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Post by glamnana on Feb 17, 2011 18:02:08 GMT -5
musicislife Loved your anecdotes, and I know other Atops would love to read them. Please post in the news thread when possible, ok? cassie When I listened to Aftermath after your answer to my question, I heard him breathe! sigh His audible breaths are fewer than Soaked, but def clear. And is vibrato what Elvis did with his voice? I don't hear that as much from Adam, but would like to know if it is "natural", or learned? Do music experts consider it "fake" singing? I don't participate in this thread very often due to my lack of musical knowledge, but love that it is here for me to read.  ET: And I looove Godiva chocolate!!
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Post by NoAngel on Feb 17, 2011 18:03:13 GMT -5
Cassie, thank you SOOOOOO much!!! You give me hope that we may yet someday hear PUU live  And it makes so much sense the way you explain how the recording process probably went. I had imagined that he would sing each phrase separately and then they stitched them together, but that would probably end up sounding like those automated recordings where each word is separate and. it. just. sounds. wrong.  And I have a much better appreciation for Acoustic Soaked now. I love when Adam shows off!!!
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Post by sugaree on Feb 17, 2011 18:05:04 GMT -5
Hi musicislife. Love your story.
cassie, thank you for starting this thread here. I missed reading it. Are we able to get any of the stuff from the thread at the old place. The discussions were so enlightening and interesting. I hope they're not gone forever.
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Post by aloha on Feb 17, 2011 19:43:35 GMT -5
Wow, Cassie,
I read your reply to my question early and then had to rush out. Sorry, I wanted to respond right away but couldn't Thank you!!!
I wasn't sure if I understood it perfectly, but I noticed something interesting in the car. I had Aftermath and Soaked cranked way up.. and I could see in my mind your cave analogy-- and I could hear it! ( I giggled imaging Adam's mouth opened wide cavelike.. with swirls of "waves" washing in and out and rippling and vibrating...)
You can bet this won't be my last foray into this thread.
Mahalo, sister.
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Post by cassie on Feb 17, 2011 21:20:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments/questions about vibrato. I found this on YT, and it's a good demonstration of vibrato. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NImtobclrIsAdam has what to me is a very pleasant, subtle vibrato at most times. The oscillation is quite fast and very narrow in fluctuation of the pitch. Listen to the live version of Feeling Good. The first verse is an almost straight tone. As he goes for more punch and power throughout the song he adds more vibrato in. When he goes for the glory note, "Feel innnnnnnnn" he starts with a pure straight tone, then adds the vibrato at the end of the note. The same for the final word, "good." www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjqmNOxsvCcThe FYE version of WWFM has very little vibrato, where the acoustic version has a bit more. When he sings in his "musical theater" voice in "Is Anybody Listening" he incorporates noticeable vibrato throughout most of the song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvwcJUhIa0UMy Conviction, where he is purposely impersonating a classical singer, has the most prominent vibrato I have heard from him. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upw_IUoUe8II like that he can change up the vibrato to match the song, or to change the tone within a song. |
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Post by cassie on Feb 17, 2011 21:33:16 GMT -5
Musicislife Fascinating story. Something in a blog from Neil alluded to the fact that Adam could not read music, or at least not proficiently, so that part didn't surprise me. Nor, actually did his claim of not knowing anything about music theory. In my experience, many/most pop and rock singers can't read music. That skill seems to only be taught or emphasized in classically trained singers. The same goes for music theory. Until a vocalist majors in music at a college or university, they rarely study theory, chords, styles, intervals, types, and keys.
Instrumentalists who have formal training HAVE to learn to read music, and many learn theory along the way as well. It is one of the reasons that many trained instrumentalists (as opposed to pop/rock players) view singers with a bit of disdain. And why they don't consider them REAL musicians.
Wish Adam could sight read music, as it would give him more tools and diversity, but, he has an excellent ear from music, and I imagine he can pick up and remember a melody line in just a few listenings.
While Adam may not have that theory background, he has lots of technical skills, and since his voice teacher said he wanted to know how he made the sounds, he may know something about the anatomy and physiology of singing. But, he is a "hands-on" experiential learner. I would guess most of his technique was learned from demonstration followed by trial and error. At this point, his body knows how to do it, though he may not be able to articulate what he is doing.
I would love to talk to Adam about music and his technique. So glad you got the chance to do it, if just a little.
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Post by cassie on Feb 17, 2011 21:34:13 GMT -5
Hi musicislife. Love your story. cassie, thank you for starting this thread here. I missed reading it. Are we able to get any of the stuff from the thread at the old place. The discussions were so enlightening and interesting. I hope they're not gone forever. Hope so. I think Q3 is working on it. I don't know how to do it. |
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Post by cassie on Feb 17, 2011 21:35:07 GMT -5
Wow, Cassie, I read your reply to my question early and then had to rush out. Sorry, I wanted to respond right away but couldn't Thank you!!! I wasn't sure if I understood it perfectly, but I noticed something interesting in the car. I had Aftermath and Soaked cranked way up.. and I could see in my mind your cave analogy-- and I could hear it! ( I giggled imaging Adam's mouth opened wide cavelike.. with swirls of "waves" washing in and out and rippling and vibrating...) You can bet this won't be my last foray into this thread. Mahalo, sister. Oh, YAY! I never know if my analogies make any sense. Glad that one worked for you! |
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Post by musicislife on Feb 17, 2011 22:00:30 GMT -5
Hi sugaree & glamnana and thanks! Cassie - I'm back with my question Before I dive into it, I mentioned that sometimes his vibrato sounds like fluttering (I don't even know, it makes sense in my head!) and it stands out to me on the acoustic Sleepwalker he did in Zurich. It honestly gives me chills & stops me in my tracks everytime - when he sings "feel" at 1:56 but especially on "meeeee" at 2:05. It's just so perfect & beautiful. Sorry, idk how to embed but it's here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-9I2TbwwtYMy question about WLL is what key he sings it in. I've been analyzing them & am making a list of the best ones (imho of course!) for a playlist. Costa Mesa night 2 is such an amazing version - it's got a super sexy, like 70's porn music vibe to it lol! What makes it so impressive is his improvising & runs. This version has a very strong bass line to it and I love how you can hear how he syncopates his runs & fits them into the rhythm. A lot of pop singers fail at embellishing well - sure they can execute the runs, but they end up sounding sloppy because they don't mesh with the timing of the music. I'm a big fan of Christina Aguilera's voice, but she has a tendency to overuse the melisma and it gets messy. Here is Costa Mesa 2: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQDXPf7QC3QExamples - tap out the bass line with your hand & listen to the timing of the words "baby baby baby baby" at 1:56, the "yeah yeah, whoa whoa whoa whoa" run from 2:23-2:29, the run from 3:06-3:12, the run from 3:21-3:27 and especially the "love" from 3:37-3:42. SUPERB EXECUTION. GAHHH!!! Adam has such innate musicality & an amazing sense of rhythm. That can be obviously be taught but you can tell how naturally it just comes to him. And because I'm shallow, if you've never seen the full body version of this - RUN DON'T WALK HERE: www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIDmHg6D5ts. Cassie - Do you hear these things I'm talking about? Sometimes I dislike having a musical background when I listen to him because I'm constantly analyzing everything. But he's such a fun subject to study! |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Feb 17, 2011 23:37:01 GMT -5
musicislife so happy to be able to be a fly on the wall for you and Cassie's discussions. That Zurich Sleepwalker is one of my favorite Adam singing moments ever (I wish the promotor would release the HQ version they have, they released a video with him talking in front of it, arghh!). And that Oh ah oh at 2.08 or so absolutely makes my spine tingle. Hes never done that particular choice on that song in any other version I've heard.
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