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Post by mszue on Jun 15, 2018 18:38:59 GMT -5
An important factor that determines a singer's success imo, is the listeners' perception of them. It's been mentioned here plenty of times that people's perception of Adam as a TV singing competition alum is probably hindering his radio success. Singing with Queen helps solidify his reputation as one of the best voices in the world. Now that that's done, another way of making people take him more seriously is by fixing his image as a song writer. As unjustified as it is that people don't think much of someone who's "just" a singer (unless the singer is a really hot woman...), people would take him more seriously if they know he does write. I wonder if making him a judge in that song writing competition is his management way of achieving just that. I know where you are coming from about artist writing their songs. That seems to be important in today's music scene. But I keep thinking that great and popular artist like Michael Jackson, and older singers like Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennett never wrote their music and it was never a prerequisite to be considered in their popularity. It was all about how they were able to grab the audience with their talent and showmanship. They got great songs from good songwriters and they made these songs their own. It certainly didn't hurt their popularity. I guess I just don't give TWO FUX if a song I hear was written by the person singing. It is all about liking what I am hearing. Things change and there is no use arguing about the old timers...that is not the way it is and that is that. I am surprised at the claim re Michael Jackson as I think he wrote all or much of many if not most of his songs...according to wikipedia et al at least... I suspect part of why writing is so difficult for Adam is that he is not proficient on an instrument...so rather like a story teller who can't write...can tell a great story but can't write it down for others to edit...doesn't stop the story creation but certainly makes it difficult to recreate it consistently when others are involved in the production. I remember when I started University in the late 80's I had to hand-write my papers and finish 3 days early so I could get someone else to type them out for me....eventually I just had to learn to keyboard and use the computer or I was at a severe disadvantage....I would think creating music without writing it down must be somewhat analogous.... And before you all jump down my throat...I totally agree it is unfair that the Diva's can get away with no cred issue when they don't write....Adam has spent his years honing his presentational skills until they dwarf those of many of his contemporaries....I am only talking of the difficulties of music writing....period...
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Post by katycake on Jun 15, 2018 19:35:34 GMT -5
An important factor that determines a singer's success imo, is the listeners' perception of them. It's been mentioned here plenty of times that people's perception of Adam as a TV singing competition alum is probably hindering his radio success. Singing with Queen helps solidify his reputation as one of the best voices in the world. Now that that's done, another way of making people take him more seriously is by fixing his image as a song writer. As unjustified as it is that people don't think much of someone who's "just" a singer (unless the singer is a really hot woman...), people would take him more seriously if they know he does write. I wonder if making him a judge in that song writing competition is his management way of achieving just that. I know where you are coming from about artist writing their songs. That seems to be important in today's music scene. But I keep thinking that great and popular artist like Michael Jackson, and older singers like Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennett never wrote their music and it was never a prerequisite to be considered in their popularity. It was all about how they were able to grab the audience with their talent and showmanship. They got great songs from good songwriters and they made these songs their own. It certainly didn't hurt their popularity. I guess I just don't give TWO FUX if a song I hear was written by the person singing. It is all about liking what I am hearing. I actually don't need a singer should write their own songs in order for me to appreciate them. But the fact is, Adam does co-write most of his own songs, I suspect much more so than some other singers who are well known for writing their own songs. He's just not perceived as such. It's all a matter of perception, and that's where management and good PR come in.
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Post by Craazyforadam on Jun 15, 2018 19:38:23 GMT -5
I know where you are coming from about artist writing their songs. That seems to be important in today's music scene. But I keep thinking that great and popular artist like Michael Jackson, and older singers like Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennett never wrote their music and it was never a prerequisite to be considered in their popularity. It was all about how they were able to grab the audience with their talent and showmanship. They got great songs from good songwriters and they made these songs their own. It certainly didn't hurt their popularity. I guess I just don't give TWO FUX if a song I hear was written by the person singing. It is all about liking what I am hearing. Things change and there is no use arguing about the old timers...that is not the way it is and that is that. I am surprised at the claim re Michael Jackson as I think he wrote all or much of many if not most of his songs...according to wikipedia et al at least... I suspect part of why writing is so difficult for Adam is that he is not proficient on an instrument...so rather like a story teller who can't write...can tell a great story but can't write it down for others to edit...doesn't stop the story creation but certainly makes it difficult to recreate it consistently when others are involved in the production. I remember when I started University in the late 80's I had to hand-write my papers and finish 3 days early so I could get someone else to type them out for me....eventually I just had to learn to keyboard and use the computer or I was at a severe disadvantage....I would think creating music without writing it down must be somewhat analogous.... And before you all jump down my throat...I totally agree it is unfair that the Diva's can get away with no cred issue when they don't write....Adam has spent his years honing his presentational skills until they dwarf those of many of his contemporaries....I am only talking of the difficulties of music writing....period... Totally agree with you @mzsue.
I think we should also always remember that the overall perception of an artist is not created by a few voices that in an attempt of self-importance try to put somebody else in place and rank wherever they think fit.
Only we few that read and devour every comment ever made, will know those words. For most people, their perception of Adam is still very much shaped by idol, by pictures around that they have seen since, by the fact that his name keeps popping up and he is not one of those idols that has 'gone away', but rather somebody who continues to be a presence in the cultural and social scene he belongs to.
He gets interview opportunities from Billboard and others who are eager to hear what he has to say, and he continues to define his career. Obviously, certain hit songs, or certain film roles, or any other events that might be in Adam's future will continue to shape this perception, but I have never seen that the nay-sayers get to have the last word. I think we need to stop worrying about them, and rather focus on all those glorious and lasting musical moments Adam is creating together with Queen. They have pretty much been a touring presence on the Arena circuit for the last 5 years now.
And Adam has introduced himself to millions more people, especially through the BBC special, and he has created for himself a financial independence, that I think is so important for his future, including any potential one as a song writer.
I also want to respond to the ongoing discussion about the ' I know what you are thinking'...speech.
I think one thing that we need to remember, is that people don't normally think through their own perceptions. They have immortalized Freddie, but they are not necessarily aware of that fact. It might be hindering their enjoyment of anything that is happening now, but like a blockage that we are not aware of, they cannot remove it in their minds, because it is not a conscientious behavior. It has nothing to do with Adam, it would happen to anybody standing there. By giving this speech, Adam creates a release valve of some sorts, for these pent up thoughts. People seem to need it, even if it bugs us, but they need it not because they have anything against Adam, it is because they have a deity in their heads that blocks their ability to enjoy what is in front of them. After Adam's speech, they can continue and celebrate the now. Adam is just psychologically smart enough to sense it and react to it, and is generous enough to just roll with it. His win, and everyone's win. People go home fulfilled and happy, and that is what matters.
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