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Post by ksha518 on Aug 16, 2011 23:29:56 GMT -5
Annie sang with Bowie - I think in 2006 And I listened to Bowie's "singles" records, kind of like greatest hits and they had 20 on a CD. THAT is what I want to see Adam get comfortable enough to do!!! He has the instincts and the talent...but he is still rooted in musical theatre [sounding like Kara here]. He is so used to following a script that he has a hard time leaving it and really performing in the moment. He lives his 'real' life in a very spontaneous and PRESENT place...but reverts to the comfortable when he gets on stage. We saw glimpses of a relaxation and comfort in Montreal and I really think we will see more and more of that but it will take lots of loving feedback for him to be really comfortable veering from a set list and script. One day we will see him ready to really jump into the unknown and I just want to be there to see it and share it as it will be as epic as this performance was. The funny things is, he needs to feel free to be perfectly less than perfect. Mszue, interesting post. The vid of Annie and Bowie is great and I can understand why you say what you say about Adam. I partially agree, although not completely. I definitely think he injects unscripted moments into a lot of his performances, depending on circumstances. Do you think his Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, and Amsterdam performances of Whole Lotta Love approach this level of in-the-zone performance? |
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 16, 2011 23:42:58 GMT -5
THAT is what I want to see Adam get comfortable enough to do!!! He has the instincts and the talent...but he is still rooted in musical theatre [sounding like Kara here]. He is so used to following a script that he has a hard time leaving it and really performing in the moment. He lives his 'real' life in a very spontaneous and PRESENT place...but reverts to the comfortable when he gets on stage.We saw glimpses of a relaxation and comfort in Montreal and I really think we will see more and more of that but it will take lots of loving feedback for him to be really comfortable veering from a set list and script. One day we will see him ready to really jump into the unknown and I just want to be there to see it and share it as it will be as epic as this performance was. The funny things is, he needs to feel free to be perfectly less than perfect. Mszue, interesting post. The vid of Annie and Bowie is great and I can understand why you say what you say about Adam. I partially agree, although not completely. I definitely think he injects unscripted moments into a lot of his performances, depending on circumstances. Do you think his Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, and Amsterdam performances of Whole Lotta Love approach this level of in-the-zone performance? Yeah, color me baffled here too. Have you ever seen Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, Russia, Montreal, Amsterdam, Cologne, Foxwoods, L.A. Noka (I'm sure I'm forgetting like a hundred) ... He's not in the moment? I guess my interpretation is entirely different, because I've rarely seen an artist more in the moment than those performances. And less on script. Wow, I couldn't disagree with a point more. Sorry. ETA: Watched the vid and yeah, "Under Pressure" is seriously up there among my favorite songs ever and I think Fantasy Springs WLL kicks this version's ass far as improv goes. Love Annie and Bowie together and wow, Sauli has a strong resemblance to Bowie with that look, particularly in the eyes and angularity of his face. Also loved the George Michael snippets and Brian May and Roger Taylor. |
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Post by mszue on Aug 17, 2011 0:05:28 GMT -5
THAT is what I want to see Adam get comfortable enough to do!!! He has the instincts and the talent...but he is still rooted in musical theatre [sounding like Kara here]. He is so used to following a script that he has a hard time leaving it and really performing in the moment. He lives his 'real' life in a very spontaneous and PRESENT place...but reverts to the comfortable when he gets on stage. We saw glimpses of a relaxation and comfort in Montreal and I really think we will see more and more of that but it will take lots of loving feedback for him to be really comfortable veering from a set list and script. One day we will see him ready to really jump into the unknown and I just want to be there to see it and share it as it will be as epic as this performance was. The funny things is, he needs to feel free to be perfectly less than perfect. Mszue, interesting post. The vid of Annie and Bowie is great and I can understand why you say what you say about Adam. I partially agree, although not completely. I definitely think he injects unscripted moments into a lot of his performances, depending on circumstances. Do you think his Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, and Amsterdam performances of Whole Lotta Love approach this level of in-the-zone performance? Well ksha518, this particular vid may or may not be a good example of what I am talking of as I have no idea how much rehearsal etc went into it...but it certainly has a sense of the 'moment' [to quote a certain comedienne we have all just watched with Adam :  ]. The performances at Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, and Amsterdam were all less scripted than the GNT, that is true however we know that the 'off script' portion of Amsterdam was under the influence of pot and there is a good possibility that both the other performances were 'spiritually' enhanced!  . But that is not the most important point...he was still performing HIS music, on HIS terms, by himself [as far as the singing goes... We know he can harmonize and share a stage beautifully when it is prepped or scripted. But can he trust another performer of equal stature...and perform on the fly....someone elses song... someone elses back up band [the above vid showed Annie and Bowie with Queen backing them up [Queen tribute show]]. I KNOW he can do it and wil....I am just commenting that it will be interesting watching him travel that road to comfort. The awkwardness of his 'patter' was almost uncomfortable at times, on the tour. He has a really difficult time veering from a script once it is written. I can relate this to what I used to tell students when I was teaching public speaking. I used to warn them never to completely write out a speech...and they lost major points if the did that. Because once it is written out, it is almost impossible to change it up or make it sound natural and spontaneous. I made them put only 1 -3 word prompts for each thought.....only allowed to memorize the first one or two lines to get them going... When Adam did not have a script...such as in the FS and RMT shows, he is much more present. He was even more relaxed at Montreal. I think we will see much more of that if he can keep himself from scripting his next tour. But it will be really, really difficult for him, IMO, as it goes against everything he has ever done..to get up on a stage with no prepared lines. It must be very frightening for him.... He is brave. It will happen...and we will be there to encourage him and reward him....what did Paula say...'fortune rewards the brave....'  eta....please, I am not dissing Adam...I am just saying what I see. I do not mean 'in he zone' as in ....whatever. I am talking about the ability to be comfortable changing things up.....trust the audience to go with him to different places....not to feel he has to keep to the script. This has nothing whatsoever to do with his ability or talents. We know he is witty and spontaneously marvellous in an interview but he has yet to be able to translate that sense on the stage. That is what we have seen glimpses of but what I fully expect to see more of and more of over the next tour. It has been commented on my many many reviewers...I am not dreaming this up. I commiserate entirely with him...perhaps because I am a bit of a control freak myself. I bet that he would agree that this is an area he needs to work on. I am not a troll....surely nobody would think that....This is something he will work on...I just think it will be really wonderful to watch. Imagine if he wove the 'words' we always talk of loving to hear, into his stage act. That is all I am saying.... |
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Post by ksha518 on Aug 17, 2011 0:06:51 GMT -5
I appreciate your post, MWP, but I have always believed it was that deep. ------------------------------------------------------ He has said repeatedly this album is going to be deeply personal and autobiographical. That is NOT easy to do – to make art out of your pain and triumph without it being incredibly self-indulgent. If OOL is any indication, he's struck just the right chord and can make it evocative, deeply personal and yet universal. I'm really late with this comment, but want to say that I think both points of view -- MWP's post that Adam is not saving the world, and SusieFierce's post that it IS that deep -- are true. Of course, as someone who hates confrontation and tries to see all sides, that's easy to say, but I really do believe it. One of the reasons that I think Adam will endure as an artist (making no predictions as to what form that will take) is that he operates and can be appreciated on different levels. He provides superfluous entertainment for those who are looking for that, but he provides material also for those who want to be challenged and provoked into thinking about things in new ways. I think he's very good at taking something serious and boundary-pushing and making it playful and therefore less threatening and more accessible. And I don't think he's reached his stride by any means. I think he will get better and better at this. I LOVED the scarlet *A* on his GNT hat -- yes, he was making a serious statement, but the way in which he made it was seriously playful. I think when he first said "it's not that deep" (and I don't remember the context exactly), my impression is that he was essentially telling people to back off and not put ponderous expectations on him and his art -- he saw his primary goal as entertainer. But I don't think for a moment that he didn't have serious ideas about what he was doing and a desire for his art to have some depth. I like and agree with SusieFierce's comment about Adam#2 and OoL. I think maybe Adam's "realness" mantra for the album is an acknowledgement that it CAN BE that deep and he won't avoid going there, but I have no doubt that fun and joy will always be a part of whatever Adam does as a performer. |
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Post by kapsiz on Aug 17, 2011 0:10:24 GMT -5
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Post by mischa on Aug 17, 2011 0:13:14 GMT -5
Mszue, interesting post. The vid of Annie and Bowie is great and I can understand why you say what you say about Adam. I partially agree, although not completely. I definitely think he injects unscripted moments into a lot of his performances, depending on circumstances. Do you think his Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, and Amsterdam performances of Whole Lotta Love approach this level of in-the-zone performance? Yeah, color me baffled here too. Have you ever seen Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, Russia, Montreal, Amsterdam, Cologne, Foxwoods, L.A. Noka (I'm sure I'm forgetting like a hundred) ... He's not in the moment? I guess my interpretation is entirely different, because I've rarely seen an artist more in the moment than those performances. And less on script. Wow, I couldn't disagree with a point more. Sorry. ETA: Watched the vid and yeah, "Under Pressure" is seriously up there among my favorite songs ever and I think Fantasy Springs WLL kicks this version's ass far as improv goes. Love Annie and Bowie together and wow, Sauli has a strong resemblance to Bowie with that look, particularly in the eyes and angularity of his face. Also loved the George Michael snippets and Brian May and Roger Taylor. I think Adam's comfort level when he is actually performing and improvising is a 10, however, I think the casual banter with the audience is more of a 6. Example, he often asks if we are "having fun," instead of changing his interaction. He seemed much, much more relaxed and chatty at Montreal, more like an 8 on that 10 point scale. None of this is criticism of Adam because I'm one of those who thinks he's perfect no matter what he does. On that subject, I looked at those pictures from VH1 Red Carpet a few pages back and am dumbfounded that anyone can find anything wrong with them, so I guess I am just besotted. With that being said, time, actually past time, to go to bed. Hope there are pics from Brooke's wedding to take the edge off next weekend. This past weekend has me spoiled and entitled. |
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Post by mischa on Aug 17, 2011 0:17:10 GMT -5
ROTFLMFAO! from smeggingnuts ~ Maybe I'm just exhausted from a long day, but that just made me tear up. I must be out of my mind. But I liked it anyway. |
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Post by Q3 on Aug 17, 2011 0:18:19 GMT -5
Mischa, I agree that Adam was much more relaxed and his between song banter in Montreal was about an 8.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 0:19:43 GMT -5
Mischa, I agree that Adam was much more relaxed and his between song banter in Montreal was about an 8. And his banter at Club Nokia was downright comedic! |
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Post by ksha518 on Aug 17, 2011 0:22:43 GMT -5
Mszue, interesting post. The vid of Annie and Bowie is great and I can understand why you say what you say about Adam. I partially agree, although not completely. I definitely think he injects unscripted moments into a lot of his performances, depending on circumstances. Do you think his Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, and Amsterdam performances of Whole Lotta Love approach this level of in-the-zone performance? Well ksha518, this particular vid may or may not be a good example of what I am talking of as I have no idea how much rehearsal etc went into it...but it certainly has a sense of the 'moment' [to quote a certain comedienne we have all just watched with Adam : ]. The performances at Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, and Amsterdam were all less scripted than the GNT, that is true however we know that the 'off script' portion of Amsterdam was under the influence of pot and there is a good possibility that both the other performances were 'spiritually' enhanced! . ---------------------------------------------- The awkwardness of his 'patter' was almost uncomfortable at times, on the tour. He has a really difficult time veering from a script once it is written. I can relate this to what I used to tell students when I was teaching public speaking. I used to warn them never to completely write out a speech...and they lost major points if the did that. Because once it is written out, it is almost impossible to change it up or make it sound natural and spontaneous. Thanks for the response, Mszue. Good point about the "spiritual enhancement" at Amsterdam and possibly the others, haha. I agree about the banter -- I definitely see him less able to improvise with that than with his actual singing. And you're right about how difficult it is to make something pre-written sound natural. Although actors do it all the time! But I think public speaking and concert banter are more similar to each other than either is to acting. |
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]. The performances at Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, and Amsterdam were all less scripted than the GNT, that is true however we know that the 'off script' portion of Amsterdam was under the influence of pot and there is a good possibility that both the other performances were 'spiritually' enhanced! 
. But that is not the most important point...he was still performing HIS music, on HIS terms, by himself [as far as the singing goes... 
