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Post by maddie509 on Jul 15, 2012 21:20:04 GMT -5
Not to mention two failed singles in the US is probably not helping. I would think it would be pretty difficult to get Radio 1 to jump on board with NCOE when it hasn't caught on anywhere else. It all comes back to the single choices and RCA dropping the ball in the US. ^^^^^THIS! Although NCOE hasn't broken him on the UK airwave, IMO, this whole campaign has definitely made some serious "Adam impressions" and created a better platform than last time around for future singles. Now, my concern is how soon RCA will release the new single to UK, cuz NCOE is peaked out and you gotta strike while the iron is still hot. |
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Post by bullsfan on Jul 15, 2012 22:38:17 GMT -5
So I'm confused. I thought the purpose of the whole campaign was to get NCOE high enough on the chart so that radio would "have" to play it. I'm sure I read this. Now people are saying that NCOE has actually peaked and the purpose was to pave the way for the next single.
I admit I don't really understand how UK radio works, but it seems to me that Adam is going to have a lot of trouble getting a song played in the UK that has not been a hit (and probably a big hit) on US CHR first.
It's weird, the Queen concerts are done and I am left feeling a little uneasy. Where does Adam go from here? I guess a lot hinges on how the whole AI judging thing plays out. I mean, what happens next?
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Post by evamaria on Jul 15, 2012 22:47:05 GMT -5
So after week #1 it's downhill all the way in the UK unless it's already high on the radio play chart before the release date? Is that right?
And the songs on this chart that were not huge hits in the rest of the world are considered "stand out songs"?
www.ukairplaychart.com/uk/rolling_week/
Ok - the position of NCOE is meaningful then ONLY in relation to how receptive R1 might be to single #2, right?
Trying to understand......... Yes, yes to your 1st and 3rd paragraphs. NCOE hasn't broken him in the UK. Airplay without Radio 1, even with Capital on board, just didn't get high enough - Shoshanna needed the high sales figures/chart position for NCOE from the fans to be able to push Cuckoo (high five to mys*&@^#r!). For your 2nd paragraph, I'd love to do a cross comparison between that airplay chart, the Radio 1 playlist and the Official (sales) chart. Radio 1 regularly jumps all over songs and puts them on their A list that never chart particularly well relatively. Getting on their playlist doesn't guarantee success, but they are the great influencer. I'm trying to wrap my head around this. 1. Is it already too late for Radio 1 to add ncoe? If not, what is the time frame we're looking at for an add? 2. Will ncoe's performance determine whether or not another single from the same album is accepted by UK radio? If it does, what kind of performance is deemed acceptable? 3. Does Trespassing and singles from it have a chance in hell in the UK? |
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Post by bullsfan on Jul 15, 2012 23:02:08 GMT -5
Lol, well at least I'm not the only one totally confused by all this. Is it really time for the next single in the UK? And how in the heck will they make that happen? Poor Shoshanna, does she have anything left?
RCA really screwed up the singles. Remember when BTIKM was going to be the single released in the UK? And then suddenly it was the "buzz single." then they went with NCOE when the British media was going nuts over Cuckoo and Trespassing? Shoshanna must be tearing her hair out! Now after pushing NCOE hard for the past few weeks she has to turn around and try to convince radio to play something else already?
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Post by sage on Jul 15, 2012 23:03:58 GMT -5
So I'm confused. I thought the purpose of the whole campaign was to get NCOE high enough on the chart so that radio would "have" to play it. I'm sure I read this. Now people are saying that NCOE has actually peaked and the purpose was to pave the way for the next single. I admit I don't really understand how UK radio works, but it seems to me that Adam is going to have a lot of trouble getting a song played in the UK that has not been a hit (and probably a big hit) on US CHR first. It's weird, the Queen concerts are done and I am left feeling a little uneasy. Where does Adam go from here? I guess a lot hinges on how the whole AI judging thing plays out. I mean, what happens next? Only problem is, even with a fan push GLOBALLY, it didn't crack the Top 10. Fans outside the UK were helpig with the sales. It's now dropping down iTunes like a lead balloon. If it had stayed higher up on iTunes, I'd say it had a chance. Same thing happened in the US. RCA needs to wake up, it's the damn song. Why they would send something to radio that has flopped everywhere else, boggles the mind. And if the post from earlier is true that Radio 1 is being pressured to focus more on the teen market, sounds like they're just following in the same direction that US CHR has already gone in. Even though the Queen shows brought Adam a lot of good press in the UK, again...the audience those Queen shows packed in was not an extremely young audience. If those shows had been full of screaming 16 year olds, different story, Radio 1 probably would have paid more attention. But considering RCA let two singles sink in the US beforehand, they didn't do him any favors in the UK. |
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Post by bullsfan on Jul 15, 2012 23:19:09 GMT -5
I think maybe the problem is that in most cases it's the song that breaks the artist. The song comes first which introduces the audience to the artist naturally. People hear a song and then discover the singer. Does that make sense? With Adam they are going about it in the complete opposite way by trying to break the artist first with the song coming after. Obviously, this is the result of coming off a singing competition, but can it work if you're not a cute boy band?
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Post by evamaria on Jul 16, 2012 0:25:24 GMT -5
Only problem is, even with a fan push GLOBALLY, it didn't crack the Top 10. Fans outside the UK were helpig with the sales. It's now dropping down iTunes like a lead balloon. If it had stayed higher up on iTunes, I'd say it had a chance. Same thing happened in the US. RCA needs to wake up, it's the damn song. Why they would send something to radio that has flopped everywhere else, boggles the mind. And if the post from earlier is true that Radio 1 is being pressured to focus more on the teen market, sounds like they're just following in the same direction that US CHR has already gone in. Even though the Queen shows brought Adam a lot of good press in the UK, again...the audience those Queen shows packed in was not an extremely young audience. If those shows had been full of screaming 16 year olds, different story, Radio 1 probably would have paid more attention. But considering RCA let two singles sink in the US beforehand, they didn't do him any favors in the UK. I still think it's not the song but the long delay between singles and lack of promotion, in both the US and the UK. His only tv appearance in the UK was GN, which took place two weeks before the album and the single were released. Queen concerts were Queen, not Adam; since they were not televised, their audience was very small. Adam's UK promo came down to blurbs and articles--print media. Print media is not enough to break an artist. |
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Post by maddie509 on Jul 16, 2012 1:26:39 GMT -5
So I'm confused. I thought the purpose of the whole campaign was to get NCOE high enough on the chart so that radio would "have" to play it. I'm sure I read this. Now people are saying that NCOE has actually peaked and the purpose was to pave the way for the next single. I admit I don't really understand how UK radio works, but it seems to me that Adam is going to have a lot of trouble getting a song played in the UK that has not been a hit (and probably a big hit) on US CHR first. It's weird, the Queen concerts are done and I am left feeling a little uneasy. Where does Adam go from here? I guess a lot hinges on how the whole AI judging thing plays out. I mean, what happens next? I read it too, bullsfan, but I think the poster meant to say that Radio 1 would play it on their Top 40 count down program, not add to their playlist. Of course, IF NCOE had been really high up on the chart, it would've certainly made all that behind-the-scenes work much easier; by the same token, IF it had been a big hit in the US, then we probably would've not been having this discussion right now....oh, wait! WWFM was a huge hit in many countries including US, but peaked at #53 on the UK Singles Chart (FYE the song fared better at #37....but considering FYE UK promo wasn't very smooth, imagine it otherwise...) I doubt RCA & Adam would hinge the rest of TSP project on the AI gig, honestly, IMO it's a long shot! and Adam knows it too, although he wants it bad. Yes, what happens next??? lots of old-fashioned hard ground work and some serious delicious deal making, I hope! |
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Post by maddie509 on Jul 16, 2012 1:30:08 GMT -5
I think maybe the problem is that in most cases it's the song that breaks the artist. The song comes first which introduces the audience to the artist naturally. People hear a song and then discover the singer. Does that make sense? With Adam they are going about it in the complete opposite way by trying to break the artist first with the song coming after. Obviously, this is the result of coming off a singing competition, but can it work if you're not a cute boy band? Love what you said here, bullsfan!  (though, Adam is cuter.  ) |
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Post by JazzRocks on Jul 16, 2012 7:40:00 GMT -5
Since we're asking "What next" what do you think of this from twitter? I'm sure saga doesn't mind if I post it here as she posts here occasionally.
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Well, he'd have to seek non-mainstream ways for success.
He needs to build up a fanbase outside radio. He can do it throught Queen or something like a tour others,
I mean this is what I would do. Work on Queen tour and a tour with SS/Gossip/Sparro. Work from underground up. Get a good band.
It's not a way to chart, but its a way to sustain a career and gain a fanbase outside mainstream.
MY WORDS: After the high of the Queen concerts it's depressing as hell to face the reality of radio/sales again.
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