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Post by cheriemelissa on May 31, 2017 18:09:38 GMT -5
So much analysis of the "real Adam" from folks who don't even know him! Drives me nuts! Isn't possible that there are just many layers and sides of one person? We are lucky to stan a man who shows us so much.
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Post by wilis on May 31, 2017 18:09:56 GMT -5
I bothers me too. Even if some view it as a term of endearment from his friends we know many used it as a slur and for ridicule. This is not fun between friends but being put out there so publicly. I don't get it. i don't see it so much as a term of endearment, but rather an in-your-face battle-cry against all those that don't want him to show his more female side, be it vocally or visually or in any other way. Earlier somebody pointed back to that BTIKM video, where two sides of Adam (the socially amicable, easy-going, laid back Adam and the fiery, aggressive, angry Adam) inhabit the same person, need to live with each other, clearly know each other and understand each other, yet one almost kills the other. There are many other dualities when it comes to Adam, and the male - female one is certainly the most obvious and most talked about one. We have gone through two albums where we mostly saw 'Adam' only, and maybe he is starting to bring 'Madam' back a bit stronger in A4. For those who struggle with this, better get ready, because this is not the first hint we are getting that things are about to change. Craazy, if this were an in-your-face battle-cry then I would expect them to be initiating some sort of movement or taking part in an lgbtq event. But, no, after being part of the band for 5 years, this is the first time Brian has ever used the term Madam in regards to Adam. If that weren't bad enough, he's using it before people who may not know Adam, and certainly don't know him as we, his avid fans, do. You say Adam must know and must have approved of the reference and I have a feeling you're right, but, still, this jars me -- upsets me -- to my core. I sure hope that those of you who are saying it's ok and that we who doubt that should try and calm down, I hope you're right. And I will try to calm down, but it's going to be hard. I know Brian loves Adam and wouldn't intentionally hurt him, but sometimes it's easy to hurt the ones we love. Let's hope that Adam isn't hurt and lets hope even harder that I can calm down!!!!
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Post by wilis on May 31, 2017 18:16:48 GMT -5
i don't see it so much as a term of endearment, but rather an in-your-face battle-cry against all those that don't want him to show his more female side, be it vocally or visually or in any other way. Earlier somebody pointed back to that BTIKM video, where two sides of Adam (the socially amicable, easy-going, laid back Adam and the fiery, aggressive, angry Adam) inhabit the same person, need to live with each other, clearly know each other and understand each other, yet one almost kills the other. There are many other dualities when it comes to Adam, and the male - female one is certainly the most obvious and most talked about one. We have gone through two albums where we mostly saw 'Adam' only, and maybe he is starting to bring 'Madam' back a bit stronger in A4. For those who struggle with this, better get ready, because this is not the first hint we are getting that things are about to change. I 100% agree Craazyforadam. He proudly let his freak flag free that first album and tour but he may have gotten even more push back then we ever imagined. I just know he really pulled it back a lot over the last few years and two albums but lately, the last 6 months or so at least, he has increasingly seemed to be ready to push the envelop more and more as subduing his usual gender fluidity and visual experimentation did not really translate into increased mainstream 'success'. I suspect we are in for a great ride and I know there are lots of us who will celebrate this...and many who will not. The point is...flamboyant Adam is the NATURAL Adam...it is the toned down, unmadeup, conventional Adam that is unnatural...for him. As superfans, I believe it is up to us to show love and appreciation for the extra-ordinariness that is Madame lambert!! [not 'acceptance'...really?!...that sounds odd doesn't it?] We have seen bits and pieces of Madame over the last few years because we peruse every personal bit of news and pics we can find, but the general public has not. I suspect they may get a few more glimpses of that Original Glam King again....yeah mea culpa...this is easy for me as I am really attracted and intrigued by the gender pushing outfits..one of my favorite is that lace tank and baggy Killer Queen pants....love that!!! And the really muscle bound testosterone fueled macho displays on some men give me icky hives....and shivers. I cannot abide the forced masculinity of sportscasters and ads for manly vehicles...EEEEEWWWWW. Give me that lace tank any day of the week....lol Yes, this. You've explained it all in a way that makes sense to me. I had totally forgotten about that flamboyant side that he loves to show. Mea culpa -- how could I have forgotten? So now I get it. Whew! I feel so much better. And I'm not mad at Brian anymore. Thank Heaven.
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Post by yum on May 31, 2017 18:31:26 GMT -5
I have a feeling a chapter head in a 3-D Queen book won't have much effect on how Adam is perceived.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 19:04:06 GMT -5
So much analysis of the "real Adam" from folks who don't even know him! Drives me nuts! Isn't possible that there are just many layers and sides of one person? We are lucky to stan a man who shows us so much. WE all have layers. some we keep to ourselves, some only our closest family friends see but to the world we show many things.. How we look dress, act or speak depends on circumstance or activity. What personality trait, i've wondered makes me comfortable at burning man or at a fancy restaurant. Yet in both cases I'm me. Adam I would think has even more layers and when he shows them feel privileged that he is comfortable enough now to do so.
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Post by melliemom on May 31, 2017 19:16:22 GMT -5
I'm kind of thinking Baby is putting himself in a corner...but if he doesn't mind ..It is what it is... : Ah yes, but he has always prized "Keeping it real..." and that corner is where he feels real, clearly. He is just finally ready to take the 'real' public! Good for him.... I think he should not have to feel like it needs to be force-fed out as in fyi, nor struggled with as in Trespassing and The Original High. Time to just be real and let the chips fall where they may. JMHO ETA...I do not mean by this that his 'real' self is especially different from the one we have known all along...just that his softer side looks ready to see the light of day more often and fully, I suspect. At least, that is what all the signs say to me...ymmv I agree with you mszue , I think Adam wants to be fearlessly REAL. . IMHO Adam appears to be both masculine and feminine . His sexual appearance may be like the currents of a river changing ,alternating never totally fixed..I think this fluidity is a great deal of his appeal , Beside his voice and gorgeousness. So To me the Madam Adam was kind of stereotyping Adam, not leaving him the room to flow
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Post by EenieMeenie on May 31, 2017 20:47:48 GMT -5
Dr Bri was asked in the MOJO mag interview if "Madam Lambert" was okay with Adam. He answered that he had asked Adam and Adam was totally fine with it. I've posted that interview a day or so ago Thanks, you saved me the trouble of going back and finding your post! I knew that someone had posted that Bri had gotten Adam's permission to use Madam.
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Post by girldrummer on May 31, 2017 20:55:44 GMT -5
Dr Bri was asked in the MOJO mag interview if "Madam Lambert" was okay with Adam. He answered that he had asked Adam and Adam was totally fine with it. I've posted that interview a day or so ago Thanks, you saved me the trouble of going back and finding your post! I knew that someone had posted that Bri had gotten Adam's permission to use Madam. Well, that's a relief. Saves us a lot of time psychoanalyzing everything. As Adam says, sometimes it's "not that deep." Adam has many sides, one of them being a "Madam" in his own way. He and Brian are very close friends. Glad that they're on the same page with this. Shows a kind of freedom on both sides.
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Post by marionm on May 31, 2017 21:19:14 GMT -5
So much analysis of the "real Adam" from folks who don't even know him! Drives me nuts! Isn't possible that there are just many layers and sides of one person? We are lucky to stan a man who shows us so much. WE all have layers. some we keep to ourselves, some only our closest family friends see but to the world we show many things.. How we look dress, act or speak depends on circumstance or activity. What personality trait, i've wondered makes me comfortable at burning man or at a fancy restaurant. Yet in both cases I'm me. Adam I would think has even more layers and when he shows them feel privileged that he is comfortable enough now to do so. A-MEN! It baffles me to read posts suggesting that "Era 2" and "Era3" Adam (a weird expression in itself) are sooo distant from who Adam "really" is to the point where it's almost phony! In my opinion it is doing Adam quite wrong trying to box/stereotype him...like he's said some boxes are important to check to give us a feeling of self and belonging but not too much, so that it doesn't separate us.
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Post by Craazyforadam on May 31, 2017 22:11:02 GMT -5
Nobody knows who somebody else is inside, true for anybody, and especially true for somebody who is far removed from us and very different from us.
The extra wrinkle with an artist or any famous person, for that matter, is that there is the extra layer of that public image, whatever that is, because obviously, we each have our own perspective or perception about any public figure.
Besides figuring himself out, Adam has the task to shape this 'image' thing to the extent that he can influence it. The rest of that image is created by the media and by the public itself, and is therefore not that much under his control. That must be especially frustrating, in case he thinks that image is off, meaning very different than his wish what it should be. I don't know whether he feels that way, I am just saying, that it must be tough for a famous person to deal with that image, like constantly looking into a distorted mirror of sorts.
With every album or every major media cycle Adam gets a chance to influence this image, shape the discussion for the next round of interviews. He makes those choices, but what the result of his choices is going to be, that is again not very much in his control.
The whole male - female topic is not so much an issue because of Adam himself, he seems quite comfortable in his skin from what I can tell. The issue is more, that this male-female topic tends to have two inherent challenges.
a) it tends to take over. i.e. that is all people want to talk about, whether it is media or fans or whoever. Remember his tweet: 'gay, gay, yay, yay (about his interview with Bravo in Germany). He could not get a word in about his music, his ideas, what the album was about, anything...it was all about the gay topic, and often sensationalist and reduced to such visual elements like guy liner on top of it. That is the first issue with this topic.
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b) It is divisive, as people tend to have strong feelings and not all are positive, even within his fanbase. His fans tend to be concerned, rather than antagonistic, of course. They may be concerned that he is pigeon-holed, or pushed into a corner far from mainstream, or less successful, or misunderstood, etc. They carry with them all their own experiences from their own lives, or from talking with others about Adam, or from what we read in the media. Because we all know that there is a cruel world out there. And it is going to show itself, if Madam Lambert is here to stay.
Adam is now on round 4 of this, 8 years in, he knows every bit of this. He needs to do what he thinks is the right next step in molding this 'image'. And we need to be ready to support him. That's our job. What behind all this the true Adam thinks, who knows. I have no idea what he thinks, whether he is afraid, or brave, or both, whether he feels driven to steer things a certain way, or wether it is just some idea, etc. But what I do anticipate is that he is clearly getting ready to do things a bit differently, and 'Madam Lambert' is going to be around for more than just one BBC interview, imo.
For those of you who were around during FYE, do you remember the Scarlet Letter 'A' on the back of his cape/coat?
'Madam Lambert" is imo the adamized version of exactly that, a symbol/name placed by others with the intent to shame, that is seen by society as something degrading or bad or sinful, and that is then owned and turned around by the person to become a sign of strength and pride instead.
We shall see what will happen, both with QAL and then with A4.
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