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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 9:53:37 GMT -5
Yes, all of the sales during Idol were blocked from Soundscan. So many Idol season tracks would be on there that are not. "Mad World", "Heartless", about 11 songs by David Cook....... ***** What I have been trying to figure out is if when "Playlist: BOAL" is released on iTunes, will the tracks be for sale? If so, there is a shot "Mad World" could chart again. Also, let me explain what the Hot 100 chart is, for those who might not know. It is the sales of one week for a single. Just one week, its biggest peak! That is the chart this article is using. If we just look at the Top 10, one would think that "Behind These Hazel Eyes" was a bigger hit than "Home." But the truth is NOT even close. As of May 2013, Home has sold over 4 million. (Ya, I know ridiculous. But it has!) Behind These Angel Eyes, as of the same date, has sold 1.5 million. As a matter of fact, WWFM, sitting at #22 has sold more than Behind These Angel Eyes! I really think the Hot 100 is a silly little chart. But unfortunately it is used for Rankings & PR for so many things! The Billboard Hot 100 isn't just a sales chart. It is also a chart for radio play so the peak position is a combination of radio play (spins) + sales for that particular week which is how and why Behind These Hazel Eyes charts higher than Home (which has sold more). Kelly Clarkson was the most played artist on radio, across all formats in 2005/2006. The Billboard Hot 100 now also includes online streaming to factor in sites like Spodify, youtube and other media sites that allow people to listen to/consume music without actually buying or hearing on traditional radio outlets. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 9:55:11 GMT -5
This is so riddled with errors, IMO. Adam is in the 150K+ to start and that is probably way too low. And Daughtry might have been making 200-300 right after his first album and huge singles, but now? No way! I would say Demi Lovato is much higher because she's had a string of recent hits, plus XF judge, plus other TV. ETA: Or what Q3 just said while I was typing!  Here is Adam info from a different agency - CTI: www.celebritytalent.net/sampletalent/1207/adam-lambert/DETAILS Please Note: Final Fee will depend on several factors, the following prices are ONLY average fees. Minimum Fee US Dates $150,000 - $300,000 + Minimum Fee INTL. Dates $300,000 - $600,000 + I also remember seeing his international fees listed at 450K - 750K , but I can;t remember where... This seems more like it! |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 10:03:02 GMT -5
Just a PS to MyS*&@^#r50's comment -- Hot 100 is 50% radio airplay and the rest sales until recently when they adding a bit of social media in. So if radio and sales peak in the same week, a song will have a higher peak, than if they are not synchronized. "Home" might be the biggest hit from Idol but the radio and sales are not synchronized. Fred Bronson could have used the yearend charts for sales and radio airplay and built a better list. Kelly's songs would have still been at the top of the list, even using year end lists because Kelly's SUBG was #4 and BTHE was #10 for the year end chart of 2005 whereas Home was #49 on the year end chart of 2012 and #46 in 2013. |
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Post by Jablea on May 23, 2014 10:17:11 GMT -5
I think we have a new fan...  He's from Guatemala, Gaga fan. (Glambert portion paraphrased.) Fernando S. @santizofernando · 22. toukokuuta (May 22) I've been listening to @adamlambert the whole night and I had like five orgasms per song. Glambert: We call 'em Adamgasms
I want more adamgasms. It feels soooooo good! I'm just discovering this sexy musical world. My ears were virgin 'till I listened to @adamlambert. It was like heaven. Another glambert offering help.
Help? Of course I need!! Adam is too much to handle by myself. Glambert sending performance links (several recent songs with wailing).
OMG!!!!!!! OuO I'll let you know everything when I'm done with all my homework. 7-7 And thank you so much! OuO You showed me how heaven sounds.Cute. The exposure to new peeps is so important and why collaborations are great. Different topic - Don't know if he was linked thru LMD but there is a lot of exposure for Adam on that video. Maybe the offended glamberts (yes one said that) will realize that sometimes listening to a song without preconceptions (it's great who was that singing?) works better than giving someone excuses (oh it's that gay idol loser - I knew that song stank before I even listened) |
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Post by Q3 on May 23, 2014 11:43:56 GMT -5
Just a PS to MyS*&@^#r50's comment -- Hot 100 is 50% radio airplay and the rest sales until recently when they adding a bit of social media in. So if radio and sales peak in the same week, a song will have a higher peak, than if they are not synchronized. "Home" might be the biggest hit from Idol but the radio and sales are not synchronized. Fred Bronson could have used the yearend charts for sales and radio airplay and built a better list. Kelly's songs would have still been at the top of the list, even using year end lists because Kelly's SUBG was #4 and BTHE was #10 for the year end chart of 2005 whereas Home was #49 on the year end chart of 2012 and #46 in 2013. I wrote a really poorly written note. I am referring the Phillips Phillips "Home" (2012), not Daughty's "Home" (2005). And my comment about yearend charts was general not specific to "Home". >> "Home" was released in May 2012, and had 3 peaks across 2 years. And is still racking up sales and airplay. Not sure how to capture the size of this hit without using total airplay audience and total sales. But it is BIG. Certainly Kelly is the #1 artist from Idol by most measures. But "Home" is a fluke. JMHO "Home" should be ranked higher than the #6 -- good argument for #2 or #3 -- and I would put it #1 because of the TV usage. #5 is "Breakaway" - Kelly Clarkson Hot 100 Peak: No. 6 (2004) Certified GOLD. "Home" is certified 4xP and still selling -- I think it may actually be 5xP -- it will certainly get there. Kelly's top selling US single is "Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)" 4xP #2 is MKIA at 3xP. SUBG and BTHE are "only" 1P. I think we can agree that this list Fred Bronson put together is useless since it is based solely on peak position with no consideration of duration. ** Fred does not reveal his methodology -- but he clearly used chart rank -- and rank data is not absolute. Also with the shift is sales from albums to tracks fueled by digital conversion -- #1 in 2004 is almost always a lot less sales than #1 in 2013. Finally, BBoard changed the Hot 100 to include social media during this period. Fred "To celebrate the series' 500th show and the finale of season 13, here are the top 100 songs by Idols based on chart performance on the Hot 100, with the stories behind the songs, many of them being told for the first time." All we know is he used Hot 100 rank. Not a good statistical method. |
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Post by nannygoat on May 23, 2014 11:55:02 GMT -5
Farzaneh @farzanehal 21h #fanart #Drawingpencil.hey Dear @adamlambert. My New Drawing 4 U. Hope U like it.Love u ❤????❤????❤????❤ #PersianGlamberts pic.twitter.com/Qzt8RgI9jx????❤????❤  Wow! You are a truly talented artist!!! So realistic! |
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Post by nannygoat on May 23, 2014 12:10:08 GMT -5
I think we have a new fan... He's from Guatemala, Gaga fan. (Glambert portion paraphrased.) Fernando S. @santizofernando · 22. toukokuuta (May 22) I've been listening to @adamlambert the whole night and I had like five orgasms per song. Glambert: We call 'em Adamgasms
I want more adamgasms. It feels soooooo good! I'm just discovering this sexy musical world. My ears were virgin 'till I listened to @adamlambert. It was like heaven. Another glambert offering help.
Help? Of course I need!! Adam is too much to handle by myself. Glambert sending performance links (several recent songs with wailing).
OMG!!!!!!! OuO I'll let you know everything when I'm done with all my homework. 7-7 And thank you so much! OuO You showed me how heaven sounds.Cute. The exposure to new peeps is so important and why collaborations are great. Different topic - Don't know if he was linked thru LMD but there is a lot of exposure for Adam on that video. Maybe the offended glamberts (yes one said that) will realize that sometimes listening to a song without preconceptions (it's great who was that singing?) works better than giving someone excuses (oh it's that gay idol loser - I knew that song stank before I even listened) I think you have an excellent point, Jablea. I have often heard a song I liked but had to look up the vocalist, only to find it was someone I would usually not listen to. I am sure a lot of Avicci fans will not necessarily be Adam fans, but they will LOVE this track and want to hear more Adam. |
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Post by Craazyforadam on May 23, 2014 12:25:25 GMT -5
So the world 'all-time' only means that all songs since 2002 sung by an idol during or since the show are in the running. It does not mean that anything is accumulated at all. Great. Appreciate that reminder. Did totally not realize that this was the method. This is almost as silly as this statistic yesterday: www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/20/top-artists-vocal-range_n_5357698.htmlIf you want to have a good understanding on how qualified that list is, here is the number 4 on that list trying to hit some high notes. Careful - ears may be bleeding! celebrity.yahoo.com/the-insider/did-steven-tyler-forget-crazy-225213988.htmlI realize, he is not the youngest anymore, but he looks and sounds seriously run down here. Would not look forward to going to that concert tonight, but I bet it is full, in Lithuenia, and wherever he goes from there. ITA that vocal range = great signer list is ridiculous BUT.... But to be fair to Steven Tyler -- he was an excellent frontman. He's 66 now, and no one his age who was a rock frontman shredding with his voice for 30 years come out unscathed. He is not my fav vocalist but at their peak Aerosmith with Steve were awesome. youtu.be/Nm6hJXpfQnoOh, no question. But I don't think he ever was quite in Adam's league, when it come to quality. Range, probably yes. But anything above 3 - 3.5 octaves on that list is to be questioned anyhow. If the quality standard that people put in place, when they talk about Adam's 3 octaves, would be put in place when measuring others, they all would come tumbling down from whatever lofty fantasy heights this range statistic attributes to them, and get back to planet earth. Nuff said about this silly list. Huff Post should be ashamed for publishing such nonsense, and quite a few folks in the comments have pointed that out to them, actually. But you know that a list like this will get endlessly copied, and now we know how legends are formed. |
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Post by Q3 on May 23, 2014 12:37:05 GMT -5
CraazyforAdam: "Nuff said about this silly list. Huff Post should be ashamed for publishing such nonsense,.."
ITA -- but I did want to defend Steven Tyler. He is sometimes under-appreciated because he keeps singing when he would move on to something else.
Robert Plant moved on to bluegrass -- it was a smart move. If he tried to tour with LZepp now it would be a joke. I think he is too smart for that.
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On Adam - you are correct, two different leagues.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 13:03:00 GMT -5
Kelly's songs would have still been at the top of the list, even using year end lists because Kelly's SUBG was #4 and BTHE was #10 for the year end chart of 2005 whereas Home was #49 on the year end chart of 2012 and #46 in 2013. I wrote a really poorly written note. I am referring the Phillips Phillips "Home" (2012), not Daughty's "Home" (2005). And my comment about yearend charts was general not specific to "Home". >> "Home" was released in May 2012, and had 3 peaks across 2 years. And is still racking up sales and airplay. Not sure how to capture the size of this hit without using total airplay audience and total sales. But it is BIG. Certainly Kelly is the #1 artist from Idol by most measures. But "Home" is a fluke. JMHO "Home" should be ranked higher than the #6 -- good argument for #2 or #3 -- and I would put it #1 because of the TV usage. #5 is "Breakaway" - Kelly Clarkson Hot 100 Peak: No. 6 (2004) Certified GOLD. "Home" is certified 4xP and still selling -- I think it may actually be 5xP -- it will certainly get there. Kelly's top selling US single is "Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)" 4xP #2 is MKIA at 3xP. SUBG and BTHE are "only" 1P. I think we can agree that this list Fred Bronson put together is useless since it is based solely on peak position with no consideration of duration. ** Fred does not reveal his methodology -- but he clearly used chart rank -- and rank data is not absolute. Also with the shift is sales from albums to tracks fueled by digital conversion -- #1 in 2004 is almost always a lot less sales than #1 in 2013. Finally, BBoard changed the Hot 100 to include social media during this period. Fred "To celebrate the series' 500th show and the finale of season 13, here are the top 100 songs by Idols based on chart performance on the Hot 100, with the stories behind the songs, many of them being told for the first time." All we know is he used Hot 100 rank. Not a good statistical method. I understood which "HOME" song you were referring to, hence citing the year end charts for 2012 and 2013. I also understood it to be a general statement using that song as an example of how the chart might look different if year end charts were used rather than peak positions (which upon further review peak positions weren't the sole factor in ranking these songs) and I still stand by my statement that those songs would still be ranked higher than any others because of their positions on year end charts, #4 and #10 respectively for their peak year. Home was a fluke. I believe any song could have found that kind of success with the amount of promotion it received. Actually I wouldn't agree that the list is useless and certainly not for the reason you're claiming. If you look at the list there are several songs that peaked at #1 which are outranked by other songs that didn't even hit the top of the BBHOT100 chart. Perfect Example: #1 SUBG never hit #1 on the HOT100 chart whereas #2 Stronger was #1 for three weeks. It would appear to me that more went into this list than just peak position on the HOT100 which is how Breakway, the single ranks #5 because it spent 22 weeks at #1 on the AC chart. This list is based on overall performance of the song IMO, which is why some #1 songs aren't ranked even in the top 10. Regarding the #1 in 2004 v. #1 in 2013 argument I think you can extrapalate what a song that peaked at #1 in 2004 would sell in today's market based on the overall popularity and performance of the song and conclude that it all equals out in the end. In 2004 when SUBG was it it's peak digital singles weren't selling like they are now. Heck I remember it was a big deal to get a song that sold 1 million downloads then. Youtube views for SUBG are 21M v. 28M for Philip's Home - whereas STronger has 108M views. Again more factored into this chart than just peak positions (regardless of what Fred says LOL) on the HOT100 chart IMO because if that were it Stronger would be #1 not SUBG. |
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