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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Jun 18, 2014 10:01:02 GMT -5
I feel like Adam is in a really good place re the Freddie comparisons and criticism -- he seems to take it all very lightly with a shoulder shrug and a reminder that "it's just music". It probably took him a little while to get to that point but I think he's there. I don't think there are too many more ways that he can explain his outlook on Freddie and the Queen catalog and, I think, he's through explaining. What I don't understand are the people that think he's a bad fit but continue to watch the videos and the streams. Don't Watch!
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Post by wal on Jun 18, 2014 10:06:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 10:10:54 GMT -5
Oh my gosh...!!! *dead* 'Gelly @14gelly now HE'S EYE FUCKING YOU pic.twitter.com/KzTVNuadDH'  I think this is my new favorite picture of Adam  So I am posting it again  |
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Post by nica575 on Jun 18, 2014 10:14:30 GMT -5
Talon, do you think the announced release of the Rainbow will take the pressure off in a sense that the Queen fans are FINALLY getting the "old" stuff and not just "silly" collaborations? It is my understanding there is/was a feeling in some core fan circles that B&R are/were "distracted from working on the archives", but now the Rainbow is a realityand a new album is the works...
Do you see any change in attitude towards B&R?
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Post by haribert on Jun 18, 2014 10:16:43 GMT -5
My $.02 on the "He's no/not Freddie but..." debate and being that I am an outsider (of sorts) who actually would say this, I feel I can offer up something different to the argument. It could be FAR worse....They could leave out that last word. He's no Freddie. He's no Freddie BUT indicates that Adam has passed a certain muster and while Freddie's take on his own songs can never be surpassed...they are HIS songs...Adam is doing a helluva job interpreting them. And furthermore....as much as Glamberts (and myself and some Queen fans) ARE enjoying the collaboration...I think most people would rather have Freddie with us still, creating, performing and singing...and Adam merely duetting with all four members of Queen.....Queen fans can't have Freddie...but Adam is doing a helluva job. :D I totally agree with Talon on this point, and with those who see "He's no Freddie BUT" as a disclaimer that certain Queen fans feel they must include to give Mercury the master his due before allowing themselves to praise Adam. I would add another BUT, though: Adam is a master showman and singer in his own right, and deserves to be recognized as such. It's funny. When I worked in the software world, no one expected version 2.0 of a program or app to be identical to version 1.0. 2.0 was always expected to be better than (or at least as good as) version 1.0. Think of Queen including Freddie as Queen 1.0. Since then, we've had versions with guest frontmen that have been like partial interim updates (Queen 1.1 = Queen with Paul Rodgers, for example) -- but not a full new incarnation of the band. I submit that Queen + Adam is Queen 2.0: a complete new reimagining of the band that melds the old "functionality" (Queen music catalog and Brian and Roger's superb musicianship) with a dynamic new driver (Adam's killer vocals and stage magic). One other thought. When I look at my two other favorite bands of all time, I realize how lucky we all are to see the emergence of Queen 2.0. I can't think of any musician out there right now who'd have the skills to stand in for Lennon or Harrison in a revived Beatles (even their sons wouldn't make the cut, though Dhani Harrison is George's physical clone). Same situation if you tried to substitute for Led Zep's Page and Plant. But Queen is fortunate enough to have brought on board a matchless artist whose like only comes around once a generation. Yes, Queen 2.0 is different from Queen 1.0. But the universe has blessed us by giving them to us to watch and listen to. |
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Post by Buderschnookie on Jun 18, 2014 10:22:03 GMT -5
If anyone finds themselves offended by Queen purists' comments over the course of this tour, step back and think- what if GOD FORBID (knocked wood three times) something tragic ended Adam's life or career and two decades later some young, hot gay man with the voice of an angel sang "Whataya Want From Me" on a talent show and took the country by storm.
Would you accept him with open arms or would you silently cry to heaven and protest his excellence in some sort of misguided hope of keeping Adam's legacy alive?
I would think we'd see the other side of the coin in that instance.
Adam's got this and Brian and Roger have his back.
As with all things, there is room at the top for multiple examples of excellence and it's OK for some folks to have a different opinion.
It doesn't sully Adam or his legacy in the least.
It's the whole Ghandi thing "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
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Post by nica575 on Jun 18, 2014 10:26:31 GMT -5
so cute :D: ღ.•*♪♩Cindy!ღ.•♪♩  @cynthilu 43m @drbrianmay Morning Doc... I'm at the Crowne Plaza Metro...can we meet for brunch? My treat! You can bring Roger and Adam if you like |
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Post by Kamar on Jun 18, 2014 10:28:01 GMT -5
If anyone finds themselves offended by Queen purists' comments over the course of this tour, step back and think- what if GOD FORBID (knocked wood three times) something tragic ended Adam's life or career and two decades later some young, hot gay man with the voice of an angel sang "Whataya Want From Me" on a talent show and took the country by storm. Would you accept him with open arms or would you silently cry to heaven and protest his excellence in some sort of misguided hope of keeping Adam's legacy alive? I would think we'd see the other side of the coin in that instance. Adam's got this and Brian and Roger have his back. As with all things, there is room at the top for multiple examples of excellence and it's OK for some folks to have a different opinion. It doesn't sully Adam or his legacy in the least. It's the whole Ghandi thing "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Good question . . If the new singer tried to be a copycat , then , no , I wouldn't accept him . But if he was an avid fan of Adam's , and just wants to keep the legacy alive , and does the songs justice , then yes , why not ? |
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Post by koshka on Jun 18, 2014 10:31:29 GMT -5
My $.02 on the "He's no/not Freddie but..." debate and being that I am an outsider (of sorts) who actually would say this, I feel I can offer up something different to the argument. It could be FAR worse....They could leave out that last word. He's no Freddie. He's no Freddie BUT indicates that Adam has passed a certain muster and while Freddie's take on his own songs can never be surpassed...they are HIS songs...Adam is doing a helluva job interpreting them. And furthermore....as much as Glamberts (and myself and some Queen fans) ARE enjoying the collaboration...I think most people would rather have Freddie with us still, creating, performing and singing...and Adam merely duetting with all four members of Queen.....Queen fans can't have Freddie...but Adam is doing a helluva job. :D I totally agree with Talon on this point, and with those who see "He's no Freddie BUT" as a disclaimer that certain Queen fans feel they must include to give Mercury the master his due before allowing themselves to praise Adam. I would add another BUT, though: Adam is a master showman and singer in his own right, and deserves to be recognized as such. It's funny. When I worked in the software world, no one expected version 2.0 of a program or app to be identical to version 1.0. 2.0 was always expected to be better than (or at least as good as) version 1.0. Think of Queen including Freddie as Queen 1.0. Since then, we've had versions with guest frontmen that have been like partial interim updates (Queen 1.1 = Queen with Paul Rodgers, for example) -- but not a full new incarnation of the band. I submit that Queen + Adam is Queen 2.0: a complete new reimagining of the band that melds the old "functionality" (Queen music catalog and Brian and Roger's superb musicianship) with a dynamic new driver (Adam's killer vocals and stage magic). One other thought. When I look at my two other favorite bands of all time, I realize how lucky we all are to see the emergence of Queen 2.0. I can't think of any musician out there right now who'd have the skills to stand in for Lennon or Harrison in a revived Beatles (even their sons wouldn't make the cut, though Dhani Harrison is George's physical clone). Same situation if you tried to substitute for Led Zep's Page and Plant. But Queen is fortunate enough to have brought on board a matchless artist whose like only comes around once a generation. Yes, Queen 2.0 is different from Queen 1.0. But the universe has blessed us by giving them to us to watch and listen to. I worked software too.. thats only partially true.  Users know its not going to be exactly the same, but the average user want it to work exactly the same. LOL They don't want to learn anything new. People are simply creatures of habit. New is scary. |
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Post by rpeura on Jun 18, 2014 10:31:57 GMT -5
My $.02 on the "He's no/not Freddie but..." debate and being that I am an outsider (of sorts) who actually would say this, I feel I can offer up something different to the argument. 1. I absolutely would say that *IN THIS CONTEXT ONLY*. When Adam agreed to sing Queen songs with Brian and Roger's invitiation/blessing, etc. the comparison has to happen. I don't believe people will say that in terms of Adam's solo music or his other covers or forays or whatever. BUT if you are going to sing Queen's music, then the comparisons WILL be made. which leads to.... 2. Keep in mind and context imprinting. I never heard that phrase before this forum, but I think it makes absolute sense here. This is not a Freddie vs. Adam singing contest in who sings better. It's a case where Freddie created these songs and recorded them/performed them first and everyone here admits that Freddie was a phenomenal talent so quite easily should be able to admit that Freddie has made a MAJOR imprint on these songs for EVERY Queen fan, MOST casual fans, and in some cases even Glamberts. SO in my mind when you hear He's no Freddie, or he's not Freddie it is not even quite a case of Freddie's better than Adam or whatever. It's a case of He's not Freddie who created and put his major stamp on these songs with this band. Quite frankly, I think it's one of the highest compliments he could get from a Queen fan. And from those who recognize Freddie as one of the greatest ever. It could be FAR worse....They could leave out that last word. He's no Freddie. He's no Freddie BUT indicates that Adam has passed a certain muster and while Freddie's take on his own songs can never be surpassed...they are HIS songs...Adam is doing a helluva job interpreting them. And furthermore....as much as Glamberts (and myself and some Queen fans) ARE enjoying the collaboration...I think most people would rather have Freddie with us still, creating, performing and singing...and Adam merely duetting with all four members of Queen.....Queen fans can't have Freddie...but Adam is doing a helluva job. :D So while I can emapthize and understand being sick of the comparison - try to think of it in the above light and it may sit better.... Hopefully no offense is taken, none was meant and I have the highest admiration for the job Adam is doing Thank you talon for your rational post  You can see the both sides. When we are talking about performances I don't always remember that Freddie has written those song  I'm concentrating on the quality of the performance. Freddie vs. Adam singing contest is really silly. I have to admit that sometimes it's really difficult to bypass this: "He's no/not Freddie but..." but I try to remember your explanation and then I can bypass |
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Users know its not going to be exactly the same, but the average user want it to work exactly the same. LOL They don't want to learn anything new. People are simply creatures of habit. New is scary. 