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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 9:04:57 GMT -5
For me, I can't take "He's no Freddie, but..." comments too seriously. These are the people that protested anyone but Freddie singing with Queen and this type comment is very close to backtracking. They simply don't want to do that. They are trying not to disavow their previous stand and don't want their buddies to think them to have changed their minds. I would only ask you not to be too terribly offended- it only harshes your buzz. They are coming around bit by bit- please take comfort in that and try to let the rest roll off your back.   |
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Post by talon on Jun 18, 2014 9:08:30 GMT -5
My $.02 on the "He's no/not Freddie but..." debate and being that I am an outsider (of sorts) who actually would say this, I feel I can offer up something different to the argument. 1. I absolutely would say that *IN THIS CONTEXT ONLY*. When Adam agreed to sing Queen songs with Brian and Roger's invitiation/blessing, etc. the comparison has to happen. I don't believe people will say that in terms of Adam's solo music or his other covers or forays or whatever. BUT if you are going to sing Queen's music, then the comparisons WILL be made. which leads to.... 2. Keep in mind and context imprinting. I never heard that phrase before this forum, but I think it makes absolute sense here. This is not a Freddie vs. Adam singing contest in who sings better. It's a case where Freddie created these songs and recorded them/performed them first and everyone here admits that Freddie was a phenomenal talent so quite easily should be able to admit that Freddie has made a MAJOR imprint on these songs for EVERY Queen fan, MOST casual fans, and in some cases even Glamberts. SO in my mind when you hear He's no Freddie, or he's not Freddie it is not even quite a case of Freddie's better than Adam or whatever. It's a case of He's not Freddie who created and put his major stamp on these songs with this band. Quite frankly, I think it's one of the highest compliments he could get from a Queen fan. And from those who recognize Freddie as one of the greatest ever. It could be FAR worse....They could leave out that last word. He's no Freddie. He's no Freddie BUT indicates that Adam has passed a certain muster and while Freddie's take on his own songs can never be surpassed...they are HIS songs...Adam is doing a helluva job interpreting them. And furthermore....as much as Glamberts (and myself and some Queen fans) ARE enjoying the collaboration...I think most people would rather have Freddie with us still, creating, performing and singing...and Adam merely duetting with all four members of Queen.....Queen fans can't have Freddie...but Adam is doing a helluva job. :D So while I can emapthize and understand being sick of the comparison - try to think of it in the above light and it may sit better.... Hopefully no offense is taken, none was meant and I have the highest admiration for the job Adam is doing  |
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Post by talon on Jun 18, 2014 9:10:53 GMT -5
TALON'S TAKE:
God Save The Queen
Traditional - Arranged by: Brian May
Musicians:
Brian May - guitars
Roger Taylor - drums, timpani, orchestral cymbals
- Recorded to use at the end of concerts during the Sheer Heart Attack sessions, the band decided to also use it to end their biggest album.
- Still used to this day at the end of any proper Queen show. In concert the studio version is played over the speaker as the band bows. Ironically, it is performed by only the two who make up Queen today as Freddie and John sit this one out.
QUOTES:
- "That's something that we've had in our stage act for a long while, y'know, and when we were recording A Night At The Opera, I felt it just lent itself. The whole thing is done by Brian. It's all Brian's guitar, every bit of it, with cymbals and things. I told you we have nobody else coming in. We don't use synthesizers... Brian can get all those sounds with his guitar." - Freddie Mercury - 21/05/1976, Record Mirror
ALTERNATIVE VERSIONS:
SINGLE VERSION
- NOT essential.
- Released as the B-Side to the 1975 re-release of Keep Yourself Alive.
- The only difference is that instead of fading in, this version just crashes in.
UNRELEASED AND UNHEARD:
BRIAN MAY SOLO PIANO DEMOS
- Brian at first arrangement, used a piano.
OFFICIALLY RELEASED LIVE VERSIONS:
GOLDEN JUBILEE 2002 VERSION
-- ESSENTIAL! The only true LIVE performance featuring Brian's iconic performance from the roof of Buckingham Palace! Brian live in front of the world again...and again the risk of playing it live far away from the orchestra with only some monitors. Very cool performance to open the Jubilee!
DOCUMENTARY:
THE MAKING OF GOD SAVE THE QUEEN+
- Sorry I couldn't find JUST God Save The Queen's part but it is the last part of this video...somewhere around the 9-10 minute mark.
PERSONAL NOTES:
-- It's only fitting that Queen should cover this tune. Brian, like always, with the perfect arrangement.
CHANCES:
God Save The Queen......100% -- Of course they won't actually play it. It'll play off on the tape at the end like EVERY gig.
SUPPLEMENTAL
While Q3 had chosen most of the BIG numbers for her list, I had to scrounge a bit for good comparisons. I thought this a nice one to end on.....
Made In Heaven
Written by: Freddie Mercury
Musicians:
Freddie Mercury - lead and backing vocals, piano, keyboards
Brian May - guitars
John Deacon - bass guitar
Roger Taylor - drums, percussion
- Apparently, this is an arrangement spearheaded by Roger. It adds thundering drums and some great guitar work from Brian.
- It was never attempted live nor will it be is my guess.
QUOTE
“…which I think is possibly the best-sounding Queen song ever.” – Brian May - 2004
FREDDIE VERSIONS:
VIDEO VERSION
- NOT ESSENTIAL for the audio but the video is cool!
- Just a few added effects for visuals.
EXTENDED VERSION
- ESSENTIAL!
- One of the best extended versions - includes an additional vocal intro, changed vocal ending and additional piano parts
PERSONAL NOTES: As Freddie tired of his Mr. Bad Guy albums, we were left with songs that had great potential but never seemed quite finished. Brian and Roger add such life to this track which was already a great track. It is just made even greater. Brilliant, brilliant track. One of my favorite Brian solos.
CHANCES:
Made In Heaven......2% - I can't say 0 but it's pretty darn close...
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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Jun 18, 2014 9:21:39 GMT -5
At what point will the tour hit the buses? Do you think they're riding them to Chicago?
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Post by Kamar on Jun 18, 2014 9:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by rpeura on Jun 18, 2014 9:41:15 GMT -5
Funny, I actually don't mind "he's no Freddie..." as long as people are able to admit that he is a stellar vocalist. I thought it would really bug me. I can't appreciate when others sing his songs.. or heck there are some from Idol that I can't get past (Feeling Good with the exception of Nina Simone). So I get it. Thankfully many of the skeptical people have quieted down.. so I'm good. Hang in there its going to be a long summer.  I've come to realize that more often than not the "he's no Freddie" comment is self protective on the part of the commenter or writer. They are afraid that if they don't clarify that Freddie is the one and only they will be seen as betraying Freddie. It's almost like a vocal tic at this point, kind of a blanket disclaimer to excuse the "heresy" of actually being impressed by Adam. You have to start with the necessary obeisance to the legend before you can continue your evaluation of the present. |
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Post by adamme on Jun 18, 2014 9:44:17 GMT -5
My $.02 on the "He's no/not Freddie but..." debate and being that I am an outsider (of sorts) who actually would say this, I feel I can offer up something different to the argument. 1. I absolutely would say that *IN THIS CONTEXT ONLY*. When Adam agreed to sing Queen songs with Brian and Roger's invitiation/blessing, etc. the comparison has to happen. I don't believe people will say that in terms of Adam's solo music or his other covers or forays or whatever. BUT if you are going to sing Queen's music, then the comparisons WILL be made. which leads to.... 2. Keep in mind and context imprinting. I never heard that phrase before this forum, but I think it makes absolute sense here. This is not a Freddie vs. Adam singing contest in who sings better. It's a case where Freddie created these songs and recorded them/performed them first and everyone here admits that Freddie was a phenomenal talent so quite easily should be able to admit that Freddie has made a MAJOR imprint on these songs for EVERY Queen fan, MOST casual fans, and in some cases even Glamberts. SO in my mind when you hear He's no Freddie, or he's not Freddie it is not even quite a case of Freddie's better than Adam or whatever. It's a case of He's not Freddie who created and put his major stamp on these songs with this band. Quite frankly, I think it's one of the highest compliments he could get from a Queen fan. And from those who recognize Freddie as one of the greatest ever. It could be FAR worse....They could leave out that last word. He's no Freddie. He's no Freddie BUT indicates that Adam has passed a certain muster and while Freddie's take on his own songs can never be surpassed...they are HIS songs...Adam is doing a helluva job interpreting them. And furthermore....as much as Glamberts (and myself and some Queen fans) ARE enjoying the collaboration...I think most people would rather have Freddie with us still, creating, performing and singing...and Adam merely duetting with all four members of Queen.....Queen fans can't have Freddie...but Adam is doing a helluva job. :D So while I can emapthize and understand being sick of the comparison - try to think of it in the above light and it may sit better.... Hopefully no offense is taken, none was meant and I have the highest admiration for the job Adam is doing
No offense's taken at all, at least for me. I've never took the, "He's no Freddie" to heart, because to me he's not, he's different. They both great singers and performers and love them both. Like you mentioned, when Adam agreed to take this job to tour with Queen the comparison's unavoidable, people who get used to Freddie singing the songs like it or not will see and hear the different. I don't see a problem with that. Like when people singing Adam's song I feel and hear the difference. Adam's voice singing Queen songs feels different to Queen fans but some of them if not most have accepted it and has turned to like it. I'm so glad and happy for that, I can see in the forum that one by one has opened their mind and accepted him.
I love this Adam's journey with Queen and so very proud of him and still thinking that to date Adam's the only singer so far that can justify singing the Queen catalogues. 
talon, reading the Queen forum, we're really blessed to have you here with all your Queen knowledge, your open minded and positive attitude and your patient in answering all questions. If we ever have an Adamtopia meet up in NY before or after the concert, wouldn't it be nice if all the atopians who will be in NY concerts to finally meet you and your family. And hopefully you'll still be around when this summer concert comes to end. I think you're part of our "glamily" now. 
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Post by taumbu on Jun 18, 2014 9:48:03 GMT -5
My $.02 on the "He's no/not Freddie but..." debate and being that I am an outsider (of sorts) who actually would say this, I feel I can offer up something different to the argument. 1. I absolutely would say that *IN THIS CONTEXT ONLY*. When Adam agreed to sing Queen songs with Brian and Roger's invitiation/blessing, etc. the comparison has to happen. I don't believe people will say that in terms of Adam's solo music or his other covers or forays or whatever. BUT if you are going to sing Queen's music, then the comparisons WILL be made. which leads to.... 2. Keep in mind and context imprinting. I never heard that phrase before this forum, but I think it makes absolute sense here. This is not a Freddie vs. Adam singing contest in who sings better. It's a case where Freddie created these songs and recorded them/performed them first and everyone here admits that Freddie was a phenomenal talent so quite easily should be able to admit that Freddie has made a MAJOR imprint on these songs for EVERY Queen fan, MOST casual fans, and in some cases even Glamberts. SO in my mind when you hear He's no Freddie, or he's not Freddie it is not even quite a case of Freddie's better than Adam or whatever. It's a case of He's not Freddie who created and put his major stamp on these songs with this band. Quite frankly, I think it's one of the highest compliments he could get from a Queen fan. And from those who recognize Freddie as one of the greatest ever. It could be FAR worse....They could leave out that last word. He's no Freddie. He's no Freddie BUT indicates that Adam has passed a certain muster and while Freddie's take on his own songs can never be surpassed...they are HIS songs...Adam is doing a helluva job interpreting them. And furthermore....as much as Glamberts (and myself and some Queen fans) ARE enjoying the collaboration...I think most people would rather have Freddie with us still, creating, performing and singing...and Adam merely duetting with all four members of Queen.....Queen fans can't have Freddie...but Adam is doing a helluva job. :D So while I can emapthize and understand being sick of the comparison - try to think of it in the above light and it may sit better.... Hopefully no offense is taken, none was meant and I have the highest admiration for the job Adam is doing Thanks Talon for this. I totally get what you are saying. It is Freddie's legacy. Hopefully the Queen purists will gradually realize that Adam is bringing Freddie's songs to audiences so they can be heard live. Maybe some, like me, will be motived to go back and discover the awesomeness that was Freddie Mercury. And maybe others will be motivated to discover the awesomeness that is Adam Lambert through his music. |
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Post by Kamar on Jun 18, 2014 9:49:39 GMT -5
Adam Lambert is not Freddie Mercury . And he's not even trying to be Freddie Mercury , he's said so in SO many interviews , he must be tired about the topic already (I know I'm tired) . He's bringing his own (Louboutin) shoes Adam Lambert is just a phenomenal singer who can sing the Queen songs beautifully and make them justice . Brian and Roger found him and approved . And now they're touring , to keep Queen's legacy alive and bring all those classics to the stage again after so many years . I don't think Freddie wouldn't like that . People who keep comparing Adam to Freddie are just missing one hell of a good show . And like Adam said "stay home" (and don't watch it) just my little two cents before the big bang (Queenbert tour) !!! Oh , and I actually , really , truthfully CANNOT WAIT TO SEE ADAM FUCKING LAMBERT'S COSTUMES . |
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Post by Q3 on Jun 18, 2014 9:59:20 GMT -5
First, that video of Brian on the roof of Buckingham Palace made my heart stir- what a moment that must have been for him. Confession time- I am as excited to see Brian May play as I am about Adam!! Don't stone me, he's always been my favorite guitarist ever- he simply makes that thing cry. And as a man I am just in love with him. Second, I have to wonder if John Deacon snuck in a listen to iHeart, or to anything over the past few years. Such a crazy talented guy... I miss him badly. See you guys in Chicago tomorrow night! I adore Brian May! And can't wait to see the three of them (Bri, Roger and Adam) together again. I am excited to see Adam just a slight bit more that Brian and Roger. If John popped in (not happening), I would probably faint from excitement. On to Chicago! |
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