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Post by 4Ms on Mar 22, 2011 15:29:56 GMT -5
And, yeah, I'm still pissed about it. Are you still pissed that Adam lost American Idol? Serious question because to me that's about as much of an issue to Adam's career success as GMA cancelling him was. I don't think either one is an issue about Adam's success. Adam should have won AI. That's the way I feeeeeeeeel. |
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Post by wal on Mar 22, 2011 15:35:42 GMT -5
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Post by wonderstruck on Mar 22, 2011 15:42:08 GMT -5
I don't particularly like the the horse analogy or the fruit. One, you shouldn't be beating horses. Two, the horse is definitely not dead. Three, it's nuts, not fruit. Let's talk about morality issues because that's what we're really talking about. I don't know that you can have a meaningful duologue about morality on a message board because things get lost in translation however I'll give it a shot at expressing my thoughts. I have no issue with Chris Brown. Why some might ask since he beat up his girlfriend. Do I condone or excuse domestic violence? HELL NO! I grew up in a house with a father who was abusive, had a husband who was abusive so I know all about domestic violence. I don't condone it at all! However, Chris took full responsibility for his actions, something that most batterers don't do (something that Mel Gibson still hasn't done btw) and he should be allowed to TRY to prove that he's a changed man. IMO constantly berating him and trying to prevent him from moving on with his life will only serve to deepen whatever anger and frustration issues he was already dealing with. He was sentenced, he did what the court asked and he's trying to move on with his life and his career and IMO he should be allowed to do so. Where is the morality of not forgiving someone for their mistakes when they seek that forgiveness and seem genuine in their desire to make themselves better? I have really nothing to say on the issue of sex v. violence because I completely agree. However IMO you can't compare what Chris did and what Adam did. Chris wasn't caught on tape beating anyone. No one has to worry that he's going to suddenly punch someone in the face on live television (or we should hope not). Adam made a poor decision performance wise and did things that people took offense too. Should they be more offended that Chris beat up a girl? yes and whose to say they aren't but the reality is Adam's behavior took place while he was performing, something he would be doing while booked on their show. Chris wasn't in the course and scope of his job as a performer... if he had punched a dancer in the face while performing I'm guessing (or at least hoping) the reaction to being leery of him performing would be the same. eta: I liked Kris on Idol and thought he was just as deserving of winning as Adam *shrug* |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Mar 22, 2011 15:47:27 GMT -5
[bounds in wearing lolly-covered moderator hat] YAY!! GLAMNATION DAY!!!Just a reminder gals and guys - comparing Chris Brown and Adam *is* valid. Critiquing other posters about why they personally feel a certain way about the comparison is not. To wit, saying "I personally think that...." is fine. Saying "You shouldn't feel like..." tain't kosher protocol on this board. Oh, and remember, the scroll button can be your friend. [scroll, scroll, scroll]Carry on peeps! [dances off]  So hot out the box.... |
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Post by gelly14 on Mar 22, 2011 15:48:05 GMT -5
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Post by bridgeymah on Mar 22, 2011 15:48:14 GMT -5
Adam is a big boy and he has consistently stood by his actions. Chris Brown likewise - contrite or not has to live with his actions, these kinds of events are a lightening rod for a much needed and deeper conversation about the demonization of sexuality and worship of violence in US society and if making the comparison gets people to think differently then bravo. I agree with this, Bridgey, especially the red part. I appreciate what you're saying about moving on, Wonderstruck, but I don't think of this as being about Adam any more at all. It's about a troubling double standard about violence and sex in our culture, and the coincidence of the Chris Brown/Adam GMA decision (and the fact that they both have new material out this week) just serves as a very handy shorthand for beginning that discussion. It's symbolic rather than being specifically newsworthy. But ABC's decision a year and a half ago wasn't random--and it was representative of a general and ongoing unhappy trend. GMA can't undo their decision, it's true, but if striking images like the one with Rihanna and Adam/Tommy begin a conversation about our relative values in this country, that can't be a bad thing, as far as I'm concerned. Personally, I've never been desperate to forget the AMA hoopla. I'm sure it got boring and annoying for Adam in interview after interview, but it placed him on the right side of an ongoing and important national debate, and I think Adam, as a performer, is the perfect symbol of the idea that sexy doesn't have to be bad--it can be joyous. Yep that's the issue all right. I am consistently outraged that anything sexual is considered to be corrupting young minds but "insert video game name here" is just helping learn new skills (like how to shoot straight when they go on a school rampage)... |
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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Mar 22, 2011 15:50:29 GMT -5
I don't particularly like the the horse analogy or the fruit. One, you shouldn't be beating horses. Two, the horse is definitely not dead. Three, it's nuts, not fruit. Let's talk about morality issues because that's what we're really talking about. I don't know that you can have a meaningful duologue about morality on a message board because things get lost in translation however I'll give it a shot at expressing my thoughts. I have no issue with Chris Brown. Why some might ask since he beat up his girlfriend. Do I condone or excuse domestic violence? HELL NO! I grew up in a house with a father who was abusive, had a husband who was abusive so I know all about domestic violence. I don't condone it at all! However, Chris took full responsibility for his actions, something that most batterers don't do (something that Mel Gibson still hasn't done btw) and he should be allowed to TRY to prove that he's a changed man. IMO constantly berating him and trying to prevent him from moving on with his life will only serve to deepen whatever anger and frustration issues he was already dealing with. He was sentenced, he did what the court asked and he's trying to move on with his life and his career and IMO he should be allowed to do so. Where is the morality of not forgiving someone for their mistakes when they seek that forgiveness and seem genuine in their desire to make themselves better? I have really nothing to say on the issue of sex v. violence because I completely agree. However IMO you can't compare what Chris did and what Adam did. Chris wasn't caught on tape beating anyone. No one has to worry that he's going to suddenly punch someone in the face on live television (or we should hope not). Adam made a poor decision performance wise and did things that people took offense too. Should they be more offended that Chris beat up a girl? yes and whose to say they aren't but the reality is Adam's behavior took place while he was performing, something he would be doing while booked on their show. Chris wasn't in the course and scope of his job as a performer... if he had punched a dancer in the face while performing I'm guessing (or at least hoping) the reaction to being leery of him performing would be the same. eta: I liked Kris on Idol and thought he was just as deserving of winning as Adam *shrug* I just want to let you know that I agree with you. Brown is a douche dejour but everyone is entitled to at least a second chance. Personally I don't think he is gonna become some angel and I totally think he is gonna fuck up again hardcore, but it would be wrong to say oh well so and so deserves a second chance and so and so doesn't. Yes the circumstances are completely different and yes going off script in a performance vs beating the shit outta your girlfriend are different and really can't be compared, but the bottom line is they are both mistakes and if both parties own up for their actions or whatever then they should at least be given a second chance to write whatever wrongs. Yeah I don't like Chris Brown but no one should be written off completely right away. Everyone deserves a second chance in life....unless they fuck with me because then bitch IT'S ON. lmaoo |
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Post by lindy on Mar 22, 2011 15:50:59 GMT -5
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Post by murly on Mar 22, 2011 15:51:38 GMT -5
I'm stunned, but I can't say anything about this without starting a board war, so I won't. I'll just say that everybody's gotta do what they gotta do. I have to continue protesting ABC's seeming acceptance of a girlfriend beater while getting all offended about a same-sex kiss and a quick, fully-dressed simulation of oral sex. Anyone who wants to let it go is free to do so.
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