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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 17, 2011 0:25:49 GMT -5
And excuse me, we're comparing a rehearsal jam footage (therefor NOT on stage) to a show that he performed 116 times - and most of us watched multiple performances of it. I would wager that the vast majority of concert patter is similar if you watch every single show. They're not designed or intended for that And I never found it the least bit painful and I've listened to the GNL CD a ridiculous number of times.
ETA: I think the he smoked some weed in Amsterstam rather ludicrous. Taking a hit off a joint (which, btw, wouldn't have taken full affect by that time), may lighten an inhibition or two, but is not going to supplement ability in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 0:29:21 GMT -5
And excuse me, we're comparing a rehearsal jam footage (therefor NOT on stage) to a show that he performed 116 times - and most of us watched multiple performances of it. I would wager that the vast majority of concert patter is similar if you watch every single show. They're not designed or intended for that And I never found it the least bit painful and I've listened to the GNL CD a ridiculous number of times. Funny story about concert banter. When I saw P!NK's show a year and a half ago, I loved her banter and thought how personal and tailored it was for the audience that night. Then I bought her DVD, P!NK in Australia, and cracked up! The banter was exactly, and I mean exactly the same as it was for the LA Staples show!  |
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Post by ksha518 on Aug 17, 2011 0:38:39 GMT -5
And excuse me, we're comparing a rehearsal jam footage (therefor NOT on stage) to a show that he performed 116 times - and most of us watched multiple performances of it. I would wager that the vast majority of concert patter is similar if you watch every single show. They're not designed or intended for that And I never found it the least bit painful and I've listened to the GNL CD a ridiculous number of times. Yeah, it did occur to me watching that (Annie and Bowie) that it wasn't an equivalent situation because it was more informal. I think Adam's improvisational skills as a singer are incredible, but in the past he has definitely been more relaxed as a speaker when he is being interviewed, as opposed to talking to an audience onstage. In Montreal, he was WAY more relaxed than he was during most of the GNT shows. NO DOUBT his skills in this area will continue to evolve. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 17, 2011 0:42:55 GMT -5
And excuse me, we're comparing a rehearsal jam footage (therefor NOT on stage) to a show that he performed 116 times - and most of us watched multiple performances of it. I would wager that the vast majority of concert patter is similar if you watch every single show. They're not designed or intended for that And I never found it the least bit painful and I've listened to the GNL CD a ridiculous number of times. Funny story about concert banter. When I saw P!NK's show a year and a half ago, I loved her banter and thought how personal and tailored it was for the audience that night. Then I bought her DVD, P!NK in Australia, and cracked up! The banter was exactly, and I mean exactly the same as it was for the LA Staples show! LOL! Have you ever seen Chris Rock on a TV promo round? He's considered to be one of the best comedians of his generation (and he is awesome), but when he's on two or three talk shows (and they do usually do that many in a day). He tells the exact same jokes, but they're set up to seem like spontaneous conversation. |
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Post by ksha518 on Aug 17, 2011 0:46:37 GMT -5
And excuse me, we're comparing a rehearsal jam footage (therefor NOT on stage) to a show that he performed 116 times - and most of us watched multiple performances of it. I would wager that the vast majority of concert patter is similar if you watch every single show. They're not designed or intended for that And I never found it the least bit painful and I've listened to the GNL CD a ridiculous number of times. ETA: I think the he smoked some weed in Amsterstam rather ludicrous. Taking a hit off a joint (which, btw, wouldn't have taken full affect by that time), may lighten an inhibition or two, but is not going to supplement ability in any way. I took Mszue's mention of the weed to pertain specifically to reducing inhibitions, not to supplementing ability at all. Clearly Adam's abilities don't need any supplementing!  |
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Post by whatfun on Aug 17, 2011 1:21:49 GMT -5
Mszue, interesting post. The vid of Annie and Bowie is great and I can understand why you say what you say about Adam. I partially agree, although not completely. I definitely think he injects unscripted moments into a lot of his performances, depending on circumstances. Do you think his Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, and Amsterdam performances of Whole Lotta Love approach this level of in-the-zone performance? Well ksha518, this particular vid may or may not be a good example of what I am talking of as I have no idea how much rehearsal etc went into it...but it certainly has a sense of the 'moment' [to quote a certain comedienne we have all just watched with Adam : ]. The performances at Fantasy Springs, Rock My Town, and Amsterdam were all less scripted than the GNT, that is true however we know that the 'off script' portion of Amsterdam was under the influence of pot and there is a good possibility that both the other performances were 'spiritually' enhanced!  . But that is not the most important point...he was still performing HIS music, on HIS terms, by himself [as far as the singing goes... We know he can harmonize and share a stage beautifully when it is prepped or scripted. But can he trust another performer of equal stature...and perform on the fly....someone elses song... someone elses back up band [the above vid showed Annie and Bowie with Queen backing them up [Queen tribute show]]. I KNOW he can do it and wil....I am just commenting that it will be interesting watching him travel that road to comfort. The awkwardness of his 'patter' was almost uncomfortable at times, on the tour. He has a really difficult time veering from a script once it is written. I can relate this to what I used to tell students when I was teaching public speaking. I used to warn them never to completely write out a speech...and they lost major points if the did that. Because once it is written out, it is almost impossible to change it up or make it sound natural and spontaneous. I made them put only 1 -3 word prompts for each thought.....only allowed to memorize the first one or two lines to get them going... When Adam did not have a script...such as in the FS and RMT shows, he is much more present. He was even more relaxed at Montreal. I think we will see much more of that if he can keep himself from scripting his next tour. But it will be really, really difficult for him, IMO, as it goes against everything he has ever done..to get up on a stage with no prepared lines. It must be very frightening for him.... He is brave. It will happen...and we will be there to encourage him and reward him....what did Paula say...'fortune rewards the brave....'  eta....please, I am not dissing Adam...I am just saying what I see. I do not mean 'in he zone' as in ....whatever. I am talking about the ability to be comfortable changing things up.....trust the audience to go with him to different places....not to feel he has to keep to the script. This has nothing whatsoever to do with his ability or talents. We know he is witty and spontaneously marvellous in an interview but he has yet to be able to translate that sense on the stage. That is what we have seen glimpses of but what I fully expect to see more of and more of over the next tour. It has been commented on my many many reviewers...I am not dreaming this up. I commiserate entirely with him...perhaps because I am a bit of a control freak myself. I bet that he would agree that this is an area he needs to work on. I am not a troll....surely nobody would think that....This is something he will work on...I just think it will be really wonderful to watch. Imagine if he wove the 'words' we always talk of loving to hear, into his stage act. That is all I am saying.... LOL mszue, it looks like that ridiculous troll on TWOP is stealing your lines and twisting them into something decidedly more negative. *waves to 1ofthethinker5* I personally think people make way too much of a drink or two in NYC or a drag or two off a joint in Amsterdam. It's funny to joke about, but in reality that kind of thing would have very little effect on Adam. I think people are getting it backwards, those two nights were especially fun for him and he was on an adrenalin high, and indulged a little bit during the concert because he was feeling extra loose. |
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Post by justkaren on Aug 17, 2011 1:38:18 GMT -5
I personally think people make way too much of a drink or two in NYC or a drag or two off a joint in Amsterdam. It's funny to joke about, but in reality that kind of thing would have very little effect on Adam. I think people are getting it backwards, those two nights were especially fun for him and he was on an adrenalin high, and indulged a little bit during the concert because he was feeling extra loose. I agree with you here ... some people have said he was "high" at Fantasy Springs ... but if you look at the videos of him with Isabel immediately before he went on stage, he was definitely not high. And if you watch the Amsterdam joint smoking carefully, you will see that he didn't inhale until the very last puff, and then it was just a tiny one. I have never heard a single person say they saw or smelled any evidence of "mood enhancements" at any of the meet and greets that immediately precede performances. And I've never heard (or seen in videos) any evidence during autograph signings following performances. My personal opinion is that he gets totally amped up on adrenaline and the audience feedback. I think he is way too smart to jeopardize this budding career by indulging before a performance. JMHO. |
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Post by ksha518 on Aug 17, 2011 1:42:09 GMT -5
LOL mszue, it looks like that ridiculous troll on TWOP is stealing your lines and twisting them into something decidedly more negative. *waves to 1ofthethinker5* That's depressing. And annoying. But I guess that's (part of) (AI?) 'fandom'. UGH! As Adam said in that interview where he talked about proudly going to school with a messenger bag and being ridiculed for carrying a purse -- "that's high school". #whyamistillhere?goodnight! |
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Post by ksha518 on Aug 17, 2011 1:54:27 GMT -5
I personally think people make way too much of a drink or two in NYC or a drag or two off a joint in Amsterdam. It's funny to joke about, but in reality that kind of thing would have very little effect on Adam. I think people are getting it backwards, those two nights were especially fun for him and he was on an adrenalin high, and indulged a little bit during the concert because he was feeling extra loose. I agree with you here ... some people have said he was "high" at Fantasy Springs ... but if you look at the videos of him with Isabel immediately before he went on stage, he was definitely not high. And if you watch the Amsterdam joint smoking carefully, you will see that he didn't inhale until the very last puff, and then it was just a tiny one. I have never heard a single person say they saw or smelled any evidence of "mood enhancements" at any of the meet and greets that immediately precede performances. And I've never heard (or seen in videos) any evidence during autograph signings following performances. My personal opinion is that he gets totally amped up on adrenaline and the audience feedback. I think he is way too smart to jeopardize this budding career by indulging before a performance. JMHO. Crap, I can't seem to shut up. But I AM leaving after this! I totally agree with you, JustKaren. Speaking for myself, I joke about the weed in Amsterdam, but in no way do I think he was actually high when he performed. Although maybe a little *relaxed* by the end of the Amsterdam performance. And I NEVER thought he was high at Fantasy Springs, or RMT either. ITA -- I can't see him indulging before a performance at all. I think he does go into another zone when performing -- from adrenaline or emotion, or whatever (FS, RMT, Amsterdam, and 2nd Nokia especially noticeably). (I meant Nokia LA, final GNT show) I'm in complete awe of Adam's performance skills, banter aside. |
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Post by whatfun on Aug 17, 2011 1:56:05 GMT -5
LOL mszue, it looks like that ridiculous troll on TWOP is stealing your lines and twisting them into something decidedly more negative. *waves to 1ofthethinker5* That's depressing. And annoying. But I guess that's (part of) (AI?) 'fandom'. UGH! As Adam said in that interview where he talked about proudly going to school with a messenger bag and being ridiculed for carrying a purse -- "that's high school". #whyamistillhere?goodnight! IKR? Aw I still have sympathy pangs for Adam whenever I think of him telling his messenger bag story in that intervew. He was so cute about it, but oh man that must have just sucked when it happened in high school. Especially after watching his BTM and hearing him talking about trying so hard to fit in. I love that he has gained so much confidence over the years that he no longer gives a shit about fitting in, he happily does his own thing and owns every minute of it. |
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. But that is not the most important point...he was still performing HIS music, on HIS terms, by himself [as far as the singing goes... 
