverse they could have Metallica and Liza Minelli on the same bill :D

QUEEN + JEFF SCOTT SOTO - 2002

- Not great quality at all but when Queen got a star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame, they had an afterparty and did some jamming. Unfortunately not a lot of video escaped from the party...and even less good video. This is one of the better ones! This is with Jeff Scott Soto, a big Queen fan who sang with Journey for a bit and is now in the Queen Extravaganza alongside Marc Martel. This is not Jeff's best performance but it's not bad. Jeff did a GREAT Queen set at a Queen convetion one year doing ALL the obscure stuff...Phenomenal...

BRIAN talking about Stone Cold Crazy

BUT back to Queen...Next up is Brian's answer to Freddie's Nevermore and Lily Of The Valley - a short but sweet number entitled, Dear Friends AND...I think I'll do a 2-for because the next 2 tracks are short, sweet and don't have much in the way of alternative or live performances...so in addition to Dear Friends I may tackle Misfire - the FIRST John Deacon tune recorded :D

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NG.... 2 different avis in less than 24 hours? Almost did not recognize you :D

Aug 28, 2012 8:34:31 GMT -5 talon said:

This is the ad you mean It was an actual TV ad for Greatest Video Hits 2 (GHV2) I loved it..."No you can't". The customer is Rhys Thomas who is the man behind the Days Of Our Lives documentary and the upcoming Great Pretender documentary!

Yes. This is the video I was talking about. BM and RT were so serious and really mean business when selling their album. Rhys "What if you don't like Queen?" ...

The whole scene was hilarious! Thanks for finding it.

That Brits Awards on February 18th, 1990 was so touching. What other awards have they receive prior to this?

What song was playing in the background of the video (FM's last party in 1990)? So heartwrenching :'(

Stone Cold Crazy

You mentioned the writers as the group. Would this be a similar process when they did One Vision? (BTW I did buy that video of the Making of the Night of the Opera) Again all I can say is what an amazing production of creative artists working together ... and love the hard rocking and angry Freddie

ETA: Since FM was routinely stalked by photographers did he not move someplace where no prying eyes have access to his activities? Did he leave London?

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Aug 28, 2012 19:00:58 GMT -5 gabby said:

Yes. This is the video I was talking about. BM and RT were so serious and really mean business when selling their album. Rhys "What if you don't like Queen?" ...

The whole scene was hilarious! Thanks for finding it.

My pleasure...literally. I hadn't seen it in awhile and it always makes me smile!

That Brits Awards on February 18th, 1990 was so touching. What other awards have they receive prior to this?

Whew...hmm...Ok here is a list in no particular order:

Inductions:
2001 - The band was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, Ohio.
2002 - The band was given a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
2003 - The band became the first band, rather than individual, to be inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame.
2004 - The band was inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame.
2004 - "Bohemian Rhapsody" was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame
2004 - The band was inducted into the RockWalk of Fame (at Guitar Center on Hollywood's Sunset Boulevard)
2006 - The band was the first inducted into the VH1 Rock Honors.
2009 - "We Will Rock You" and "We Are The Champions" are inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame.

Awards:
1974
Sounds: 3rd Best New British Band, 9th Best International Band

Disc: 10th Brightest Hope

NME: 2nd Most Promising New Name

1975
Melody Maker: 'Band of the Year'[8]

Record Mirror: 2nd Best British Newcomer, 2nd Best Single ("Killer Queen"), 9th International Group

NME: 8th Best British Group, 7th Best Stage Band, 4th Most Promising Group In The World, 3rd Most Promising New Name, 17th Best World Group

Disc: Top Live Band, Top International Group, Top British Group, Top Single ("Killer Queen"), 3rd Best Album (Sheer Heart Attack), 5th Best Album (Queen II)

Ivor Novello Award to Mercury for "Killer Queen"[9]

Golden Lion Award (Belgium) to Mercury for "Killer Queen"

Carl Allen Award for contribution to the Ballroom Dancing Industry

1976

NME: 1st British Stage Band, 2nd Group, 5th World Group, 3rd World Stage Band, Mercury: 7th World Singer, May: 3rd Top Guitarist, 1st British Single ("Bohemian Rhapsody"), 2nd Album ("A Night at the Opera")

Record Mirror / Disc: 1st Best British Group, 1st World Group, No. 1 Single ("Bohemian Rhapsody"), No. 6 Album ("A Night at the Opera"), Mercury: 5th British Singer, 6th World Singer, 4th British Songwriter, 5th World Songwriter, May: 4th British Musician, 4th World Musician

Sound: Best Band, Best Album (A Night at the Opera), Best Single ("Bohemian Rhapsody")[10]

Ivor Novello Award to Mercury for "Bohemian Rhapsody"[9]

1977

The BRIT Awards: Best British Single of the Last 25 Years ("Bohemian Rhapsody")[11]

Europe One Radio: Most Potential Rock Band

Daily Mail: Best Group

1979

Music Life, Japan: Top Group, Top Album (Jazz), Top Single, Top Singer, Top Guitarist, Top Drummer, Top Bass Player

1980

Juno Awards, Canada: Best Group, Best International Single ("Another One Bites the Dust"), Best International Album (The Game)

Record World USA: Top Male Group, Top Producer, Top Disco Crossover (All awarded for "Another One Bites the Dust")

Dick Clark Awards USA: Best Band

Circus Magazine USA: 2nd Best Group, 1st Live Show, No. 1 Album (The Game), No. 1 Single ("Another One Bites the Dust"), No.3 Single ("Crazy Little Thing Called Love"), Mercury: 2nd Male Vocalist, 3rd Best Songwriter, 3rd Best Keyboard Player; 3rd Best Guitarist, 3rd Best Bassist, 3rd Best Drummer

1981

American Music Awards: 'Favorite Pop/Rock Single' ("Another One Bites the Dust")[8]

Music Life, Japan: Best Group, Best Vocalist, Best Bass Player, 2nd Best Guitarist, 2nd Drummer

NARM Award USA: Biggest Selling Single of 1980 ("Another One Bites the Dust")

1984
Nordoff-Robbins Music Therapy Silver Clef Award: Outstanding Contribution to British Music

UK Video Awards: Highly Commended in Best Compilation Category for The Works EP. Best Video award for "Radio Ga Ga"

1986

Daily Mirror Reader's Poll: Top British Group, Top Male Vocalist, 5th Best Album (A Kind of Magic)

Daily Express: Best Album Cover Award (A Kind of Magic)

British Video Awards: Top Music Video Award (Live In Rio)

Worldwide Music Awards: Best Worldwide Group

1987

Sun: Best Male Vocalist for Mercury

Capital Radio London: Best Group

Ivor Novello Award: for Outstanding Contribution to British Music

British Video Awards: Best Video, Music category for "Live In Budapest"
1988

Golden Rose Festival, Montreux: International Music Media Conference: Best Long Form Video worldwide (The Magic Years)

Festerio, Rio De Janiero: Best video documentary (The Magic Years)
1989

Independent Television Awards: Best Band of the Eighties

US Film & Video Festival: Silver Screen Award (The Magic Years)

Diamond Awards, Antwerp: Best Special Effects Award ("The Invisible Man")

1990

The BRIT Awards: Outstanding Contribution to Music[9]

1991

American Film & Video Festival, Chicago: Innuendo won 1st Prize, I'm Going Slightly Mad won 3rd Prize for Creative Excellence in the Art Culture and Performing Arts category

Monitor Awards (International Teleproduction Society), New York City: Best Achievement in Music Video ("Innuendo")
1992

The BRIT Awards: Mercury received a posthumous Outstanding Contribution To Music Award, Best Single Award ("These Are the Days of Our Lives"

.[12]

Ivor Novello Award: Best Single ("These Are the Days of Our Lives"), May received a Best TV Commercial Music Award ("Driven By You")

Golden Giraffe Award: Greatest Hits II (Award given by the Association of Hungarian Record Producers)

MTV Awards: Best Video From A Movie (Wayne's World)

US Film & Video Festival, Chicago: Gold Camera Awards (The Freddie Mercury Tribute), (Greatest Flix II), ("The Show Must Go On") ("These Are the Days of Our Lives")

1993

Ivor Novello Award: to Mercury ("Living on My Own") (posthumous)

American Society Of Composers, Authors & Publishers: Mercury posthumously awarded for "Bohemian Rhapsody" as the Most Played Record in the U.S. of 1993

Monitor Awards, Hollywood: "Red Couch" Awards (Greatest Flix II and "I'm Going Slightly Mad")

1997

Ivor Novello Award: Best Song Lyrically & Musically ("Too Much Love Will Kill You")

2001

Golden Rose Film Festival, Montreux: Prix de la Presse (The Freddie Mercury Untold Story)

2002
New York Film Festival: Gold World Medal for the Best Television and Entertainment Program (Variety Special Section), Gold World Medal for the Best Home Video (Music Video Section) for The Freddie Mercury Untold Story

Capital FM Awards: Outstanding Contribution to Music

Guinness World Records: UK’s best single of the past 50 years ("Bohemian Rhapsody")

Annual DVD Awards: Best DVD-Audio/Non Video (A Night at the Opera)
Surround Music Awards: "Most Adventurous Mix" and "Listener's Choice" (A Night at the Opera)

2003

Annual DVD Awards: Best DVD-Audio (The Game)

DVD Awards At The Universal Sheraton: DVD-Audio Of The Year (The Game)

Capital Legends Awards: Legendary Group

European Music DVD-Award: Best Live DVD (Live At Wembley Stadium)

Surround Music Award: "Best Mix: Non-Orchestral" (The Game)
2008

New York City radio station Q104.3 FM WAXQ names Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" number 13 in their 2008 Top 1,043 Songs Of All Time listener-generated countdown.

2011

At the MTV Europe Music Awards Queen received the Global Icon award.

Polls

1999 - The band was voted the 2nd greatest band in music history.

2005 - The band's performance at Live Aid is voted two times by a large selection of musicians and critics to be the greatest live show of all time.

2007 - The band was voted the 'Best British Band Of All Time.

2008 - The band enters the Grammy Hall of Fame.

What song was playing in the background of the video (FM's last party in 1990)? So heartwrenching :'(

That would be one of my favorites off Innuendo called Don't Try So Hard SOOO underrated.

Stone Cold Crazy

You mentioned the writers as the group. Would this be a similar process when they did One Vision?

I would say similar but different! Ha! Different in that the song had roots in another song - Freddie's song in Wreckage (which I've never heard so I don't know how similar they are). But I think Freddie brought it in and the band jammed on it enough together to change it to credit it to all four

(BTW I did buy that video of the Making of the Night of the Opera) Again all I can say is what an amazing production of creative artists working together ... and love the hard rocking and angry Freddie

Me too! :D

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