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Post by melliemom on Feb 22, 2011 17:16:20 GMT -5
That's what I've always thought, too, cookie. I know Adam doesn't always mean it this way, but when I think of his "lifestyle" it makes me think of his clothes, his make-up, his hair, his rock n roll style. I never think of any of it as gay. I still wonder why people like Jake Shears are so well loved (as opposed to Adam,) in the gay community, and he is, IMO, way more flamboyant than Adam. And why is it OK for Billie of Green Day to wear heavy black eye liner, with no criticism? Why doesn't anyone call Matt Bellamy, of Muse, "too flamboyant" for wearing an entire suit that is sliver and sparkly?? Oh, and why does the gay community actually believe that Gaga is Bi? :  "Things that make me go Hmmm?" IMO Adam dared to call the gay community' OUT' for their own bigotry and lack of acceptance of diversity . Some want cookie cutter gays so they will be more accepted in the straight world. The above stars don't seem to make waves or garner as much attention as Adam,i.e.kissing on stage&being highly sexual.They don't want the gay community to be viewed as sexually threatening. To sum up,LOL Adam has a BIG personality and he doesn't take shit . |
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Post by JazzRocks on Feb 22, 2011 17:16:51 GMT -5
I still wonder why people like Jake Shears are so well loved (as opposed to Adam,) in the gay community, and he is, IMO, way more flamboyant than Adam. And why is it OK for Billie of Green Day to wear heavy black eye liner, with no criticism? Why doesn't anyone call Matt Bellamy, of Muse, "too flamboyant" for wearing an entire suit that is sliver and sparkly?? Oh, and why does the gay community actually believe that Gaga is Bi? : "Things that make me go Hmmm?" IKR? Very very odd. Unless it's the Idol tag that adds to his lack of credibility with them? BTW - I never go to ALF, but this discussion over there is very worthwhile. Thanks to rabbitrabbit (I think) for linking. adamlambertfans.com/forum/all_about_adam/185781/page/1 |
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Post by seashell on Feb 22, 2011 17:17:03 GMT -5
That's what I've always thought, too, cookie. I know Adam doesn't always mean it this way, but when I think of his "lifestyle" it makes me think of his clothes, his make-up, his hair, his rock n roll style. I never think of any of it as gay. I still wonder why people like Jake Shears are so well loved (as opposed to Adam,) in the gay community, and he is, IMO, way more flamboyant than Adam. And why is it OK for Billie of Green Day to wear heavy black eye liner, with no criticism? Why doesn't anyone call Matt Bellamy, of Muse, "too flamboyant" for wearing an entire suit that is sliver and sparkly?? Oh, and why does the gay community actually believe that Gaga is Bi? : "Things that make me go Hmmm?" We are wondering about many of the same things. I wonder if the difference between Adam and Jake Shears is that The Scissor Sister's music is considered alternative rather than mainstream/pop and it gets him another kind of cred. Probably closer to the truth .. but, it really makes you wonder. ??? ETA... or what melliemom said above me.. |
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Post by Zinnia on Feb 22, 2011 17:31:36 GMT -5
Thank you ladies for the interesting discussions, cookies and all :D.
Lot's of things to ponder about. For me nor my friends homosexuality is no big issue and it is sort of very weird to see through your posts what it can be.
When the news broke about that AMA performance I was rather WHAAAT? - not for the act but for the reaction it brought. I guess I'm strange :D /live in a different world :D.
(I'm straight myself but I have friends and acquintances who are gay.)
Good Night to everyone!
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Post by lilly on Feb 22, 2011 17:38:40 GMT -5
of topic but interesting
RL has been a bitch recently ,so i have not had the oportunity to be here as often as i would like,k finally managed to register today ,then as i am tech chalenged (and cant spell),it means i have to learn how to post all over again(but thank u q3 ) for the oportunity,
now to the reason for my post
just been informed i will be working out of glasgow for the first 2 weeks in march(really looking forward to that),so i went off to see what excitement i could find .
looked up live nation ,and at the o2 ,the same venue GNT came to ,on the 11 march ,bruno mars is performing (yes i did).
i just thought it was very strange this concert was not sold out as bruno has had A LOT of radio play here in the UK
JESSIE J is sold out for the 31 march
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Post by smokeyvera on Feb 22, 2011 17:49:39 GMT -5
That's what I've always thought, too, cookie. I know Adam doesn't always mean it this way, but when I think of his "lifestyle" it makes me think of his clothes, his make-up, his hair, his rock n roll style. I never think of any of it as gay. I still wonder why people like Jake Shears are so well loved (as opposed to Adam,) in the gay community, and he is, IMO, way more flamboyant than Adam. And why is it OK for Billie of Green Day to wear heavy black eye liner, with no criticism? Why doesn't anyone call Matt Bellamy, of Muse, "too flamboyant" for wearing an entire suit that is sliver and sparkly?? Oh, and why does the gay community actually believe that Gaga is Bi? : "Things that make me go Hmmm?" Adam is just so gorgeous and sexy and it is threatening for many peeps. |
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Post by JazzRocks on Feb 22, 2011 17:57:53 GMT -5
Another reason might be that perhaps Jake Shears' straight female fans are not spamming gay websites? Maybe they don't find Adam physically attractive? (If THAT'S true they're nutso.) We could go on guessing and I fear we'll never know the true reason. No sense....  ETA: Zinnia - Finland is so evolved. Jealous!! |
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Post by aspen on Feb 22, 2011 18:05:16 GMT -5
That's what I've always thought, too, cookie. I know Adam doesn't always mean it this way, but when I think of his "lifestyle" it makes me think of his clothes, his make-up, his hair, his rock n roll style. I never think of any of it as gay. I still wonder why people like Jake Shears are so well loved (as opposed to Adam,) in the gay community, and he is, IMO, way more flamboyant than Adam. And why is it OK for Billie of Green Day to wear heavy black eye liner, with no criticism? Why doesn't anyone call Matt Bellamy, of Muse, "too flamboyant" for wearing an entire suit that is sliver and sparkly?? Oh, and why does the gay community actually believe that Gaga is Bi? : "Things that make me go Hmmm?" Adam is just so gorgeous and sexy and it is threatening for many peeps. I think this is a big part of it, along with how comfortable he is with himself and the variety of friends and fans he has acquired, and how outspoken, but funny, he is when someone pushes him about being this or that instead of who he is. There are so many people in this world who are not happy unless they can feel persecuted or angst about everything and when they come in contact with someone who doesn't, they resent it. From the beginning when Adam was questioned about what if he or his music turned off a listener, he immediately said they should buy someone else's music. I loved the answer, but there are people who need to be sucked up to and feel they are in control, just like those who think they have a right to an opinion about who Adam dates or what he wears or they will defect. Let them, they are more trouble than they are worth and if they don't defect today, it will be tomorrow over something else. Those are the people yesterday's Twitter rant was directed at, and good riddance. |
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Post by midwifespal on Feb 22, 2011 18:45:59 GMT -5
Thank you ladies for the interesting discussions, cookies and all :D. Lot's of things to ponder about. For me nor my friends homosexuality is no big issue and it is sort of very weird to see through your posts what it can be. When the news broke about that AMA performance I was rather WHAAAT? - not for the act but for the reaction it brought. I guess I'm strange :D /live in a different world :D. (I'm straight myself but I have friends and acquintances who are gay.) Good Night to everyone! Zinnia--While I don't want to downplay US regressiveness on this issue (we have a long way to go) I do want to say that amongst my friends, in my social circle, homosexuality isn't an issue either, and I was also shocked at the response to the Tommy kiss at the AMAs. (Frankly, I think that while the media latched on to that as a handy example of what was shocking about the peformance, the gut shock reaction of many American viewers had as much to do with the rest of the overtly sexual, s&m themed performance as with anything else--the fact that Adam was gay just made it worse, but Americans are perfectly capable of being prudes about any kind of sex.) I also thought it was inconceivable that the pronoun in Fever would be a problem with radio PDs--shows you what I know, in my happy, sheltered little progressive world here in Austin. So I guess what I'm saying is basically this is an incredibly bifurcated country right now, with vast gaps in attitude depending on where you are and who you hang out with. I think Adam was also somewhat shocked by the wider response to (and fascination with) his gayness--in the circles in which he had been spinning in LA for the past ten years it really wasn't an issue either. I can tell you that resistance to Adam Lambert in my circles has absolutely nothing to do with his being gay and absolutely everything to do with his being from American Idol. He's too mainstream, somehow, for my friends : . SO there you go. ETA: I suspect this last point also has a little bit to do with why the gay community (and other "alternative" communities) have been more welcoming towards, say, Jake Shears, than towards Adam. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2011 18:47:46 GMT -5
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SO every time Adam uses a word like lifestyle or preference I stuff down the knee-reaction cringe that my liberal, politically-attuned world has trained me to feel, and instead smile at it as a celebration of his choices: to shape his life and his persona exactly as he wants them, to love whomever he wants to love for the right, personal reasons, to escape any boxes whatsoever.
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Also, not intended as a standard complaint against "PC-ness"--I think a lot of liberals have forgotten that that sneering term, "PC," was first used by conservatives to undercut a very reasonable liberal insistence on cleaning up some derogatory language and humor that is still too present in our public discussions. SO in most cases I'm all for being "PC!" [/quote]
Thank you for sharing your thoughts - I really enjoy them.
I remember when I first heard Adam say something like "preference," I thought: "Uh-oh! Adam's gonna hear about that"! I wondered, how could he not "know" that that's not what you're "supposed" to say?! Later, I thought - omg - he's just so busy living his life and doing his thing, he's not keeping tabs on that (are we saying "gay" or "homosexual"? etc. etc .), which is . . . beautiful! and the whole point anyway- for everyone to just be able to live their life!
Now, I see, too, the rationale for thinking his word choices are considered and very purposeful!
I read once that each and every individual has his/her own unique sexuality - just as there are no two fingerprints, two faces, two minds, two bodies, etc. exactly alike. That thought's always made sense to me in my own life and stays with me. (And it reminds me of Adam talking about relationships in the Out interview Hoopla linked to this morning: "I think we put all these expectations on relationships and create this idea of, oh, this is how it’s supposed to be, because this is what all these other relationships that I see, that’s how they are. I think it’s really hard but really necessary to be like, but what are my needs? And what are your needs?" I love that intellectual/emotional curiosity that Adam has and that is probably overall my favorite interview he did. The irony that that editor burned him.)
Another thing Adam said once that surprised me was when he commented that if someone was somewhere that they couldn't be themselves they should . . . go somewhere where they could be. And I thought, "Hm, well, is that like an 'easy for you to say' thing, being raised, as you were, pretty much perfectly and born with great talent? But then, when I thought about it, no - it wasn't 'easy for him to say' because, in fact, he did that. At 18 - just 18! - he took that cruise ship job so he could perform and gain experiences. He was a "babe," but already he was showing that strength of character that defines him. And it follows the theme, one of his themes, that in life you have to risks to try to get what you want, take action to make it happen, make it better, etc. etc.
Oh, I'm long-winded today/tonite - sorry. That Adam/Jake kiss is ridiculously sexy, by the way.
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