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Post by wal on Aug 21, 2011 13:18:00 GMT -5
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Post by hoopla1 on Aug 21, 2011 13:18:27 GMT -5
Only on p.4, but have to stop and say to MARIEP:
Tinafea has a beautiful (NOT creepy!) comforter that she had made--Anthro should maybe ask her for info?
Also, one day recently, peeps were posting "waiting songs"...well this one just played on tv music channel we're listening to
"You must have come down from another world baby...
I must have been waiting, waiting for you..."
Man, tell me the lyrics from this song aren't appropriate for AFL Stans! LOVE it!
And Q3 and NoAngel, love your thoughts on Out/Dicklin. Also Susie, really liked the very last sentence of your post!
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Post by Q3 on Aug 21, 2011 13:19:29 GMT -5
ETA: just wanted to say quickly: rabbitrabbit--I totally agree with what you said, and know what you're talking about in general, but I think there's a definite difference between LGBT boards and websites and even magazines which are targeted (more or less exclusively) at the community itself and are something of a haven from a bigoted world, and OUT Magazine, which fashions itself as bigger player, targeting a wider audience. (Indeed, much of Hicklin's false outrage had to do with the fact that he felt his magazine wasn't being treated with the respect that mainstream mags get.) OUT wants, I think, to be in the general discussion in this way, and invites a wider readership specifically by having mainstream stars like Adam Lambert, Adam Levine, and NPH on its covers. So I think we should all feel free to "get in there," so long as, as always, we do it professionally and in a way that doesn't embarrass ourselves and Adam and everyone around us!!! I also think Hicklin's move in 2009 was so bad as to be a personal affront both to all Adam fans and to all journalists and to anyone who asserts the right to live their lives on their own terms, not anybody else's.Very good point. I also was genuinely really, really shocked by the Out letter and spent some composing my comment to Hinklin too. I'm absolutely fine with really serious slights being called out in a professional matter (it's the imagined ones that irk me I guess) and anyway I hope fans won't need to this time. The fact that your email got a response from Hinklin shows that it was professionally toned, well-argued and eloquent and impossible to dismiss. So many interesting points raised in this discussion, and I'd never seen the ontd "insider" take on why Hinklin did it either, that's a new perspective for me. I wonder how Out and the media group that includes the Advocate is doing financially now? LPI Inc. is privately held, so hard to know. But they appear to be doing just fine. Their circulation is stable when most mags are declining. And their online sites have traffic increases. |
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Post by adamme on Aug 21, 2011 13:24:18 GMT -5
A fascinating article on charisma (told from an operatic perspective), but the author really examines what it is and (IMO) why Adam has such a brilliant future. www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/arts/music/what-is-charisma.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1No, unless one of Adam's primary new management team happens to be an attorney. (Many agents are and agents do segue into management.) It's always a risk you take that your client will not be portrayed as you want or expect (happens to politicians all the time), but it is a HUGE risk on the part of the publication to say one thing during negotiations, then turn around and do something completely different. They are gambling with their entire reputation and word travels fast. Other celebs will become wary. I definitely think they approached Adam. And like I said, I hope they groveled. The ONLY way I can imagine Adam's new management approached OUT is that they are crafting a MAJOR media saturation campaign and want him on every outlet possible for the Adam2 launch. They MAY have said to Adam, "We can take the high road, do this and keep our eyes on the bigger prize." (However, I cannot imagine the issue will not be addressed in some way in the interview/article.) I have an interesting question for a Sunday morning. I remember the OUTgate and I was furious at Hicklin as were most of us at the time. I agree with both your posts Q3 and Noangel. And what you wrote, Susiefierce, is really interesting. So....how does this fit with all the fuss re Piers Morgan's interview of Christine McDonnel? I have been 'siding' in my mind with Piers but when I read your post I am rethinking a little....did Piers 'blindside' McDonnel? She sees it that way, of course, but is this situation analogous to what happened to Adam? A big difference, of course, is that Adam was not present to defend himself.....so that is not the point...but could Piers have caused himself any issues by veering 'off point'? IMO - I don't think Pier's blindsided Christine McDonnel. Obviously Piers read her book before he interviewed her and she talked about gay marriage in the book so that's why he asked her that. LOL.. Apparently she didn't think that her religion believes that she mentioned in the book was relevant issues at the time of the interview.  |
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Post by Q3 on Aug 21, 2011 13:32:47 GMT -5
Can someone please explain the term "mainline Protestant" to me? The mainline (mainstream) Protestant religions are the traditional Protestant churches -- as opposed to the now larger Evangelical Protestant groups. Mainline prostents -- Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopal, AME, etc. These religious groups were once the majority of Americans, and now are only about 15%. Mainline comes from the Philadelphia Mainline where I was born -- a group of suburbs west of Philly which were home to mostly mainstream protestants in the late 19th century until today. About 28% of Americans are Evangelical Christians. |
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Post by 4Ms on Aug 21, 2011 13:34:58 GMT -5
I thought Bamafan's was a long body pillow. Am I wrong? Does anyone have the photo? |
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Post by amw on Aug 21, 2011 13:36:50 GMT -5
So to take it down to a basic level, a straight man's biological imperative is to procreate. If a man is not attracted to women and is not driven to procreate, this threatens survival of the species. It seems (again I'm talking biologically) that a straight man's chances of procreating are improved if there are some gay men around, since that means more women are available to the straight man. But if as you say the straight man is somehow deep down afraid that he himself may have homoerotic drives, then he himself becomes a threat, and so he lashes out at potential targets of the unwanted attraction. Hmm. It's a leap, but makes sense. I believe that another factor here is just good ol' fashioned misogyny. The attitude of straight men toward gay men is "They're like women! Ew! Gross!" I think a lot of men really don't like or respect feminine viewpoints or behaviors. They bear animosity toward women, and even more toward men whom they view as being like women. They resent what they see as a betrayal of masculine values. OOOOhhhh....nice insight!!! |
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Post by reihmer on Aug 21, 2011 13:43:17 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, #gokeyisadouche (or somehting like that) even trended on Twitter. I missed out on all the gokey-douche thing. But while rifling through pics I stumbled on this.  I don't know if I should feel sorry for Sarver or just lol at it #confuzzled. |
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Post by amw on Aug 21, 2011 13:44:56 GMT -5
I believe that another factor here is just good ol' fashioned misogyny. The attitude of straight men toward gay men is "They're like women! Ew! Gross!" I think a lot of men really don't like or respect feminine viewpoints or behaviors. They bear animosity toward women, and even more toward men whom they view as being like women. They resent what they see as a betrayal of masculine values. I agree with you here too, Murly...and I wonder if it is the case that there is less 'fear' or angst from straight women over lesbians than straight men over gay men...and why this may be so, if it is so. I am excluding the 'religious' considerations here...I think....or is there any differences between genders here too?? interesting.... Could it be that until the 2nd wave feminist movement, women could 'pass' more easily and stay 'in the closet' because there was less feminine expectation of sexual pleasure so easier to accept one's lot in life, so to speak? There is a book, a really good one on this subject. Odd Girls and Twilight Lovers - A History of Lesbianism in America Check it out |
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 21, 2011 13:55:02 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, #gokeyisadouche (or somehting like that) even trended on Twitter. I missed out on all the gokey-douche thing. But while rifling through pics I stumbled on this. I don't know if I should feel sorry for Sarver or just lol at it #confuzzled. "Gokeback Mountain"  Savvy, your church sounds lovely. My mom is very involved in her church as well and they do many amazing things. It's just so heartbreaking when a strident minority evoke "their God" and they then overshadow and undermine the beauty and benefit of good work being done by every group. In the same way that a handful of fundamentalist terrorists can make people fear or discriminate against Muslims and dismiss the fact that there are more than a billion Muslims in the world. @blakkroxx is an Australian fan who wrote this open letter to Michelle Bachmann based on what Bachmann has said in the past. Many people have RTed it and she has some great points: kanvaso.com/show/fe6sHere was a particularly lovely response that starts out, "I'll read this every time I get exhausted from my battle against haters ..." kanvaso.com/show/fuLW |
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