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Post by seoulmate on Nov 17, 2013 18:30:34 GMT -5
I'm glad to have seen the Sam Bailey vids, but while I think she's great for a talent show and her voice is powerful, but has a sameness about it--like she is coloring inside the lines if that makes any sense. Also, our dear friend Mayumi is going to Miami to see/hear Adam, and her family and friends live near Manila, so they were not directly affected by the Typhoon. Oh! Thank you for the info about Mayumi!! I was fretting a bit, wondering if any of her Filipino family had been affected by the typhoon. |
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Post by crazyoldgal on Nov 17, 2013 18:31:59 GMT -5
I too wonder why RCA pushed BTIKM when the feedback for this track was "NO" Why didn't they make a quick change when they knew the song was not connecting???????
Also will his age, to be 32 (consider to be old from tweenies) be a factor in trying to break in?
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Post by melliemom on Nov 17, 2013 18:34:03 GMT -5
Adam bust his butt running from radio station to radio station, but I don't think the financial support from the label was there. Whatever these backroom dealings are called, payola, jingle balls, banner sales, kma-funding...I don't think that Adam got them for Trespassing. I do believe that he did get support for WWFM though, and that is why it slowly crawled its way forward, even though Adam at the time still was dealing with ama image issues. But it did move forward, ever so slowly. And IIHY got some too. I don't believe that such money was ever spent on any of the TSP singles, maybe a bit on NCOE, but certainly not on BTIKM. Also, RCA did a radio survey in UK and US, but while the US results were never released, the UK was pretty vocal and uni-vocal at the time. RCA decided to ignore the results of the survey. Instead, they went with singles that had received the most negative response. We had multiple reports from the UK that indicated that they did not understand the RCA single choices at all. Adam was dead for the UK market, once the singles were selected. Not exactly surprising, even to me as a sideline observer of pop culture. Pretty sure it was also clear to RCA that they were not popular. Hence my question: Why did they choose them? The argument that they wanted continuation from MW and WWFM just does not add up. Both MW and WWFM were hugely popular, BTIKM was not, and NCOE was neither. That is not a continuation. It is interesting, what Q3 is observing, that 'out there' Adam does not win with large crowds, but does win very solidly with those few that do get it. Now, 5 years later, there are young folks who were too young for Adam, when he was on idol (comments like: I was scared of him), who are now old enough to appreciate him. Once an Adam fan, always an Adam fan though. He does not loose a lot of fans that march on to the next best thing. So, Adam's target age group is 18 +, with a few younger exceptions, nothing all that surprising about that. His fan base is solid and now finally again growing. Secondly, 'out-there' Adam is not going to get the male population, with very few exceptions. It just is a reality that males tend to be more conservative in their music choices in general, and they are also just a bit more sensitive to the whole OTT element, the cheese factor, the sleaze factor, in their reaction. The music industry and the decision makers are male. Now, once Adam has won, is mainstream, is established, watch them all follow in line. Happened that way with Elvis, with MJ, with Bowie, with Queen, etc. But that is about 10 years away for him, and meanwhile, we who are already on board, need to get him there. He will win in the end. Quoting Cassie's signature: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Playing the duality theme generally works for Adam, but it only works on TV. On radio, that contrast just gets lost, especially on top40, when you try to stay fast paced, dance and rhythm oriented, which contradicts that intent. RCA could have chosen a far more TV oriented promotion, and they would not have had to spend 5 million dollars on it. But I don't believe they even spent one million and they ran with the wrong songs. And that was unexpected, and to me, not understandable for an artist, who they said was still in development. I think they never tried to get Adam. And they never had a plan. IMHO,ADAM is made for TV,You have to not only hear him you have to see him to believe him. He is a showman.. and TV is the next best thing to seeing him LIVE. TV also reaches around the country and often around the world. To me the best way to sell his music is to first sell himself,all of him on the small/large screen in our homes. |
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Post by suzie12 on Nov 17, 2013 18:46:21 GMT -5
Thanks for bringing that radio interview over. I may have seen it before but Adam's answers have more meaning now that we know what went down with TP (at least a bit more). I still have annoyed/hard feelings about MP and his role in that 'other' album, that and the related lawsuit seemed to delay the T#, that and RCA thinking any Bruno song would be a hit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 19:04:08 GMT -5
Crazyforadam, you say Adam has a solid fanbase, but where were they when it came to buying Trespassing? I think his fans bought it the first week, but then sales took a nosedive.
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Post by shimoli710 on Nov 17, 2013 19:06:23 GMT -5
That last sentence in your analysis just sits there for me. Why on earth didn't they go balls to wall with promotion? Seems they could have been very successful with Trespassing had they really promoted it!! It would have cost an INCREMENTAL $2 million to $5 million to go "balls to the wall" beyond what they had invested and it was not likely to generate sales to pay that off. That would have made Trespassing an $5 million to $8 million investment. It would have had to have sold over 1 million units to break even. If you gave me $5 million, I do not know how to sell 1,800,000 copies of Trespassing (album) which is the rough breakeven point and I do not think it is possible. >> RCA did spend some money (I think about $1 million) on promotion with little return and they did test the songs as singles but online and using a radio callout. I have been told the results were not good. But this kind of research (one of the things I used to do) is often ignored. While it was a business decision -- I think the mistake was made back in 2011 when the tried to "win back" Adam's mythical fans who wanted the Idol Mad World Adam -- and led with BTIKM. Glee proves to me that there are a lot of non-fans who love the Starchild Adam -- hence MTN is headed to 2 million views -- but it is not going viral. This is one case were "creative differences" really are the root of the entire problem. It goes back to the beginning. Adam wanted to do FYE (single), Trespassing (single), Cuckoo, Broken English, PTL and so on - the Adam fans love, slightly edgy fun Adam. RCA wanted him to repeat Mad World, WWFM thus BTIKM, NCOE - safe Adam, the nice, nonthreatening gay guy. Thus, we have two songs crammed onto Trespassing by the label, we have a lame lead single, and we have a label team afraid to promote an artist they way he and his fans want him to be. Perhaps the duality of Adam's Glee character is about more than just fun TV. I think it represents the battle he has been dealing with his whole life. I am happy now to start to see some merging of the Two Adams into a fashionable, sophisticated man who can be both serious/sensitive and give use an audio dance party with the "costume change".Very well said and I agree with everythig you've posted, especially with the last paragraph! |
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Post by melliemom on Nov 17, 2013 19:07:14 GMT -5
Crazyforadam, you say Adam has a solid fanbase, but where were they when it came to buying Trespassing? I think his fans bought it the first week, but then sales took a nosedive. IMHO, not CFA, but I think Adam does have a solid fan base, He just doesn't have enough fans to keep the momentum going.. Hopefully that will change. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 19:09:37 GMT -5
I also agree that Adam was made for TV, whether scripted or not. Even mj from the pink place has made some very positive comments about Adam when he's appeared on TV (VH1 Divas and Glee). He is also great on talk shows--he is articulate, smart, quick, and oh so entertaining. Why haven't his people discovered this?
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Post by 3ku1 on Nov 17, 2013 19:09:46 GMT -5
The major problem with the promo rollout for Trespassing was the lack of quality promo, other then Ellen and Leno their wasent any real promo for Trespassing. Unless your the usual suspect like Katy Perry when it comes to radio, your breaking down the wall. So the song either needs to be very different and fresh and break down the radio wall. Right now Adams name is not strong enough alone for any of his songs to gain radio play, even having his name associated with BM wasent enough. Radio need a reason to play you, Katy Perry for example has gotten very luckey she has at least 7 hit radio singles, first female artist to do so, so her continuity and momentum is ammense, her name alone gets a thousand adds.
She could release the phone book at this stage of her career, and it would become a hit she is VERY luckey. But this is not the case for everyone, if it comes down to politics, lack of vision, lack of creativity, lack of fanbase (we know this is not the problem, he has 2 million followers on twitter where were they when the album came out?). Adam is not the kinda artist like Taylor Swift who is going to sell millions in a week, hence why he got 76 k in first week sales, the fact he was out the whole year with no music, considering how thickle the industry is and society as a whole, and still debuted #1 on the BB Hot 200 Chart, regardless of no competition that week, is an amazing acheivement IMO.
Adam to me has always been a potential multi selling arena artist, Adam does actually have a lot of younger fans, and the fact he looks more 20 then 30 is a huge plus in his favor, image is the biggest part of music selling these days. Techniquelly artists like say Demi Lovato are better singers then KP or Gaga, but the labels put more money into these artists then other singers clearly. I mean If KP's face was on the cover of Trespassing, it prob would of sold alot better haha.
Also seeing their arent alot of Adam Lamberts in the music industry (well none other then Adam), he can be very polarizaing to some, he is different and unique and some people can handle that some cannot. Artists like JB, Timberlake e.t.c. are more safe but they can get predictable. Artists like Adam are more unique and boundary pushing, I heard some where that Adam cannot rely on shock value like Miley does, not sure I agree with that Adam is known for his shock.
But it also means Adam needs unique songs, that are different to whats on radio. Because he shouldent be trying to become apart of Top 40, he should be trying to set his own mark on music, and be the leader of the pack. Right now I think he is finding the balance between his artistic integrity and whats commercial, once he gets a hit or two then he can expereiment more. As for Trespassing it had the potential to be a huge hit, but having no music in almost a year and a half, and very bad promo rollout, and pratically no one really knowing who Adam is forgetting about him, like I said society is very thickle we react to what is in front of us, very in and out.
That is why artists these day with the age of streaming i.e. Spotify release more singles more then they do albums these days, albums are really an artistic thing these days then a commerical purpose. The best songs were never released like Cuckoo or Shady, even Runnin which was a BT. But he needs to find a label who supports his vision and gets him, RCA have really put his career back, his management have done more for him in 3 months then RCA have ever done, his fans have done more TBH. I think with A3 with the promo rollout, performances on the Superbowl or The Voice, would go along way. He could be as big as Gaga or JB but he needs to expand his fanbase.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 19:10:37 GMT -5
My favorite moment from 2013 is without a doubt the Glee performance of "'Marry the Night" coupled with the little diner scene because together they won Adam big praise, excitement, and attention from lots of young Glee viewers.
If Adam were JUST a voice that comes along once in a generation, that would be one thing to market, but he is also that "charisma tornado," which I think mostly means really sexy. His Idol run, his concert performances, his Glee appearance all capitalize on that. I don't know, maybe the single selections (which I still love) didn't. I don't know.
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