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Post by evamaria on Aug 14, 2012 12:49:05 GMT -5
Just saw on twitter that Swift's new single reached #1 on iTunes in 50 min - a record! And 300 CC radio stations are playing it every hour.  So - signs are pointing to Trespassing being the next single. What do you numbers gurus think? My (completely uninformed) opinion is: I love the song & am happy for Adam that one of HIS songs will be single #3. BUT - when I listen to top40 radio, admittedly sporadically, most of the songs are sung with cartoonish voices (Levine, Carly Rae, Cher L., etc). That seems to be what teens like at the moment. And the lyrics are very simplistic love/heartbreak-type lyrics. Trespassing just seems too sophisticated for top40 radio to me. Tell me I'm wrong! I enjoy top 40 as a wall of music to speed to while I drive, but don't know who sings what :/ Very embarrassing, sorry. I haven't noticed the toon voices, but have noticed a number of exceptions to the cloned songs that we hear over and over again. Only the gods know how one gets radio play; by all contradictory accounts, it is complicated and unpredictable. If there was a formula, then labels would get hits and more hits by following it, yet they don't...which means the formula, if there is one, is fucked up. Odds are there is a formula (payola in its various guises), but it is made unreliable by factors which no one is able to spell out. My worry is that if rca couldn't sell ncoe--fun, hooky, summer song sired by Bruno, and with a "deeper" side perfect for Adam--then it can't sell anything, anywhere, whatever the quality of the song, so long as it's by Adam. That makes me worry about Trespassing. It's a great song, but it's not as radio friendly as ncoe. imo it's not "sophisticated," but a catchy, repetitive thing...an anthem. I don't know the answer to your question, and I don't know if there IS an answer to your question. |
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Post by jean1010 on Aug 14, 2012 14:07:07 GMT -5
Regarding DMG, I am thinking about the empty schedule for Sept/Oct. We will see if they come through. If radio isn't cooperating--and they aren't-- then something else has to happen for a third single to have a chance. Regarding CHR and what works there these days, I say all rules are out the window. Yes, there are a lot of teen, British acts, but there are also a lot of "not CHR sounding" songs that have made a mark. When my KISS station has embraced Adele, Gotye, Fun then things have changed. But, it seems like a song (that's not from the usual suspects) needs a little push from somewhere to get it on the radar----let's hope RCA/DMG have a plan. My hope is that because Trespassing is somewhat sophisticated and different compared to other things on the radio like Somebody I Used to Know is, it will do well. My fear is that it will be thrown out without support and thus go nowhere again. Hoping for a plan, but am scared there isn't one good enough to make a difference. Also agree with those saying itunes placement is important to encourage radio play. |
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Post by nica575 on Aug 14, 2012 14:47:24 GMT -5
Just saw on twitter that Swift's new single reached #1 on iTunes in 50 min - a record! And 300 CC radio stations are playing it every hour. So - signs are pointing to Trespassing being the next single. What do you numbers gurus think? My (completely uninformed) opinion is: I love the song & am happy for Adam that one of HIS songs will be single #3. BUT - when I listen to top40 radio, admittedly sporadically, most of the songs are sung with cartoonish voices (Levine, Carly Rae, Cher L., etc). That seems to be what teens like at the moment. And the lyrics are very simplistic love/heartbreak-type lyrics. Trespassing just seems too sophisticated for top40 radio to me. Tell me I'm wrong! I enjoy top 40 as a wall of music to speed to while I drive, but don't know who sings what :/ Very embarrassing, sorry. I haven't noticed the toon voices, but have noticed a number of exceptions to the cloned songs that we hear over and over again. Only the gods know how one gets radio play; by all contradictory accounts, it is complicated and unpredictable. If there was a formula, then labels would get hits and more hits by following it, yet they don't...which means the formula, if there is one, is fucked up. Odds are there is a formula (payola in its various guises), but it is made unreliable by factors which no one is able to spell out. My worry is that if rca couldn't sell ncoe--fun, hooky, summer song sired by Bruno, and with a "deeper" side perfect for Adam--then it can't sell anything, anywhere, whatever the quality of the song, so long as it's by Adam. That makes me worry about Trespassing. It's a great song, but it's not as radio friendly as ncoe. imo it's not "sophisticated," but a catchy, repetitive thing...an anthem. I don't know the answer to your question, and I don't know if there IS an answer to your question. I have no idea what and how the songs get picked up by the radio. I sure hope there will be an effort behind TP. NCOE was not even picked by VH1, despite visually interesting MV - this tells me that there was no real push behind the song ( again, IDK how the VH1 deal works). TP is a wonderful song on so many levels...if it doesn't work - then I will "give up"...but for now I am OK . The fact that Adam is so happy and cheerful gives me hope for wonderful things to come - whatever shape they take. |
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Post by jean1010 on Aug 14, 2012 15:08:56 GMT -5
It seemed very odd to me that VH1 didn't show the NCOE video. It is such an interesting video and showing it could have helped that song.
Remember in the beginning RCA seemed to be implying that PDs had given their stamp of approval over other single contenders? What was up with that? It is obvious now that this was some kind of a rouse. I bought into it, and expected good radio support. Now I am much more skeptical.
Here is hoping that three is the charm.
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Post by bullsfan on Aug 14, 2012 15:53:04 GMT -5
Well, Adam said NCOE was what radio "showed the most interest in," which isn't any kind of ringing endorsement.
One thing that seems pretty certain is that radio is not going to play a new single from Adam just on their own. There is going to have to be some kind of push; whether it is huge press from an Idol judging gig, major promo for the song from a commercial or movie trailer, a major TV show using it, a sports team or channel picking it up as some kind of anthem (if it's Trespassing), or whatever. Something needs to happen to get the song noticed first, then maybe radio will bite. Because I have no faith that RCA can, on it's own, get CHR stations to spin the song. And that's not really a knock on RCA. I think they have done all that they can---radio is making a statement (and not just with Adam)
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Post by JazzRocks on Aug 14, 2012 16:12:12 GMT -5
I was watching the videos from Wilkes Barre yesterday (he was on fire - I was there!) That concert was just after the album release and at one point he says "Yeah we made #1!!!" and looked so happy. We all cheered of course. We were so proud! Now when I see it I'm just sad because after that it was a swift downward spiral.
But that was then & this is now. He seems happy and excited looking to the future. I just hope it's not impossible at this point to resurrect Trespassing. I agree it will take a major push to get another single played on radio. Many of us are still trying to figure out what went wrong with the first 2 singles and what RCA will do differently this time - if anything.
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Post by jean1010 on Aug 14, 2012 16:22:13 GMT -5
Well, Adam said NCOE was what radio "showed the most interest in," which isn't any kind of ringing endorsement. One thing that seems pretty certain is that radio is not going to play a new single from Adam just on their own. There is going to have to be some kind of push; whether it is huge press from an Idol judging gig, major promo for the song from a commercial or movie trailer, a major TV show using it, a sports team or channel picking it up as some kind of anthem (if it's Trespassing), or whatever. Something needs to happen to get the song noticed first, then maybe radio will bite. Because I have no faith that RCA can, on it's own, get CHR stations to spin the song. And that's not really a knock on RCA. I think they have done all that they can---radio is making a statement (and not just with Adam) I like your ideas for various things that could push more radio play. I have been trying to think of ideas, but like your list better than mine. I doff my chapeau to you. What do you mean by (not just Adam). Are other RCA artists being shut out of radio play? |
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Post by stardust on Aug 14, 2012 16:54:04 GMT -5
I like your ideas for various things that could push more radio play. I have been trying to think of ideas, but like your list better than mine. I doff my chapeau to you. What do you mean by (not just Adam). Are other RCA artists being shut out of radio play? A lot of people believe that radio is reluctant to play songs by any Idols except Kelly and Carrie. Even Daughtry is having problems (although his sound is dated and be making play less likely). |
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Post by rama on Aug 14, 2012 16:57:04 GMT -5
I was watching the videos from Wilkes Barre yesterday (he was on fire - I was there!) That concert was just after the album release and at one point he says "Yeah we made #1!!!" and looked so happy. We all cheered of course. We were so proud! Now when I see it I'm just sad because after that it was a swift downward spiral. . Don't be sad. The fact that Adam got a #1 album continues to be a big deal. It is referred to often in press. No articles that reference that go on to say that it is now out of the BB200. A #1 album is something that can't be taken away from him no matter what happens! |
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Post by evamaria on Aug 14, 2012 17:13:59 GMT -5
Well, Adam said NCOE was what radio "showed the most interest in," which isn't any kind of ringing endorsement. One thing that seems pretty certain is that radio is not going to play a new single from Adam just on their own. There is going to have to be some kind of push; whether it is huge press from an Idol judging gig, major promo for the song from a commercial or movie trailer, a major TV show using it, a sports team or channel picking it up as some kind of anthem (if it's Trespassing), or whatever. Something needs to happen to get the song noticed first, then maybe radio will bite. Because I have no faith that RCA can, on it's own, get CHR stations to spin the song. And that's not really a knock on RCA. I think they have done all that they can---radio is making a statement (and not just with Adam) I agree; at this point there's no reason to love or hate rca. Most of us can agree that btikm was released in the weirdest way possible, but we don't know if they pushed it or not, and ditto with ncoe. Given that the first two singles failed, there is little reason to hope for much from rca, whether they pushed the first two or not. The third single will need major promotion on its own, and I love all the ideas you came up with. One thing in favor of Trespassing (and this is totally subjective, based on reactions of the people who have heard it) is that it's super easy to connect with, and makes an immediate impression. This is where its repetitiveness is a plus. You get the gist of the song in ten seconds flat, and if you enjoy it, there's more to come. |
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