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Post by DancyGeorgia on Oct 5, 2013 21:51:35 GMT -5
OT, but Annie Lennox tweeted a strong statement today, inspired, I'm guessing, at least in part by Miley Cyrus's recent performances. She makes many good points: Annie Lennox @annielennox 2h I have to say that I'm disturbed and dismayed by the recent spate of overtly sexualised performances and videos.... fb.me/Ltrjg0GD Here's her entire post on Facebook: "I have to say that I'm disturbed and dismayed by the recent spate of overtly sexualised performances and videos. You know the ones I'm talking about. It seems obvious that certain record companies are peddling highly styled pornography with musical accompaniment. As if the tidal wave of sexualised imagery wasn't already bombarding impressionable young girls enough..I believe in freedom of speech and expression, but the market forces don't give a toss about the notion of boundaries. As long as there's booty to make money out of, it will be bought and sold. It's depressing to see how these performers are so eager to push this new level of low.Their assumption seems to be that misogyny- utilised and displayed through oneself is totally fine, as long as you are the one creating it. As if it's all justified by how many millions of dollars and U tube hits you get from behaving like pimp and prostitute at the same time. It's a glorified and monetized form of self harm." She is a wise woman. (Of course, I'm a long-time fan of hers, so I might be a bit biased.  ) Well said, Annie. But could the same thing have been said about Madonna? She was shockingly sexual and probably started the trend. Maybe? ETA: I'm late to the party and see Madonna has been brought up by others. Not only Madonna, but the same can be said for a good number of Adam's performances. Granted he was fully clothed, but there was LOTS of sexual imagery in the VMA performance, the encore to the Amsterdam GNT concert (posted in yesterday's thread), etc, etc, etc. And how many of us salivate over all of Adam's sexual imagery performances and want MORE of it and with less clothes!!!! (Too bad we were not at any of the European Hair gigs where Adam appeared naked when he was what, about Miley's age.) I can't help but think that there is a reverse double standard going on with the flack that Miley is getting. |
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Post by Q3 on Oct 5, 2013 21:57:13 GMT -5
Sex and Music have gone together forever. But there is something very different about what Miley is doing. Madonna, Adam, Robert Plant, Jim Morrison, many many performers before them, integrated sexual expression with their performance. Miley just took off her clothes and sticks out her tongue and licks things. There is no context for this except to be an exhibitionist and attract attention. Makes me sad, because it works.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 21:58:49 GMT -5
Better not to let this idea into his head .. I do not want to see him, this unique .. TATTOOJO @tattoojo I want Adam to do a Batstache pic.twitter.com/6JYT2cJXq2  Maybe for Halloween! not even for Halloween, I do not mind facial hair, but this one..I do not think so..  not funny enough.. |
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Post by Holst on Oct 5, 2013 22:11:28 GMT -5
Honestly I don't think Freddie Mercury was a good singer I don't like his voice so when they say "he is no Freddie Mercury" I see it as a compliment. I was lucky enough to see Queen live in the 70's. I recommend you check out any Freddie performance from the 70's -- there are some old fan videos that were shot on 16mm. By 1981 he was having severe vocal issues -- and most of the "famous" videos are from after 1980. Freddie from 1981: And, no people are not exaggerating when they say he was great. Plus he wrote a song or two! I imagine it is a matter of personal taste. There are at least a few Atoppers who have said they prefer Adam over Freddie singing Queen songs. I did take your suggestion to watch some '70s songs, however. Still prefer Adam in all ways.  |
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Post by animated on Oct 5, 2013 22:25:10 GMT -5
Sex and Music have gone together forever. But there is something very different about what Miley is doing. Madonna, Adam, Robert Plant, Jim Morrison, many many performers before them, integrated sexual expression with their performance. Miley just took off her clothes and sticks out her tongue and licks things. There is no context for this except to be an exhibitionist and attract attention. Makes me sad, because it works. Sinead O'Connor , Annie Lennox - I think their opinion has merit, but I would be curious to know what Madonna has to say about Miley's MV. Miley succeeded in being controversial to be noticed . Same way Madonna did . They sold their music. When Adam did at AMA's , controversial yes. But did not help sell his music. ( I am not saying he did it on purpose) So did they sell their music ( Miley and Madonna) because they called attention to it via controversy ? Or is what they are selling - their music - just that good that controversy simply pushed sales up and multiplied the numbers ? By the way - I finally figured how to vote. Dummy me. |
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Post by Craazyforadam on Oct 5, 2013 22:28:09 GMT -5
There is no context for this except to be an exhibitionist and attract attention. Makes me sad, because it works. Yup! But it only works for a short while. And hopefully that fact keeps a few others away from doing the same. If Miley continues like she does now, in a year or two, that wrecking ball will come for her and she ends up lost in the world, like so many others. Imo, that was really what Sinead was trying to tell her in the first letter and, of course, Miley is on such a high (because it is working and maybe in other ways too, who knows), that she does not even get that. While I do agree that it was a trend over the last few months to do these over-sexualized performances, I also want to say though, that it was only one trend among many. There are other trends (good and bad) in today's music that have nothing to do with this: i.e. folk and country music in pop i.e. EDM i.e. real singers: Adele and others i.e. funk music in pop (get lucky, etc) and so on.... I am overall very happy that pop music has become as wide a field as it has over the last year. It is a completely different playing field than it was 3-4 years ago and that is amazing. And while I love Katy Perry, I do think she is a bit opportunistic right now, wanting to distance herself from Miley, Gaga or Rihanna. Katy was nude and very playful in California girls and she used her breasts quite effectively to reach the top in the first place. It just never seemed quite so primitive and tasteless, as it seems to be with Miley and I think that is what people are reacting to and why she is so much in the center of her own sh*t storm right now. It's not art and it's not skillful, so it really does not have any point outside of $$$. |
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Post by Holst on Oct 5, 2013 22:32:25 GMT -5
Sex and Music have gone together forever. But there is something very different about what Miley is doing. Madonna, Adam, Robert Plant, Jim Morrison, many many performers before them, integrated sexual expression with their performance. Miley just took off her clothes and sticks out her tongue and licks things. There is no context for this except to be an exhibitionist and attract attention. Makes me sad, because it works. For me there is not much context for many of the highly sexualized performances/videos. Gaga seems to be trying to say something. I often can't tell what it is. But mostly it seems like she just wants to wear almost nothing. I have to wonder if Rhianna would be popular at all without her looks. Just listen to (and I mean listen, not watch) her AMA performance on Adam's year. It's really awful singing. I just get frustrated when men can look like ogres but women, mostly, have to look great. |
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Post by Holst on Oct 5, 2013 22:36:14 GMT -5
Animated, you've lost your avi. So sad. :-/
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Post by Holst on Oct 5, 2013 22:40:08 GMT -5
It's time for me to really spam to get us to 10 pages, but I'll stay on topic. YIKES!!!!!!!! Frankengump--extra large! |
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Post by Craazyforadam on Oct 5, 2013 22:42:10 GMT -5
Sex and Music have gone together forever. But there is something very different about what Miley is doing. Madonna, Adam, Robert Plant, Jim Morrison, many many performers before them, integrated sexual expression with their performance. Miley just took off her clothes and sticks out her tongue and licks things. There is no context for this except to be an exhibitionist and attract attention. Makes me sad, because it works. Miley succeeded in being controversial to be noticed . Same way Madonna did . They sold their music. When Adam did at AMA's , controversial yes. But did not help sell his music. ( I am not saying he did it on purpose) If the old adage is true that men buy pop music with their d*ick, women with their heart and neither with their ears, then that tells you right there, why it is working for Miley to be controversial, but not for Adam. Miley does not care whether the generation of Bette Middler is unhappy, not her market anyhow. Young men are not complaining that she is putting it out there, and they are buying it. Adam's controversies did not give straight guys any wet dreams, so there was no market there, and some of the female market, ran for the hills, so they were not buying en masse coming from there either. And if neither side buys music with their ears, well then where is that Adam market supposed to come from? It is not controversy alone that is making or not making a market, it is controversy and how it echo's back. I do believe though, that people will and already are getting used to Adam as a permanent fixture in their pop culture world and their reactions are less over-hyped now. Over time, Adam is going to win that one, but short term, he did not have a chance, with or without Amas. |
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