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Post by durberville on May 5, 2012 16:36:29 GMT -5
Thanks so much cassie. I usually can recognize a bum note but have never been confident to call it either flat or sharp....now I'm much more informed. Hah!
Enjoyed watching all the videos....Mariah hits (and sometimes misses ;D ) notes only dogs should be able to hear....wow!
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Post by lambo on May 5, 2012 17:56:46 GMT -5
cassie and anyone who else who wants to lend an ear, I've been putting what I consider the best performances of each Adam song on my iPod, but I'm having trouble deciding between two versions of FYE!
What do you think? In future I think it'd be a cool idea for us to discuss the best versions of each song then edit them to flow together like one concert. I love GNL but there are even better versions of each song :D
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Post by cassie on May 5, 2012 19:53:33 GMT -5
cassie and anyone who else who wants to lend an ear, I've been putting what I consider the best performances of each Adam song on my iPod, but I'm having trouble deciding between two versions of FYE! What do you think? In future I think it'd be a cool idea for us to discuss the best versions of each song then edit them to flow together like one concert. I love GNL but there are even better versions of each song :D I think we tried, or someone tried to do that once. Or, maybe I am thinking of the DDD guys trying to make a list of the top 10, then top 20 live performances by Adam. So many differences of opinion. I just remember that, despite my love for Adam's voice, I just couldn't imagine listening to 100 different recordings of Fever live to pick my favorite. As for FYE, I think the problem with it has always been how much of the verse is way down in his low register. He's gotten stronger at the bottom of his range (about G3 and on down), and FYE in Europe toward the end of GNT, and in the last shows in LA had a much stronger tone than earlier. However, he limited what he did with the higher parts of the song and didn't really soar, so, it is a trade off. Of the two you listed, I have a definite preference for the iHeart radio performance. I think his pitch is better, and it is one of the rare recordings we hear him hit that Bb5. What do others think? |
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Post by aralid on May 6, 2012 5:31:07 GMT -5
cassie and anyone who else who wants to lend an ear, I've been putting what I consider the best performances of each Adam song on my iPod, but I'm having trouble deciding between two versions of FYE! www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIid9vI95a4www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fbcb2MA8KQWhat do you think? In future I think it'd be a cool idea for us to discuss the best versions of each song then edit them to flow together like one concert. I love GNL but there are even better versions of each song :D I think we tried, or someone tried to do that once. Or, maybe I am thinking of the DDD guys trying to make a list of the top 10, then top 20 live performances by Adam. So many differences of opinion. I just remember that, despite my love for Adam's voice, I just couldn't imagine listening to 100 different recordings of Fever live to pick my favorite. As for FYE, I think the problem with it has always been how much of the verse is way down in his low register. He's gotten stronger at the bottom of his range (about G3 and on down), and FYE in Europe toward the end of GNT, and in the last shows in LA had a much stronger tone than earlier. However, he limited what he did with the higher parts of the song and didn't really soar, so, it is a trade off. Of the two you listed, I have a definite preference for the iHeart radio performance. I think his pitch is better, and it is one of the rare recordings we hear him hit that Bb5. What do others think? I prefer the second one, too. But my favorite is this one |
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Post by lambo on May 6, 2012 6:10:25 GMT -5
I think we tried, or someone tried to do that once. Or, maybe I am thinking of the DDD guys trying to make a list of the top 10, then top 20 live performances by Adam. So many differences of opinion. I just remember that, despite my love for Adam's voice, I just couldn't imagine listening to 100 different recordings of Fever live to pick my favorite. As for FYE, I think the problem with it has always been how much of the verse is way down in his low register. He's gotten stronger at the bottom of his range (about G3 and on down), and FYE in Europe toward the end of GNT, and in the last shows in LA had a much stronger tone than earlier. However, he limited what he did with the higher parts of the song and didn't really soar, so, it is a trade off. Of the two you listed, I have a definite preference for the iHeart radio performance. I think his pitch is better, and it is one of the rare recordings we hear him hit that Bb5. What do others think? Would be hard, I've listened to most GNT shows though so I already have a big list of performances I thought were especially good of each song  Do you really think the lows are the problem with FYE? I mean he got lower than that every night on Aftermath, I think the high parts are the problem, he's hit higher notes of course but the phrasing is so quick and tricky. The "evolution" of that song I've picked up on to make it easier was changing the last line of the second chorus to just one Eb5 instead of a line of Db5s with an Eb5 on the end. Then in the bridge a "woah-oah-oah-oah-oahhh" instead of the first Eb5, then just a portamento up to Eb5 on "scream" instead of that crazy run with the Eb5s and Gb5. Very hard to sing like the studio version, I think those two versions I linked were the closest replications, and in the case of the iheartradio version he took it to another level with that Bb5 at the top! I prefer the second one, too. But my favorite is this one He's playing it very safe in this version since it's just a soundcheck, he does sound good but I feel this song needs those high passages to make it really take off like the studio version |
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Post by aralid on May 6, 2012 6:58:19 GMT -5
I think we tried, or someone tried to do that once. Or, maybe I am thinking of the DDD guys trying to make a list of the top 10, then top 20 live performances by Adam. So many differences of opinion. I just remember that, despite my love for Adam's voice, I just couldn't imagine listening to 100 different recordings of Fever live to pick my favorite. As for FYE, I think the problem with it has always been how much of the verse is way down in his low register. He's gotten stronger at the bottom of his range (about G3 and on down), and FYE in Europe toward the end of GNT, and in the last shows in LA had a much stronger tone than earlier. However, he limited what he did with the higher parts of the song and didn't really soar, so, it is a trade off. Of the two you listed, I have a definite preference for the iHeart radio performance. I think his pitch is better, and it is one of the rare recordings we hear him hit that Bb5. What do others think? Would be hard, I've listened to most GNT shows though so I already have a big list of performances I thought were especially good of each song Do you really think the lows are the problem with FYE? I mean he got lower than that every night on Aftermath, I think the high parts are the problem, he's hit higher notes of course but the phrasing is so quick and tricky. The "evolution" of that song I've picked up on to make it easier was changing the last line of the second chorus to just one Eb5 instead of a line of Db5s with an Eb5 on the end. Then in the bridge a "woah-oah-oah-oah-oahhh" instead of the first Eb5, then just a portamento up to Eb5 on "scream" instead of that crazy run with the Eb5s and Gb5. Very hard to sing like the studio version, I think those two versions I linked were the closest replications, and in the case of the iheartradio version he took it to another level with that Bb5 at the top! I prefer the second one, too. But my favorite is this one He's playing it very safe in this version since it's just a soundcheck, he does sound good but I feel this song needs those high passages to make it really take off like the studio version The high parts are not that improtant for me, so it does not bother me. As Cassie poited out the lower parts do sound stronger, that's why I like prefer this one. I also really like the GNT ones like this one But there are not the high parts you like, right? At least I cannot hear them, but that does not mean much. |
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Post by cassie on May 6, 2012 8:48:27 GMT -5
I think we tried, or someone tried to do that once. Or, maybe I am thinking of the DDD guys trying to make a list of the top 10, then top 20 live performances by Adam. So many differences of opinion. I just remember that, despite my love for Adam's voice, I just couldn't imagine listening to 100 different recordings of Fever live to pick my favorite. As for FYE, I think the problem with it has always been how much of the verse is way down in his low register. He's gotten stronger at the bottom of his range (about G3 and on down), and FYE in Europe toward the end of GNT, and in the last shows in LA had a much stronger tone than earlier. However, he limited what he did with the higher parts of the song and didn't really soar, so, it is a trade off. Of the two you listed, I have a definite preference for the iHeart radio performance. I think his pitch is better, and it is one of the rare recordings we hear him hit that Bb5. What do others think? Would be hard, I've listened to most GNT shows though so I already have a big list of performances I thought were especially good of each song Do you really think the lows are the problem with FYE? I mean he got lower than that every night on Aftermath, I think the high parts are the problem, he's hit higher notes of course but the phrasing is so quick and tricky. The "evolution" of that song I've picked up on to make it easier was changing the last line of the second chorus to just one Eb5 instead of a line of Db5s with an Eb5 on the end. Then in the bridge a "woah-oah-oah-oah-oahhh" instead of the first Eb5, then just a portamento up to Eb5 on "scream" instead of that crazy run with the Eb5s and Gb5. Very hard to sing like the studio version, I think those two versions I linked were the closest replications, and in the case of the iheartradio version he took it to another level with that Bb5 at the top! I prefer the second one, too. But my favorite is this one He's playing it very safe in this version since it's just a soundcheck, he does sound good but I feel this song needs those high passages to make it really take off like the studio version Of course you are right that Aftermath went even lower every performance. But it was more of a ballad with smooth lines giving him time to seat the note, if you know what I mean? In FYE he had to bounce on and off each note quickly and with punch, to attain the style, and he just didn't have a lot of power from abut the G3 on down. He had to be careful because if he used his strong muscles and breath support to push the power on those low notes he risked missing the pitch. Of course, that is just my opinion based on how I have to work to pop those low notes when I try to sing it. Probably no comparison to what Adam can do. As for the high notes, it is my impression that Adam wasn't always sure abut where he wanted the riffs to go. Perhaps because he hadn't sung it as frequently as the other GNT numbers, and it didn't live inside him as comfortably. Actually, this discussion points out why it is difficult to come to any consensus about which is the "best" performance. Different folks enjoy different things about Adam's voice and performance. But, it is always fun to compare notes. I have listened to almost all the GNT performances as well, when they happened. But I didn't have the smarts to note at the time when I heard a particularly good example of the songs, so, if we were to try to list the best now, I would have to go back and re-listen to them all. I love me some Adam singing, but that may be a bit much even for me. However, if you have short lists for each number and could post them like you did for FYE, it would be fun to discuss and try to come to an agreement about the best of the best. Thanks for bringing it up. |
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Post by lambo on May 6, 2012 8:55:09 GMT -5
I really like the arrangement on the medley versions but I don't count them cause they're not full performances that get into the tricky/impressive parts of the studio version. The low parts are great though, by the European leg of GNT he'd really worked out the kinks of adapting his voice to the tour schedule. His entire range sounded fantastic and the big notes were flawless.
I really like the Ste Agathe version of FYE though, the night performance. It's probably the most "complete" one: the low parts are good and he goes for the high notes in the bridge, simplifying them a little bit but it sounds fantastic. I wish we could have heard the Shanghai version!
Edit: Good post Cassie! I really think FYE is the toughest song of Adam's to sing. Claude Kelly seems to enjoy really pushing Adam for some reason, look at CLYG, BTIKM. The other writers/producers he worked with seemed to work to his strengths much better.
I'll have a look at my short lists later and post some things here. Very curious to hear your opinion on Sleepwalker in particular! So many amazing performances of that, no two the same.
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Post by lambo on May 7, 2012 2:46:44 GMT -5
The A2 on Runnin' is great :D So is the F5. I suppose that's the most range Adam has covered in a lead vocal in one song? The autotune towards the end is a bit unnecessary though.
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Post by cassie on May 7, 2012 11:31:42 GMT -5
The A2 on Runnin' is great :D So is the F5. I suppose that's the most range Adam has covered in a lead vocal in one song? The autotune towards the end is a bit unnecessary though. First, where are you hearing autotune? Not debating you. Sometimes I don't recognize it. As far as the widest range in one song, if it turns out that the bass harmony down to the D2 is legitimately Adam, absolutely. But, if we disregard that for the moment, I think that the Foxwoods WLL has a C3-Bb5. (C3 at about 1:10, and Bb5 at 5:26) But neither the bottom or the top note are sustained full like on this song. So, I'll give the nod to Runnin'. And for those of you reading, saying to yourself, "D2?? What D2?? Where?" It is at about 1:20 when he sings "the higher, the lower the down". The harmony echos the melody an octave below it. Thanks to nationalglampoon, you can hear it here: What do you think? picosong.com/wPTg/ |
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