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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Aug 27, 2011 9:45:42 GMT -5
Hey, Sauli's look is straight out of Tom of Finland! I have noticed Tom's influence occasionally on Adam's fashions but Sauli is making a great visual joke here. I wrote a short essay about Tom of Finland on ALFC way back in January before I even knew about Sauli. Check it out if you're interested:
Tom of Finland and the Image of Adam LambertAdam’s look and style evolves and changes all the time. So if you don’t like one of his looks, just wait a week – he’ll be on to something else new and fresh. In some of his performances and photoshoots, I’ve been interested to see him drawing on the gay iconography of Tom of Finland. Tom was a Finnish artist and cartoonist who was active from the 1950s through the 1970s, and who had a major impact on gay culture and fashion. Read more adamlambertfans.com/users/juniemoon/blogs/770281Hey juniemoon - Can you please also repost this in the Salon section of ATOP? I'm on a slow machine today and it it takes forever to see anything on ALF. |
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Post by Q3 on Aug 27, 2011 9:51:28 GMT -5
With the notable exception of 19 Recordings and SYCO products, the usual sequence is that there is a basic plan, the artist completes the album and submits it, the label accepts it pays the remaining advance, then the official release date is set.
I think that being a perfectionist is one of Adam's strengths as an artist and not a weakness. He is willing to push himself to continue to strive to get better and better. That is what makes a great artist -- that desire to push the boundaries and not accept "good enough".
Adam seems to be very confident about the Adam #2 music -- proud and sure it is good. I see no self-doubt in any of his public statements.
It took extreme self-confidence for him to push back on RCA's original desire that he record while he was in Europe for a Spring 2011 release.
It takes a lot of self-awareness and personal strength to work to get something perfect when people around you are saying how great something is, to continue to push to make it the best he can.
And it takes a lot of self-confidence to push collaborators to do it again.
I see Adam as completely in control of what he is doing and nothing indicates he is not on track to wrap production in October.
And while I know we have all watched artists never finish projects while they strive to make it "perfect", that does not appear to be with Adam is doing. He is a good business person and seems to remember the commercial and marketing imperatives -- it has to be sold.
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As far as I can tell, RCA and Adam are getting along fine. Both sides of this deal seem happy.
Separate from Adam and RCA ---- Labels do not have the power to force a release date. They can decide not to pay an artist the rest of the advance (usually 50% is paid on delivery and acceptance of the final product.) They can decide not to release the album (labels rarely do this.) They can stop paying for production costs and studio time (usually what they do.) But the artist has some rights and one of them is to decide when they are done.
Here is an explanation of "Delivery" from a recording contract legal site:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 9:55:32 GMT -5
Hey, Sauli's look is straight out of Tom of Finland! I have noticed Tom's influence occasionally on Adam's fashions but Sauli is making a great visual joke here. I wrote a short essay about Tom of Finland on ALFC way back in January before I even knew about Sauli. Check it out if you're interested:
Tom of Finland and the Image of Adam LambertAdam’s look and style evolves and changes all the time. So if you don’t like one of his looks, just wait a week – he’ll be on to something else new and fresh. In some of his performances and photoshoots, I’ve been interested to see him drawing on the gay iconography of Tom of Finland. Tom was a Finnish artist and cartoonist who was active from the 1950s through the 1970s, and who had a major impact on gay culture and fashion. Read more adamlambertfans.com/users/juniemoon/blogs/770281Hey juniemoon - Can you please also repost this in the Salon section of ATOP? I'm on a slow machine today and it it takes forever to see anything on ALF. Done!  atop.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=inspired&thread=61&page=1 |
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Post by Q3 on Aug 27, 2011 10:08:44 GMT -5
Is Wikipedia wrong then for Adele's 21? They say it was released Jan 21 in the UK and February 22 in the US. You really don't think it would be a concern if the single was released in October and the album didn't come out for 3 or 4 months after that? Even worse is that the charts get all messed up in December, so if it did well and peaked in November or early December it would be dropping fast before the album was released. I just can't see RCA thinking that is a good scenario - they may not be able to do much until they get the album from Adam, but I would bet they can do a LOT of pushing to get it from him in time. I will be SHOCKED if the album isn't released sometime in November or the 1st week of December at the latest. My only point was November is a good time to release and has the biggest TOTAL music sales, but that release timing is just one factor -- usually it is about the music and getting that music noticed. I expect Adam #2 will be released in Q4 2011 but nothing would shock me. On Adele's "21" -- sorry Jan 19, 2011 is the Japan release date. I will note my comment. You are right was Feb 22, 2011 in US. Still same point -- biggest album of the year was released in Q1. Rolling in the Deep -- released (US) 11/30/10 21 -- released (US) 2/22/11 2 to 2-1/2 months between single and album is pretty typical ....Lady Gaga BTW single - 2/11/11 BTW album - 5/32/11 But that is if the label is using US Broadcast Radio as main promotional channel. Adam's first album lead promo was TV and Internet focused. Radio was used as a trailing promo media. If they do that again, and they could, then they would only want about 4-6 weeks between single release to radio and album release. We just do not know what kind of promotion is in the works. Or at least I do not know. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 10:10:16 GMT -5
Was the consensus on this that Adam can be seen in the sunglasses? Did anyone lighten it up to see if that is possible? I do not have those skills! ETA: Is anyone as old as me and thinking of that song, "What's behind the green door." ;D  Sauli's new facebook profile picture |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 10:13:35 GMT -5
I don't think we should ever compare things to Adele or this album. She is an anomoay! This album is an anomaly! I doubt that even Adele will ever achieve this success with an album again!
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Post by tigerlily on Aug 27, 2011 10:13:43 GMT -5
Have to agree, Susie. I think the album is done and accepted and just the final tweeking is being worked on, whatever that is. Adam may be recording certain vocals, but that's pretty common, I think. Need Kanadie's expertise here. Also, if Adam says the single in about 8 weeks, then they know the single. If they know the single then I say they know the album. He knows 12 tracks plus a deluxe version. We know he had a conference call, with RCA/Sony recently. Don't we also know he visited RCA while in NYC? Maybe I imgained that? LOL! "Release date is not set" to me is semantics. IMO, I don't think that means they don't have a release date. When RCA is within 2 weeks of the single, they will announce the dates. That's the way they've been doing it and unless new management changes their patterns, I see no reason why Adam's announcement will not be done the same way. I agree with you and Susie, the album is done and the tracks are selected. Adam did say he would pick the single once the album was complete. TBD means TBD, but that could still mean "sometime in November". I believe Adam knows the general time frame for the release, but an exact date is still pending. RCA could be waiting to see what big names are releasing at what times in November. The "insider" at Pulse has been pretty darn accurate, so I'm going with the hope that he really "knows things" and he still says sometime in November. Adele is an anomaly. It is the record of the decade. You can't really compare anyone to her at this time. Eminen is...well, Eminen. It is always about timing and calenders. There are certain times of the year that are better than others for most artists, unless you are Gaga, Eminem, Taylor Swift, etc. The exception is with those who get radio hit after radio hit in the Top 10, like Bruno or Katy Perry. Their album sales didn't start out so great, but picked up and became steady after a couple of HUGE radio hits. IMO, Adam needs good reviews, a couple of radio hits and a November-early December album release if we want to see numbers ANYWHERE in the ballpark of his first album numbers. mys*&@^#r: LOL- I was just posting the exact same thing about Adele!  |
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 27, 2011 10:16:54 GMT -5
Have to agree, Susie. I think the album is done and accepted and just the final tweeking is being worked on, whatever that is. Adam may be recording certain vocals, but that's pretty common, I think. Need Kanadie's expertise here. Also, if Adam says the single in about 8 weeks, then they know the single. If they know the single then I say they know the album. He knows 12 tracks plus a deluxe version. We know he had a conference call, with RCA/Sony recently. Don't we also know he visited RCA while in NYC? Maybe I imgained that? LOL! "Release date is not set" to me is semantics. IMO, I don't think that means they don't have a release date. When RCA is within 2 weeks of the single, they will announce the dates. That's the way they've been doing it and unless new management changes their patterns, I see no reason why Adam's announcement will not be done the same way. Right. The fact that he said definitively, "Twelve tracks," means those 12 tracks are final. And he said weeks ago the single was between a couple of choices, so they knew then what was in contention to be a single. So they certainly know enough to set a release date, because the rest would be doing the final polishing (mastering?) and maybe re-recording a few things. How can that not be done enough to set a date? Adam has kept it very secret up until now and my concern with is lack of a final release date and title, etc. is that we're going to be getting Fall Preview stories coming fast and furious and if he isn't in position because of the  sekricy , they will miss out on this key coverage. |
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Post by Q3 on Aug 27, 2011 10:21:36 GMT -5
I don't think we should ever compare things to Adele or this album. She is an anomoay! This album is an anomaly! I doubt that even Adele will ever achieve this success with an album again! Yes, that album hit the right spot for the market -- and is one of my favs of the year. Interestingly, it was not a universal critics favorite. The Metacritic score was only 76 -- which really surprised me. I'm glad I do not pay much attention to critics. My point was simply that 3rd week and 4th week of November are great release weeks but that is not essential for success. Although I would love to see Adam with Thanksgiving week release date, it doesn't mean an album will sell and there are other ways to be successful. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 10:21:54 GMT -5
I know! How funny that we both picked the word "anomaly!" But that's the way I see this album. "Album of the decade" is another good description! And like you said, Eminem is Eminem!  |
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