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Post by melliemom on Dec 3, 2013 21:13:06 GMT -5
Well I see your point,but Adam can't be their babysitter.. Adam has played all over the world with bands that have never heard Adam sing before and they were great.IMHO It's time to try for the best. Mellie, not sure what you are saying here. I don't remember Adam playing with other bands except in that London club a few years ago for some short appearance. Otherwise the performances I can think of would have used an accompaniment track with some musicians playing air instruments. Is that what you are talking about? I'm talking about China and special appearances like for benefit concerts.. cyndi lauper comes to mind..wherever other bands were used for special guest appearances and certainly re-visits to American idol.. there is Queen, Nile,Shady group,Glee,they all show Adam at his best. The people Adam employed after Idol were really good. I put a video out from AOL Sessions. IMHO, Adam has had quite a few really fine musicians play with him.. they come and go because of different gigs. I find the current musicians to not measure up to some that Adam has had in the past.Maybe the better ones always have gigs ,so Adam has to depend on the players who have more available time. If that's the case that says something right off the bat. :  I don't believe that one has to be a musician to critique them,after all I'm a consumer and Adam is selling his music.I'm entitled to like or love what I listen to and to say oh no that doesn't work ,when in my opinion ,someone lacks passion,clarity or professionalism. I am a fan who goes to concerts,who buys music and who has opinions.. IMHO Adam is now in the big leagues with lots of competition...He needs musicians who help to embellish his incredible talent .He shouldn't have to carry his musicians,they should be enhancing his concerts. |
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Post by Q3 on Dec 3, 2013 21:15:04 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, how many professional musicians are members here? I know we have a few. Would love to hear a Tommy critique from someone who is a professional guitarist. I think he sounds fine so would love specifics about what his problem is. ETA: pretty sure the guitar wranglers do the guitar tuning, no? Yes, he did. I talked to him after the show and he did not know why it was out of tune. He was more puzzled why they did not stop to give Tommy time to tune his guitar. |
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Post by theosgma on Dec 3, 2013 21:25:01 GMT -5
I must have missed something about the fan from Italy. Did she win the meet and greet? The pics are adorable. It was the Make A Wish foundation & that was her wish. So they flew her in from Italy, she had lunch eith Adam, and went to the concert. I am guessing that "contest" is just a bad translation. BTW, this is not the first Make A Wish child Adam has done OMG This is so touching. I didn't realize this whole thing was facilitated by Make A Wish Foundation. What an amazing gift to give someone. How lovely of Adam to do this for her. |
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 3, 2013 21:30:07 GMT -5
I have been to three of Adam's concerts and one American Idol concert with Adam.. so four in all IMHO Adam needs new band members.. When I watch singers like Bruno Mars ,I am so impressed with his musicians .. they are soo part of the great performances.. They add ,don't detract. To me Adam's band makes Adam work =very hard to compensate for their lack of grit. I have felt like this for forever.. Yes Queen is the best but not the only good musicians out there.. I also would also love some different music from Adam in his concerts.. Whether It's Adam on Glee ,Adam with Avicii or Adam with Queen. the performances soar... The musicians just add technicolor to his great voice.. Time for a Change.. He's too good not to have the best back him. As usual, late to the discussion but I voiced my discontent yesterday about the band and reading your comments, I agree wholeheartedly and I'll disgress Nica575....a band being tight make a hugh difference. SHAME on them - practice - they are paid to perform. When I see a show in NY, I expect top notch instrumentation backing the singers. Even Jersey Boys, how long has it been on Broadway, I expect the best every show even though they must be extremely tired of the same old, same old. The band let Adam down, period. Most of the time, I focus on Adam but there are times when the members have a 'solo' and one takes note, their skills shld add to the number just not be a filler. QUEEN - when Adam sang WWtLF, as he ends his verse, Brain engages his guitar, I am blown away, It sends this song to heaven, and I believe Adam kicks it up a notch if that is possible. Yellowcard, and Brian (?) having a brain freeze and now Rick, We've seen different pianist, Zac , isa, the blond, the black haired girl, Again Having a brain freeze on names, and now Brian. I would love to see Roger Taylor's son, Rufus, on guitar. How rad would that be. He is a skilled drummer and has young cool vibe which would add to Adam's look. Ashley replaced Tommy. So there has been changes and even a changes w/ the dancers. Q3 I wholeheartedly agree "T" is not strong enough on lead guitar and it really was apparent in Miami. I adore "T" but this is a business and a change is needed. Yes Adam values loyalty but as GLitter stated above, a voice like Adam's deserves a band that plays on his level. OK off that I ADORE his funky hard hitting dance at the beginning of Kick In. gets me everytime. It is not enough for each individual band member to practice on their own. The entire band, including Adam, must practice together often enough to be a tight band. But Rick lives in Atlanta, GA while everyone else lives in Los Angeles, CA. That means that Adam must fly Rick out to Atlanta, rent a studio space, hire and pay all the band members, instrument techs, and sound engineers for one or more days. Before the IHR concert, Adam & Queen practiced together, all of them, for 4 or 5 days for a 1/2 hour concert. I don't think Adam's band even had any full band + Adam practices within a reasonable time before the Miami concert. Adam seems to be using long sound checks before these one off concerts as additional, or maybe even primary, practices for fine tuning the tightness of the band + Adam. But for reasons beyond Adam's or the band's control, the sound check in Miami either didn't happen at all or was very short. So not enough full band + Adam practice and they are basically winging it. This is not the band's fault. Scheduling full band + Adam practices would be Adam's responsibility! And with no sufficient sound check, Adam was probably not the only one who could not hear himself relative to the others. The band members also need to hear each other and Adam sufficiently to all stay together in a tight performance. Bottom line, IMHO it is totally unfair to blame the problems in Miami primarily on the band!!! Also, all of the Queen songs were written by band members for a band + singer. Instrumentals are almost always as important or even more important than the vocals in rock music. Instrumentals are given lots of opportunities to shine just as much as the vocals. Adam's pop music was written for a vocal + electronic imitations of instruments. Showcasing instrumental skills are barely considered in pop music. This makes a big difference in how the band shines. |
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Post by Q3 on Dec 3, 2013 21:30:51 GMT -5
Well, all I've got to say is that the only time I ever see bitching about the quality of Adam's band it is coming from hardcore fans. I have yet to ever run across comments from non-fans about the quality of the band. I'd be willing to bet that if Adam hired a "strong lead guitar player" we'd hear lots of bitching about the guitar player trying to upstage Adam. I remember hearing that quite a lot when MP was playing. I have not been someone who was very critical of Tommy or the band because it is not that important to me. But the lead guitar was a noticeable issue in Miami -- not just a petty annoyance. Generally, I think the casual fans just ignore the band because they are not invested enough to care. And I think there is a lot of difference between being critical of a professional performance and bitching. ** I would love to see the comments people who were at the Fontainebleau concert that compliment the lead guitarist or the drummer. Hard to imagine that anyone who was there was positively impressed by either. The were better in Pittsburgh for Pittsburgh Pride, and much better in Delmar. ** I am chalking this up to an off concert for the band, Adam doing unexpected things, and being in Miami Beach/South Beach. ** In any case, it is my only negative from this concert and was not that big of a deal to me. |
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Post by betty on Dec 3, 2013 21:35:26 GMT -5
Thank you for your interesting and honest recap, Q3! ![]()
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BTW, did you all notice that he changed the lyrics in the first verse of "Shout" from the original "...those one track minds, that took you for a working boy, kiss them goodbye, you shouldn't have to jump for joy!" to "... kiss them goodbye, you really got to jump for joy!" (3.20 - 3.40) Another (FU  ) message to RCA, I guess!?  |
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 3, 2013 21:35:36 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, how many professional musicians are members here? I know we have a few. Would love to hear a Tommy critique from someone who is a professional guitarist. I think he sounds fine so would love specifics about what his problem is. ETA: pretty sure the guitar wranglers do the guitar tuning, no? Yes, he did. I talked to him after the show and he did not know why it was out of tune. He was more puzzled why they did not stop to give Tommy time to tune his guitar. Here's a very technical article that might help answer that question: www.endino.com/archive/tuningnightmares.htmlPlus, the change in climate, higher humidity & heat in Miami, might have something to do with it. |
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Post by nica575 on Dec 3, 2013 21:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by nica575 on Dec 3, 2013 21:39:07 GMT -5
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 3, 2013 21:41:35 GMT -5
Mellie, not sure what you are saying here. I don't remember Adam playing with other bands except in that London club a few years ago for some short appearance. Otherwise the performances I can think of would have used an accompaniment track with some musicians playing air instruments. Is that what you are talking about? I'm talking about China and special appearances like for benefit concerts.. cyndi lauper comes to mind..wherever other bands were used for special guest appearances and certainly re-visits to American idol.. there is Queen, Nile,Shady group,Glee,Idol,they all show Adam at his best. The people Adam employed after Idol were really good. I put a video out from AOL Sessions. IMHO, Adam has had quite a few really fine musicians play with him.. they come and go because of different gigs. I find the current musicians to not measure up to some that Adam has had in the past.Maybe the better ones always have gigs ,so Adam has to depend on the players who have more available time. If that's the case that says something right off the bat. : I don't believe that one has to be a musician to critique them,after all I'm a consumer and Adam is selling his music.I'm entitled to like or love what I listen to and to say oh no that doesn't work ,when in my opinion ,someone lacks passion,clarity or professionalism. I am a fan who goes to concerts,who buys music and who has opinions.. IMHO Adam is now in the big leagues with lots of competition...He needs musicians who help to embellish his incredible talent .He shouldn't have to carry his musicians,they should be enhancing his concerts. In some of these special appearances you are citing, e.g. the China ones, the other bands were "air bands", i.e., they were doing the equivalent of lip-syncing to the backing tape. |
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) message to RCA, I guess!? 
