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Post by danilo85 on May 11, 2011 10:09:31 GMT -5
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on May 11, 2011 10:14:12 GMT -5
Aaaannd...............on a perfectly shallow note, I FLOVE that outfit !!!!!!!   Back to work. Debate away guys, but BE RESPECTFUL of each other!!  Later! |
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Post by tigerlily on May 11, 2011 10:15:30 GMT -5
So much for the "little people" in Adam's world... Trying so hard to be nice, but that was totally inappropriate and uncalled for. Are we sure Lisa doesn't lurk here under an assumed name? Okay, okay, I'll sign off so I don't get into more trouble and get banned. Seriously! Wow! I didn't say the band members and dancers were "little people". I said they are adult professionals that were hired to do a job. I'm sure they were paid well and many of them have continued to get extra perks due to being associated with Adam. (free computer, keyboard, sold out gigs, album sales, baby gifts, 60,000 dollars in funding for an album, etc.) They were lucky to be a part of a worldwide tour and now it is over. It is now up to them to make their own way on their own talents. Adam doesn't owe any of them anything. |
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Post by SusieFierce on May 11, 2011 10:22:46 GMT -5
Soooo much to comment on!! Love so many posts and comments! Lifeguard, love that you're hanging around more! pjd, great points! ITA Hoppers, digital media has connected moms in ways it hasn't since we broke from a tribal dynamic, but it's fraught with issues as well.
I'll go stream-o-consciousness of my thoughts that I have and gleaned:
• In every friendship I've had since high school, there are a few major things that alter the dynamic of a friendship dramatically (with no one necessarily "at fault"); they are when someone is in the throes of a new relationship, when someone has experienced success that the other has not and when someone has new time demands and responsibilities they didn't have before. Most of learn how to work these things out when you're young and you understand. You wish your friend well and you're there when they need you.
• Creative life can be very tribal, as evidenced by Adam's tight-knit group of friends. Julia Cameron and other creative "gurus" tout them as absolutely necessary and that mutual collaboration and support are invaluable for any artist's development and promotion. However, inherent in ANY creative tribe is the potential for any of the members to break out and experience tremendous success where the others continue to struggle. Part of the value of creating a supportive circle is that when one experiences success, it can perhaps, proliferate to the others. That does not mean it should ever be expected or required as so many things are outside any one individual's control.
• Monte has said on many occasions that Adam is "an incredibly sweet, loyal guy." Adam has proven this. Monte has been employed for the better part of the last year and a half because of the risks Adam took (and his own talent, of course). I think both have gone above and beyond to maintain their personal and working relationship through a very tumultuous time (and a dramatic rise to fame on Adam's part). I think they both (like anyone in the music industry) had to know that it can end at any time. You go where the gigs take you and if you have a job when I need you, well, that's part and parcel of being a professional musician.
• I think Lisa did a REALLY immature and embarrassing thing, but I think Monte and Adam will likely patch it up. We all establish friendships with our co-workers and we've likely all seen co-workers/friends laid off or fired. Sometimes we maintain the friendship, sometimes we do not.
• Adam has proven his loyalty over and over and over to me as I've followed him these past two years, five months, but sometimes everything is not enough and people get their feelings hurt. If Lisa was reacting emotionally to a perceived slight of her husband, fine, but girlfriend, keep it off Twitter. When the dust settles, it will be about business and making a living as a musician and hands will be shook and backs will be slapped and they may or may not go on to work together again.
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Post by lynne on May 11, 2011 10:30:28 GMT -5
All of this makes me feel for Adam in his new life of fame. You never know who is going to go off and publicly rant about you and your personal business on twitter, looking for sympathy or revenge or attention. And because you are famous, everybody is listening to what anybody might have to say about you and speculating without any real facts.
The irony of being publicly talked about behind your back.
Grievances should be addressed face to face with the parties involved. This latest rant by L was very unprofessional and childish, and just made whatever situation she is dealing with more complicated and difficult to work through.
My husband works in the entertainment business and is hired job to job. Although it is
disappointing when someone who has used him for a project doesn't use him for their next one, it is always smart to maintain friendly relations with people who have hired you so you don't create a discomfort that might get in the way of that person hiring you again.
In the past 25 years, there have been friends who, after working with my husband, skipped over him for a project he would have liked to do, but then later came back and asked him to work on another project at a future date. This has happened repeatedly.
Business is business, and everyone ultimately has to do what he feels is best for each
particular situation, my husband included. There have been friends who wanted him to work on a project that were denied as well for what he felt was a better or more lucrative
project.
Adam is a solo artist. He treated his band and dancers very well on tour and constantly
acknowledged them in ways most artists don't. But this was one project. Now he is working on something different. It may or may not require a different supporting cast to pull off effectively.
We don't know. But I trust if things change, they will change for a reason that makes musical sense. I trust Adam. I do believe he is loyal and would always choose to use friends whenever he could when he felt they were the right choice for the music. If they are not, then it is about business, not loyalty or friendship.
It can be hard to accept when you feel you could do it all if given a chance. My husband has been there a few times. But ultimately, unless you are the one in charge, it is better to bend with the flow and not break the relationship.
Anyway, this has really made me think. I have been finding it satisfying seeing my sons collaborate in their music and film projects. However, this makes me think again. I think I will talk to each of them about this. Maybe thinking outcomes through preventatively now, when they are just starting out, would be a smart conversation for them to have.
Off to work.
Adam will be fine.
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Post by wiga on May 11, 2011 10:33:26 GMT -5
HSM quote:
But the internet complicates things. It allows you to talk with other blessed ADULTS about things, even if you can't leave your front door. And that's such a wonderful, wonderful thing. My stay-at-home friends use facebook and twitter as a sanity lifeline. Particularly since the likelihood of seeing an actual grownup other than your husband at some too-late hour of the night is slim to none. BUT....the Twitterverse is completely open. It gives the ILLUSION of a circle of friends, but allows far far more than friends access. However, when you're living minute to minute taking care of the latest need, its easy to forget that.
I've had friends say WAY too much stuff on Facebook that would have been perfectly ok to say directly to me. But they don't see me. I'm not physically there. So they leave an electronic message that a lot more people can see than me. That can be interpreted in a myriad of ways other than what was intended.
IMO, Lisa was tired and did something amazingly stupid in the heat of a bout of frustration, BECAUSE Twitter seems like a quiet circle of friends under most circumstances. But, as peeps know once you can think clearly, its not.
The quote did not work for this entry, sorry. My comments are in italics to help separate them from HSM's quote.
HSM, I agree with your thoughts here. As a former education professional of 16 years and now a SAHM for 4 years, this has been a very trying transition at times. The first year was awful, no adults, a newborn, and little time "out". The internet has been a lifeline like no other!
FB is a fun place to visit, but I am weirded out by it because of the "hidden eyes" that I know lurk behind each comment I write. I don't post much on FB as I am always paranoid about who I will offend or who will know more about me than I want them too. I am "nobody" and I worry about it. I do not have a Twitter account.
Privacy does not mean what it used to when applied to the internet. It is easy to forget that anyone with a keyboard and internet access can "see you". This loose and easy "privacy" really breeds an abnormal familiarity with people we would NEVER meet in RL. This can be good as demonstrated here on ATOP, or blow-up as it did with Lisa. This whole situation makes me sad and ever more mindful of the power of the internet.
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Post by adamrocks on May 11, 2011 10:35:14 GMT -5
Good morning! I keep popping in to see if there is any 'new' news concerning this Lisa starting controversy. Sorry...but my feelings are that Lisa should of STFU and let the professionals involved work it out. Of course, Lisa has a right to her feelings but the devil TWITTER is NOT the place to do this. JMHO Ugh! I feel I'm in the middle of a 'soap opera' and I've never even watched them! ;D I've got to leave but will be checking in later. My motto: Peace, Love, and Rock n' Roll!!  Lifeguard I hope you vist more. I love your posts! |
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Post by Jojo on May 11, 2011 10:42:21 GMT -5
I finally have something to suggest on the album titles. This would have been easier in Finnish.
Also I'm in the middle of spring final exams so I haven't had time to read trough everything and don't know all that has already been suggested so I apologize beforehand if I suggest something that someone else has already posted.
1. Saying how it is
Duality
Soundtrack of my heart
2. No such thing as enough
Rendezjam
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Post by durberville on May 11, 2011 10:46:59 GMT -5
wow....I can see I'm not going to get anything done today!
in the midst of all this drama, I must not be remiss and neglect birthday wishes -
HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHAMELEON AND GLAMHAPPYMAMA!!
danilo - congrats on your forum anniversary...but that photo made me laugh. Gorgeous outfit but Adam looks like Jay Leno! LOL!
I'm hoping that if he dyes his hair it won't be that yellowish blonde - way too ordinary. Billy Idol white is dramatic and much more appropriate for our boy. I kinda like that blue/grey he rocked in the tophat - how about THAT?! :D
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Post by cassie on May 11, 2011 10:47:56 GMT -5
Sigh. Sadz. 13 pages of this. Not even sure what to say.
What may or may not have happened between Monte and Adam regarding personal or professional issues should have stayed between Monte and Adam. Like bumps in most all of our relationships, it would have been worked out eventually. Or not.
Lisa jumping in to defend her man by attacking Adam, regardless if it was the result of too much wine, too many kids, too little family support, or whatever just made it 100 times worse.
Adam fans, out of love and loyalty and concern for Adam, jumping into the fray and making speculations just made it 1000 times worse.
Didn't we learn this lesson in elementary school? When we found ourselves in the middle of a feud not of our making, that only tangentially had anything to do with us? Or in our civic group or church congregation as adults, pulled into what should have been a petty disagreement between two parties, but ended up tearing the group into two or more warring camps, destroying everything that had been built?
I, for one, have decided this is not an issue I need to or want to speculate about, become involved with, or perpetuate. It is a waste of my energy, a drain to my positive attitude, and it accomplishes nothing positive in my life or the life of others. Left alone, this will run its course in a matter of hours or days. I choose to not allow it any more time to disturb my thoughts, so I am off to accomplish something in RL. I'll join back in when we are chatting about new Adam music, concerts, harem pants or hairdos. Think I'll listen to Angelina's radio program about interpretative artists to focus back on how amazing ADAM is.
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