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Post by Q3 on Feb 26, 2015 10:28:17 GMT -5
Of course If songs get frequent radio play they well become hits. I just don't think Trespassing really reflected Adam. I mean he has a rock leaning voice. So I guess their was just too much competition in that genre. The whole Dance thing. I am excited actually by the RNB influences. Songs like we found love, Adams vocals be great on that. But hope its pop/rock overall. That's his niche. LOL! An album that Adam executive produced and wrote all but 3 of 17 songs on "Doesn't reflect Adam?!" What are you talking about? There isn't TOO much competition in the rock genre! For the most part, it doesn't get played on radio here! NOT GONNA HAPPEN!! You follow Adam on twitter. Do you see the artists and songs he tweets about? When's the last time he loved a rock song? The days of radio pushing songs they pick and then people buying because of repetition are over. Streaming media (by far #1 influence with music buyers), the transparency of hourly digital track sales (iTunes), Arbitron metering of whose listening to radio station minute by minute, automated programming, the radio hubs, etc.....music needs to be popular to get mainstream Top 40 US Radio airplay. People outside of the US/Canada may not like it but whatever else, they will focus Adam's promo plan first on the US/Canada. I don't think Adam has rock-leaning voice. His voice is wonderful and he can span a lot of genres -- but within rock he is best on rock power ballads, glam rock, dance rock -- not metal, hard rock, anHoused he does not really sing contemporary alt rcok. And the one attempt to use 2000'ish rock production incorporating (FYE "Aftermath" Howard Bensen) was not successful. "Aftermath" acoustic (the non-rock arrangement) was substantially better. Rock is not on the radio, very little Pop-Rock on the radio, rock is not selling at a high rate even though there is some very good and some great rock music being released. *** Pop with R&B and House influences says to me --- strong vocals, clean production (no wall of sound rock stuff), electronic and real instruments BUT not guitar based music. *** Adam will put out an album that has a shot to be #1 and have #1 singles. Look at the top songs in the world -- no rock or pop-rock at the top. kworb.net/ww/Pos Artist and Title 1 Ellie Goulding - Love Me Like You Do 2 Mark Ronson - Uptown Funk 3 Ed Sheeran - Thinking Out Loud 4 Rihanna and Kanye West and Paul McCartney - FourFiveSeconds 5 Hozier - Take Me To Church 6 Zedd - I Want You to Know 7 The Weeknd - Earned It 8 Maroon 5 - Sugar 9 Taylor Swift - Blank Space 10 Common & John Legend - Glory 11 Sam Smith - I'm Not the Only One 12 Sam Smith - Stay With Me 13 Sia - Elastic Heart 14 Taylor Swift - Shake It Off 15 Sia - Chandelier 16 Rihanna - Towards the Sun 17 Avicii - The Nights 18 Taylor Swift - Style 19 Calvin Harris - Outside 20 Omi - Cheerleader 21 Meghan Trainor - All About That Bass 22 Meghan Trainor - Lips Are Movin 23 Pharrell Williams - Happy 24 John Legend - All of Me 25 AronChupa - I'm an Albatraoz Lots of vocally driven music on that list. No rock. The closest song is "Take Me To Church" which is a soul song that incorporates some rock elements. Personally, I am very happy that Adam did not mention "Rock touches" as he did with FYE or "Rock elements" as he did with Trespassing. |
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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Feb 26, 2015 10:56:13 GMT -5
I like hearing that Adam's voice will be front and center during Era3. I've always thought most of his music was over produced. I think on FYE it worked best - he had a lot of texture throughout that production. I also thought the arrangement of the FYE album was fantastic - the songs seemed to flow from one to the next. TP I loved as he performed it live more then it was produced on the album.
Adam is a pop artist looking for radio play. Personally, I like pop music when I feel like dancing or when I'm in the gym. Is it my "go to" music otherwise -- no. I don't ever have a "need" to play Trespassing over and over. I did with FYE though. So, for me, I hope TOH is somewhere in between FYE and TP -- keeping true to his "sound", not too over-produced, danceable, and with hooks that get in your head and stay there.
Now, I know this will sound absolutely ridiculous and overly commercial, but I've always thought Adam should do a wedding song. If the lyrics were right, it could be beautiful and we all know that Adam can kill a ballad. Really corny but, hey, why not!?
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Post by durberville on Feb 26, 2015 11:21:01 GMT -5
....sorry to prolong the issue, but I was name checked and just want to reply. Yes, I was the one expressing my objections to the c word...and yes, I'm aware that it is a very common term in the UK (my daughter's boyfriend is Scottish - he's been sternly warned to never use it in my presence...or hers). That said, MP is not British. okay done with that! Haha! (and I also enjoy the knowledge of Queen that you share with us Talon...I've learned so much  |
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Post by Q3 on Feb 26, 2015 11:23:33 GMT -5
This will be a contemporary pop album -- no matter what influences are added. Any real musicians are likely to not be in the studio when the vocals are recorded. But that is also how Queen created most of their music.
There is no lack of great musicians on Adam's first album -- he had Paul McCartney's touring band on "Fever", Oranthi on "Sleepwalker", Rob Cavallo brought in a orchestra for "Soaked" etc. And in every case except "Fever", I prefer the Acoustic Live version of these songs.
I prefer the product of the real Trespassing (excluding the RCA mandated tracks) to FYE but I still find the incorporation of the 80's elements -- from the 80's baselines to the MJ-inspired "Kickin' In" not to my taste.
BUT I am a fan of Trespassing. I think it is the album that Adam had to do in order to evolve. Even if the songs did not top the charts, some still sound like inevitable hits and prove that Adam is a genuine pop star.
I plagerized part of that bold sentence from the All Music review of Trespassing because I thought this line just nails it, "Even if these songs never grace the charts, they sound like inevitable hits and prove that Lambert is a genuine pop star who has now left American Idol far behind."
And Adam wants to be a pop star.
I agree with Talon -- even when we chose to not compare in comments, as I usually do, comparisons are inevitable for people who are Queen fans or who really know this music well or who saw classic Queen with Freddie or for Adam fans who love his voice but are only judging Freddie based on YouTube videos shoot 30-40 years ago.
They can be compared in some objective ways -- who can hit which notes, who is louder, who can sing more songs per night, etc.
But it is hard to compare the emotional affect and personal experience -- what really matters -- because that is personal and unique.
What I find ridiculous, however, is the people who post that Adam can't sing or that he sounds like a goat and so on. These are the comments that have no merit and are best ignored.
There is one big difference that makes comparisons difficult. This is a Greatest Hits concert, it is not filled with newness like the great Queen concerts of the 1970's and early 1980's -- up to 1982. The great Queen concerts of 1984-1986 were also Greatest Hits concerts -- although not something I ever saw live. The first time I head AOBTD (sung by Freddie and Roger) it was a new song, it was exciting. The first time I heard "White Queen" live it was with a new arrangement and Freddie on the piano. SCC was a heavy, aggressive song with somewhat variable (that is messed up) lyrics. Every tour had something new and exciting.
By 1980 organized Queen audience traditions started to evolve -- by the time they released "Radio Go Ga" (1984) and the hand clap video, the audiences learned to do the en-mass hand-clap live mimicking the music video. The Queen of RGG never toured North America or even Scotland - but worldwide people learned from videos what they were supposed to do. If I think back to 1974 and the chaotic energy of the audience, this set practice is unimaginable.
Even if Fred was alive and singing at his best, and if they were reunited for a tour, Queen in 2014-2015 would be different. The music would be hits everyone knows, there would be very little newness, and there would be very few surprises. And people would be comparing Freddie 2015 to Freddie 1986.
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Post by annala on Feb 26, 2015 11:42:14 GMT -5
I was going to save my comments on the QAL tour until the end, but I just want to respond to Talon's great post.
My feeling is that Queen with Freddie and Queen with Adam are two different shows. I took my teen-age sons and their friend to see Queen with Freddie back in the day when Freddie was in his prime, so I went as an adult (not a kid), and it was the most amazing show I had ever seen. Freddie came on like gangbusters - he had so much energy, he was all over the stage, and he was in your face. He totally dominated the stage. In thinking back on that show, I agree with you, Talon, that there was a dark almost menacing quality about him - and that was part of his power. But even me, a rather quiet mom of two teen-age sons, I was up on my feet, raising my arms, and singing and shouting - you could feel it in your gut.
And now, here I am back again with Queen and Adam. This time I took my grandson to one concert (his dad couldn't go because of severe back problems) and then to another show with my other son with whom I shared the first Queen experience. So it's a generational thing for our family. I dearly love Adam and that's why I'm on this fan site. Adam's voice, his stage presence, and Adam just being Adam are what drew me in, and with Queen, I knew it just had to be a win-win deal - and it was. And here I am again, still a rather quiet grandma on my feet, singing, clapping, and carrying on. While the music is the same and Brian and Roger are the same, the show has a somewhat different vibe. I didn't feel the more darker quality that you described, Talon, with Freddie, but instead I felt more the power of total joy. Adam loves to perform, and his joy of performing just radiated with Brian, Roger, the band members, and us, the audience. One thing I really like about QAL is that Brian and Roger are so deservedly highlighted (something I missed when I saw the performance with Freddie years ago).
As a side note, I have a special affinity for Roger. I have lost a lot of my hearing as I know Roger has too. So to watch him getting his clues from Adam in "Under Pressure" has special meaning for me. I so appreciate that he still has all this music in his soul and is carrying on with it, and not caving in and giving up. Also Roger's voice carries for me a sweet pang as that it somehow reminds me so much of Queen in the old days.
I'll have a little more to say about my impressions of the QAL tour as a whole later on, but I wanted to respond to Talon's comments now.
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Post by theosgma on Feb 26, 2015 12:09:43 GMT -5
I was going to save my comments on the QAL tour until the end, but I just want to respond to Talon's great post.
My feeling is that Queen with Freddie and Queen with Adam are two different shows. I took my teen-age sons and their friend to see Queen with Freddie back in the day when Freddie was in his prime, so I went as an adult (not a kid), and it was the most amazing show I had ever seen. Freddie came on like gangbusters - he had so much energy, he was all over the stage, and he was in your face. He totally dominated the stage. In thinking back on that show, I agree with you, Talon, that there was a dark almost menacing quality about him - and that was part of his power. But even me, a rather quiet mom of two teen-age sons, I was up on my feet, raising my arms, and singing and shouting - you could feel it in your gut.
And now, here I am back again with Queen and Adam. This time I took my grandson to one concert (his dad couldn't go because of severe back problems) and then to another show with my other son with whom I shared the first Queen experience. So it's a generational thing for our family. I dearly love Adam and that's why I'm on this fan site. Adam's voice, his stage presence, and Adam just being Adam are what drew me in, and with Queen, I knew it just had to be a win-win deal - and it was. And here I am again, still a rather quiet grandma on my feet, singing, clapping, and carrying on. While the music is the same and Brian and Roger are the same, the show has a somewhat different vibe. I didn't feel the more darker quality that you described, Talon, with Freddie, but instead I felt more the power of total joy. Adam loves to perform, and his joy of performing just radiated with Brian, Roger, the band members, and us, the audience. One thing I really like about QAL is that Brian and Roger are so deservedly highlighted (something I missed when I saw the performance with Freddie years ago).
As a side note, I have a special affinity for Roger. I have lost a lot of my hearing as I know Roger has too. So to watch him getting his clues from Adam in "Under Pressure" has special meaning for me. I so appreciate that he still has all this music in his soul and is carrying on with it, and not caving in and giving up. Also Roger's voice carries for me a sweet pang as that it somehow reminds me so much of Queen in the old days.
I'll have a little more to say about my impressions of the QAL tour as a whole later on, but I wanted to respond to Talon's comments now.
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Post by talon on Feb 26, 2015 14:25:05 GMT -5
Talon I truly appreciate your input to Adamtopia. You have shared so much about Queen and the Queen catalog with us and brought us a Queen fans perspective that better helps us understand some things in a very respectful way. Thank you!    THAK YOU TALON Talon, thank you so much for your reasoned responses. You, to my mind, are fair, balanced and articulate. I have found you to present your opinions clearly as opinions, and to deal with responses in a calm and patient manner. You stay true to your Freddie love, yet are not strident or over bearing, IMO. I appreciate your presence on this board more than I can say. I love the background we get about Queen, their inner workings, their history. I agree with so much of what you say, but most of all I appreciate the tone and tenor of your posts. For me, this board would be less without you. Thank you. It means a lot that my efforts are noticed...not only educationally, but I always try to consciously be as respectful as possible even in discussions that have a tendency to sometimes get...heated :D Yes^^^ Could not have found better words. Thank You Talon. As Adam said, they are not finished yet so hope you will be staying with us and continue to share with us. [/quote] Well with QAL continuing I'm SURE to stick around  Plus I at least have to finish my Queen + comparison thread now  AND at this point, I'm sure to give ToH a chance so....I'll be around even if I'm lurking....but I'm sure now and again I'll have something to say ....sorry to prolong the issue, but I was name checked and just want to reply. Yes, I was the one expressing my objections to the c word...and yes, I'm aware that it is a very common term in the UK (my daughter's boyfriend is Scottish - he's been sternly warned to never use it in my presence...or hers). That said, MP is not British. okay done with that! Haha! (and I also enjoy the knowledge of Queen that you share with us Talon...I've learned so much Fair enough :D Glad you've enjoyed learning  Interesting perspective. I wouldn't compare FYE to Acoustic though....I would compare it to Trespassing.....and that's where we obviously disagree. To me Trespassing had a very cold production...there was very little warmth to the sound.... And that's quite fine. I can't speak to that or to his desires...I can only speak to my tastes and it is quite possible/probable they aren't going to overlap. Doesn't mean it's wrong or it's me saying what Adam SHOULD do...just what I would personally want to hear out of him.... This is a great point I was going to save my comments on the QAL tour until the end, but I just want to respond to Talon's great post.
My feeling is that Queen with Freddie and Queen with Adam are two different shows. I took my teen-age sons and their friend to see Queen with Freddie back in the day when Freddie was in his prime, so I went as an adult (not a kid), and it was the most amazing show I had ever seen. Freddie came on like gangbusters - he had so much energy, he was all over the stage, and he was in your face. He totally dominated the stage. In thinking back on that show, I agree with you, Talon, that there was a dark almost menacing quality about him - and that was part of his power. But even me, a rather quiet mom of two teen-age sons, I was up on my feet, raising my arms, and singing and shouting - you could feel it in your gut. YES! [/p] And now, here I am back again with Queen and Adam. This time I took my grandson to one concert (his dad couldn't go because of severe back problems) and then to another show with my other son with whom I shared the first Queen experience. So it's a generational thing for our family. I dearly love Adam and that's why I'm on this fan site. Adam's voice, his stage presence, and Adam just being Adam are what drew me in, and with Queen, I knew it just had to be a win-win deal - and it was. And here I am again, still a rather quiet grandma on my feet, singing, clapping, and carrying on. While the music is the same and Brian and Roger are the same, the show has a somewhat different vibe. I didn't feel the more darker quality that you described, Talon, with Freddie, but instead I felt more the power of total joy. Adam loves to perform, and his joy of performing just radiated with Brian, Roger, the band members, and us, the audience. One thing I really like about QAL is that Brian and Roger are so deservedly highlighted (something I missed when I saw the performance with Freddie years ago). [/quote] That's what it is. Queen with Freddie (especially in the 70s) was a hungry band and it was about world domination. Now the vibe is more of a "Yeah we did that...now we can enjoy ourselves". It's a lot more celebratory in a way and not a lot in the way of ambition/hunger. It's more just let's enjoy this while we got it. I too like that B&R get more due....I never got to see one of their solo gigs so this was nice to see a highlight for me. [/p] As a side note, I have a special affinity for Roger. I have lost a lot of my hearing as I know Roger has too. So to watch him getting his clues from Adam in "Under Pressure" has special meaning for me. I so appreciate that he still has all this music in his soul and is carrying on with it, and not caving in and giving up. Also Roger's voice carries for me a sweet pang as that it somehow reminds me so much of Queen in the old days.
I'll have a little more to say about my impressions of the QAL tour as a whole later on, but I wanted to respond to Talon's comments now.
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Post by Q3 on Feb 26, 2015 14:40:29 GMT -5
I am not copying the long post above me but....one comment. talon I was comparing FYE "Aftermath" (I hate this production) to Acoustic Live "Aftermath" (same song, same singer, no rock wall-of-sound production crap cluttering it up). FYE album "Aftermath" sound dated, like Nickelback in 2005, acoustic "Aftermath" is fresh sounding and alive to me, it is a beautiful song and the lyrical meaning suits the acoustic version. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 18:45:12 GMT -5
Have to ask, is Roger really 100% deaf? How does he play then or communicate? #Dummyquestion #sorry
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Post by rihannsu on Feb 26, 2015 19:11:15 GMT -5
Have to ask, is Roger really 100% deaf? How does he play then or communicate? #Dummyquestion #sorry Not sure if you'll see this but Roger uses hearing aids. I don't remember if he gave a percentage of the loss but pretty sure it's not 100%. He said without hearing aids he misses most conversation as he can't make out the words. Probably worse when there are more than a few people around. |
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Plus I at least have to finish my Queen + comparison thread now 
AND at this point, I'm sure to give ToH a chance so....I'll be around even if I'm lurking....but I'm sure now and again I'll have something to say 
