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Post by tigerlily on Oct 9, 2012 0:03:25 GMT -5
Everyone has their times that they open for others or co-headline, EVERYONE! Carrie, Kelly, Daughtry, Rihanna, Bruno, Taylor Swift, even Pink! (who had to open for JT in the US even though she had a platinum selling album and radio hits) Radio isn't working. If Adam is the showman and performer that we all think he is, why wouldn't the strategy of getting him in front of music lovers, who have never heard him sing live or watched him perform, be a good idea? ETA: We should compare first albums to first albums off of AI, etc. Adam is experiencing the same drop all of the AI contestants experienced in the past with their second albums. Daughtry sold around 1 million copies of his second album in the US, Adam will probably make it to 200K with his second.
It seems that you and I have had the same discussion awhile back in the numbers thread...lol and I gotta disagree again. 
Yes, pretty much everyone has opened for someone bigger but that boat for Adam has long sailed. If this was his first time around the block, then yes but now...NO! On the other hand, co-headline is something that could be beneficial to Adam if done it right with the right act.
If Adam tours solo in the US next year, IMO, the size of venues would not be that different from GNT which were mostly theaters and casinos. No, he doesn't have a hit single on the radio or on the charts but previous GNT goers, Idol fans and casual fans will come to his concert if the tour gets promoted; people will come for the performance (because he IS the showman) and for the "oldies" and for the new flavors (that would be the glamberts).
I believe back then, before we knew the radio situation was going to be so bad, we were discussing Adam opening for some bigger acts outside of the US. ( as in, with Pink in stadiums that hold 50,000!) I still think that would be a good move. If Pink could open for JT, after she had several platinum albums and several #1 hits, Adam's ship hasn't sailed as far as being an opener! Pink came back two years later to do the Funhouse Tour in the US. Artists don't always follow the same pattern. Long ago, Kelly had to go back to co-headlining for a while before she could get back to headlining. Normally, a touring schedule depends on how an artist's current era is doing. (and it can change in different parts of the world) Very few artists are guaranteed a headlining type career for life. Sometimes, many have to go back to go forward. Sometimes they have to try different promotional avenues that they didn't have to consider in the previous era. If radio is a bust this era, they are going to have to try to do something different in many areas to prepare for the next era. grandduchess: Nope, just my prediction based on speculation and a few facts, like diminished album numbers and very little radio presence this era. In other words, what others do on this board on a daily basis!  |
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Post by wal on Oct 9, 2012 0:08:26 GMT -5
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Oct 9, 2012 0:21:33 GMT -5
Forget da thread. Imma stuck on page #1. [settles down in comfy beanbag chair] [stares happily] |
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Post by maddie509 on Oct 9, 2012 0:30:04 GMT -5
I believe back then, before we knew the radio situation was going to be so bad, we were discussing Adam opening for some bigger acts outside of the US. I still think that would be a good move. If Pink could open for JT, after she had several platinum albums and several #1 hits, Adam's ship hasn't sailed as far as being an opener! Pink came back two years later to do the Funhouse Tour in the US. Artists don't always follow the same pattern. Long ago, Kelly had to go back to co-headlining for a while before she could get back to headlining. Normally, a touring schedule depends on how an artist's current era is doing. (and it can change in different parts of the world) Very few artists are guaranteed a headlining type career for life. Sometimes, many have to go back to go forward. Sometimes they have to try different promotional avenues that they didn't have to consider in the previous era. If radio is a bust this era, they are going to have to try to do something different in many areas to prepare for the future. grandduchess: Nope, just my prediction based on speculation, or what others do on this board on a daily basis!
I whole-heartedly agreed with the bold part, as a matter of fact, what you said above all made a lot of sense. But, like you stated "artists don't always follow the same pattern", and Adam Lambert is an artist of unique status. When I said that being an opening act boat had sailed for Adam, I didn't mean like he's too big to open for anyone. No, that's not it. imo, financially I don't think Adam would want to be an opener 'cuz openers don't make shit! and I believe he needs to make money off his tour not just to put in his own pocket but RCA's to balance out the books (also, he might not be completely out of his first 3 year 360-like contract).
Based on Soaked's post:
"Even though Raja had to leave the tour halfway through to go compete on Drag Race, she says she would not trade the experience for anything in the world. With Lambert set to embark on his upcoming tour in support of his sophomore effort Trespassing, Raja says talks are in the work for her to accompany the “If I Had You” singer once again.
“I probably won’t be on as a make-up artist, he is kind of going down a different route. We talked about me helping with the art direction,” Raja says.
Read more: albumconfessions.blogspot.ca/2012....me-is-just.html"
Looks like Adam IS planning on his own solo tour!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 0:32:29 GMT -5
But, tigerlily, you are completely dismissing the fact that Adam has already filled good sized venues despite low CD sales. You say it is because they are one offs and that makes a difference. I agree that one offs might sell differently than a tour but I think one offs would be harder to sell. The one offs had very short time spans for ticket sales. They just popped up. I couldn't even go to FS and I live ONLY 2 hrs away due to the short notice. A tour builds on word of mouth. And word of mouth for Adam Lambert is that he is fantastic live. A concert in Iowa isn't going to affect if someone goes to a concert in FL so I have no idea how your one off statement even applies to a venue size discussion :-/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 0:41:10 GMT -5
I agree mys*&@^#r, if anything the one offs show that a tour will be very successful and for Ra's sake who would want to follow ADAM! Also the SA sales show that markets outside of the US can and are filling 19K seating stadiums and it is a one/two off! Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition seldom holds a truth.
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Post by tigerlily on Oct 9, 2012 1:01:23 GMT -5
maddie; INTERNATIONALLY! But, tigerlily, you are completely dismissing the fact that Adam has already filled good sized venues despite low CD sales. You say it is because they are one offs and that makes a difference. I agree that one offs might sell differently than a tour but I think one offs would be harder to sell. The one offs had very short time spans for ticket sales. They just popped up. I couldn't even go to FS and I live ONLY 2 hrs away due to the short notice. A tour builds on word of mouth. And word of mouth for Adam Lambert is that he is fantastic live. A concert in Iowa isn't going to affect if someone goes to a concert in FL so I have no idea how your one off statement even applies to a venue size discussion :-/ One-off concerts once a month (shortly after the album dropped) are going to be different than 50 or so concert stops over three months a full year after the album dropped. (especially with no hits) If there had even been ONE single that did as well as WWFM, we would be looking at an entirely different game plan for the present, this summer and the next era. Also, not talking about another mixed bag "schedule them as you see how it's going" 800-4,000* venue type tour- like the GNT. As I said earlier, Adam could still do a tour like that and still probably be very successful. I was referring to a summer tour that consistently sold close to capacity, 3 to 4 shows a week at venues that held between 4,000-7,000 or even more. Adam will need to be in a co-headling situation to move up to these types of venues for a summer long tour in the US. This type of tour would expose him to more people and many music lovers that have never heard him sing or seen him perform! Do we think Adam is the greatest singer and performer of all time or not? Why wouldn't we want him to be exposed to new people in a live setting across the country, several times a week? *ETA: sorry, didn't mean to put 2,000!
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Post by SusieFierce on Oct 9, 2012 1:06:36 GMT -5
But, tigerlily, you are completely dismissing the fact that Adam has already filled good sized venues despite low CD sales. You say it is because they are one offs and that makes a difference. I agree that one offs might sell differently than a tour but I think one offs would be harder to sell. The one offs had very short time spans for ticket sales. They just popped up. I couldn't even go to FS and I live ONLY 2 hrs away due to the short notice. A tour builds on word of mouth. And word of mouth for Adam Lambert is that he is fantastic live. A concert in Iowa isn't going to affect if someone goes to a concert in FL so I have no idea how your one off statement even applies to a venue size discussion :-/ Exactly. And by the logic that only people with high CD sales will play larger venues, well, that limits concert draws to about 15 acts (minus one since Adele is having a baby any minute). There are hella lot of venues in this world that need to be filled. We all know CD sales are off a cliff and the way to compensate is with touring. So there is an inherent discrepancy in the logic that CD sales drive all live performance. They sold out almost all of GNT with almost NO marketing. Perhaps they'll need to market a little more (meaning he standard they do for 98% of booked artists) but he will be a draw. He already is no matter how much some people would love to dismiss the fact that the audiences were there and they have just released more tickets in S. Africa today. ETA: GNT was 800-2000-capacity tour? Which venues, other than a few in Europe had a 800 capacity? Any 1,500-2,000s would have had the averages pulled way up with two PacAmps, a Tampa Bay stadium and a Balloon Fest - all of which sold extremely well. |
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Post by lynne on Oct 9, 2012 1:06:44 GMT -5
Well, late to the thread, but whenever possible, wherever Adam plays, whatever venue, he will be awesome, and judging from my past experiences, I will have purchased at least two tickets trying to get good seats, lol. I can't wait to see him live again.
Oh, and radio sucks.
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Post by Misha on Oct 9, 2012 1:24:32 GMT -5
I'm reluctant to even bring this up, especially since I don't care for most of Bruno Mars' music, but Adam's recent interview comments about Bruno and tweets to him remind me of the way Adam was courting him last year for one of his songs. Made me wonder if Adam is just being his naturally complimentary self or also angling to do a few tour dates together--in addition to his own solo tour--since Bruno has a new CD coming out at the end of the year and will probably be touring in the spring, too. I have doubts that Bruno would go for it, though.
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