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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 21:44:27 GMT -5
Sugaree, I wasn't replying to your post at all. Smokeyvera is right, it was a reply to her.
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Jun 6, 2011 21:46:17 GMT -5
I am not a Dr. but James doesn't seem bi-polar to me at all. Doesn't that invlove abrupt mood changes? I don't think anyone can make a diagnosis, like that, from afar. To me, James just seems, clueless, immature, and self absorbed. I didn't say he was bipolar. Never even thought that. I was using my disorder as an example of comparing symptoms of various mental disorders. He might be all of the things you described. Just trying to understand how symptoms of these disorders can be so standardized. He might be an ass. But I think bringing the Aspergers thing into it is unfair to him if people are going to use their experience with someone who suffers from the same disorder. I don't think I've ever read where he personally has used his disorder as an excuse. If anything, it's the Idol machine that put that whole thing out there and allowed him to to advance (before the public voting) based on that. Just another back story that I unfortunately think will hurt the poor guy. It doesn't matter to me if you're a teacher, doctor, social worker - whatever. Unless you've been in that person's shoes, you don't have any idea what is going on in their heads. Even if you are a person who suffers from the same disorder - whatever it is - you are not in that other person's head. Yes, we should all make the right decisions on how to represent ourselves in life, but I've sure had enough bashing (by myself and others) for the things that I've done that I really could not mentally control at the time. Things that I know were probably horrible, that I don't remember. That doesn't mean that I haven't spent hours and days regretting those actions and wishing I could take them back. Sorry, I digress, this is not about me. Just trying to understand the generalization and overall unsympathetic comments regarding some comments by an obviously confused young man. Doesn't really matter, and I should delete, but that's how I feel about it. Not trying to start any arguments. I see what you are saying - any armchair diagnosis/psychiatry is a slippery slope. One could give him a pass on the religious comments too, if one wanted to (not that I personally will) because he's definately not the only born-again Christian with those beliefs, and I'm sure he didn't consciously intend to diss anyone. But what explanation do we have for this then? James asks him for advice: JDurbinAI10 James Durbin @adamlambert Hey dude! Id really enjoy grabbing some lunch with you and just talking about all this Idol/Post Idol stuff! I could really use Some one on one advice. Regardless of any supposed bad blood, Im calling truce  Anyway.thats me. Glad your tour is goin great direct message me if this is something that you might be interested in doing. Thanks for the consideration! -James Adam responds, James thanks him and says twitter is the only way to contact him, "explains" to his followers that his intentions are good. Then says he wishes for the record Daughtry could give him advice. Then says he's stoked to be getting advice from Daughtry, and responds to this fan question: "What happened with @adamlamert? Were you asking him for advice?" With: "I was not. I was soliciting a lunch that's all..and putting an end to a fake feud. :-)" Against this background of asking for advice and then seemingly retracting it, specifically denying to his fans why he was contacting Adam - as though it was something a little shameful, or that he was reaching out to Adam only to bury the hatchet, it's natural that people don't tend to give him the benefit of the doubt in the words he chose to praise Daughtry as a mentor. |
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Post by lynne on Jun 6, 2011 21:49:35 GMT -5
Well, I don't think any of us can determine what diagnosis James may or may not have based on our limited observations of him. We can determine that he is good at digging holes. Moving on. Put me on the easy to please list regarding pics of Adam...I love all of them more than is reasonable. |
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Post by evergreen on Jun 6, 2011 21:54:22 GMT -5
It doesn't matter to me if you're a teacher, doctor, social worker - whatever. Unless you've been in that person's shoes, you don't have any idea what is going on in their heads. Even if you are a person who suffers from the same disorder - whatever it is - you are not in that other person's head. Sugaree - You make an excellent point! It's pretty hard to determine when to give someone a pass because of his condition and when to expect better/different behavior. "Judge not lest ye be judged" is a pretty good rule to live by, but it's pretty hard for me sometimes, especially if someone is messing with someone I care about. Gonna keep working at it, though... just like I say I'm not going to gossip ever again... I really appreciate that this is a place that such things can be discussed. May not be easy, but I think we're the better for it! Now - where's that eyes baby eyes pic we've been seeing all day??? |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Jun 6, 2011 21:57:38 GMT -5
sugaree  I can't find it in my heart to condemn the kid. It seems that he sometimes goes on a tangent that he can't get out of without help. Thankfully his girlfriend, mother of his child, saw what was happening and took over for him. I so understand. As I mentioned earlier, I sometimes have to smooth things over for my son and then get him away for some breathing room. I do believe that there are degrees in every type of mental disorder and no two people exhibit the exact same symptoms. I think James IS good hearted and was trying in his own bumbling way to fix things only to find himself getting more mired down in his own words. He contradicted himself and probably didn't realize it. I know that his words didn't go over well with many people, but he seems to me like a huge puppy falling over his big feet and slobbering around and generally making a big mess - and then standing there wagging his tail wondering why he is being yelled at. Silly comparison I know. Still thinking about my son, I guess. I hope that twitter is not being hateful to James.
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Post by smokeyvera on Jun 6, 2011 22:00:18 GMT -5
sugaree I can't find it in my heart to condemn the kid. It seems that he sometimes goes on a tangent that he can't get out of without help. Thankfully his girlfriend, mother of his child, saw what was happening and took over for him. I so understand. As I mentioned earlier, I sometimes have to smooth things over for my son and then get him away for some breathing room. I do believe that there are degrees in every type of mental disorder and no two people exhibit the exact same symptoms. I think James IS good hearted and was trying in his own bumbling way to fix things only to find himself getting more mired down in his own words. I know that his words didn't go over well with many people, but he seems to me like a huge puppy falling over his big feet and slobbering around and generally making a big mess - and then standing there wagging his tail wondering why he is being yelled at. Silly comparison I know. Still thinking about my son, I guess. I hope that twitter is not being hateful to James. Believe it or not, twitter has not shown JD any hate. The discussion has been among themselves. JD fans on the other hand have not been so nice. |
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Post by cookie on Jun 6, 2011 22:08:24 GMT -5
My stand on JD, from the beginning, has been that he is not worth the angst. Yes, he's his own worst enemy. Yes, TPTB from Idol did him no favors by not giving him honest feedback. Yes, he is foolish to think he has earned the right to speak to and about others in the industry in the dismissive way he has. I even agree with the people who say his behavior needs to be looked at through the lens of his diagnosis as well as the people who say being autistic isn't a free pass on bad behavior and the people who say that we shouldn't be so quick to judge(So sue me- I'm a social worker- I always agree with more than one side of an issue). But he is irrelevant to Adam. If he is successful, more power to him. If he falls on his face, hopefully he will have learned enough to find whatever kind of success is out there waiting for him. If he fades into oblivion, maybe he'll get the chance to play the hair metal music that he loves but will never be supported in the mainstream music world that he's dancing on the edge of. Maybe he'll be the next big thing in Christian Metal music. It doesn't matter. Adam is living his dream. He's having a blast making his album, working with people on his wish list, and doing it with his sweetheart of a boyfriend. I got no energy for JD, I'm saving it all for Adam. Here's Sauli's picture from London- can you imagine how much fun they had together? No angst there...  |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Jun 6, 2011 22:11:19 GMT -5
sugaree I can't find it in my heart to condemn the kid. It seems that he sometimes goes on a tangent that he can't get out of without help. Thankfully his girlfriend, mother of his child, saw what was happening and took over for him. I so understand. As I mentioned earlier, I sometimes have to smooth things over for my son and then get him away for some breathing room. I do believe that there are degrees in every type of mental disorder and no two people exhibit the exact same symptoms. I think James IS good hearted and was trying in his own bumbling way to fix things only to find himself getting more mired down in his own words. I know that his words didn't go over well with many people, but he seems to me like a huge puppy falling over his big feet and slobbering around and generally making a big mess - and then standing there wagging his tail wondering why he is being yelled at. Silly comparison I know. Still thinking about my son, I guess. I hope that twitter is not being hateful to James. Believe it or not, twitter has not shown JD any hate. The discussion has been among themselves. JD fans on the other hand have not been so nice. Ah...I'm sorry to hear that some James fans are being ugly about it. Well, that's on them. I'm glad Adam's fans have taken the high road on twitter.  |
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Post by sugaree on Jun 6, 2011 22:11:51 GMT -5
Damn - I'm sorry mys*&@^#r. I misunderstood and thought you were responding to me (and I didn't take it personally) just responding. It's all good. Thank you smokey for clarifying.
Night and hugs to everyone.
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Post by stardust on Jun 6, 2011 22:13:22 GMT -5
And, maybe it's time to move on. I think it's been discussed to death.  |
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Anyway.thats me. Glad your tour is goin great direct message me if this is something that you might be interested in doing. Thanks for the consideration! 
