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Post by Q3 on Sept 20, 2011 23:58:21 GMT -5
Tigerlily -- ITA everything can change on an album.
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Post by virg1877 on Sept 20, 2011 23:59:24 GMT -5
Yes! Thank you! And you too, Q3!  YW! and... Yay me! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 0:03:19 GMT -5
I kind of got the impression, from the way Rico phrased it, that this song is not a co-write. But we won't know until we know! ;D
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Post by rihannsu on Sept 21, 2011 0:17:35 GMT -5
I kind of got the impression, from the way Rico phrased it, that this song is not a co-write. But we won't know until we know! ;D Yes, but even if it is not a co-write he did say it was written FOR Adam so at least it is not someone else' leftovers. The biggest problem with the songs on FYE were in adapting them to Adam. Some adapted better than others, some had changes made to fit them to Adam. Adam commented that IIHY came about because he liked working with Max so much on WWFM that he asked if they could get another track from Max. The song was one that was already written but Max reworked the lyrics for Adam, hence the black color liner line. Adam made WWFM and IIHY work for him because he is a master at selling a song but with songs that are written specifically for him from the beginning that will be a lot easier. Adam has also said that he has to be able to relate to a song or he wouldn't choose to sing it. As long as he feels it to be authentic to him and it's a great song then it would be ridiculous to pass it up. Just like he thought passing on doing Time for Miracles would have been ridiculous even though the song didn't necessarily fit with where he wanted to go, the opportunity was important. If he gets a smash song from a hit maker and it's a song he can relate to he's not such a snob that he'd pass on it just because he didn't write it. Also I don't think he'd push for a co-write unless he did something significant. He never seemed to really claim the co-write on PYU which I took as an indication that he didn't think his contribution was significant. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Sept 21, 2011 0:19:37 GMT -5
OMG so much to flail about today I don't even know where to start! I've berted so hard it hurts but it's a good pain, ya know? ;D Just a thought about the whole gay/post-gay discussion. I didn't see it brought up but it makes me think of feminism/post-feminism and I think there are many good parallels to be found. Post-feminists consider themselves to have moved beyond stereotypical gender roles and simply want to BE. They don't want to be forever battling with men but rather simply co-exist on an equal level. They don't always seem to express appreciation for the tough fights that their predecessors have fought, which pisses off the feminists of that era. Anyway, I do think Adam is post-gay and I like that he identifies with that term. I also think it's all contextual, which the UD does imply. It's a priviledge to be post-gay in a setting where there are many others who are similarly evolved. Post-gay is possible in Weho, for example, and other liberal enclaves. It's not so possible in more conservative parts of the U.S. And completely impossible in a places in the world where homosexuality is crime, I'd think. I'd really like to hear Adam say more about this. Hopefully a smart interviewer delves into this with him sometime this era. Watching Adam's evolution is a fascinating thing. Yes, it's all very interesting and I do think it likely varies individual social group to individual social group. We've all heard Adam and his friends converse with one another on Twitter, etc. and they have a language all their own that likely stemmed from your basic WeHo, music industry, theater, underground areas in which they hang out, but when they're all together, random had-to-be-there catchphrases catch on. When I was a teenager in the 80s, we used to mock the slang of the '70s and would occasionally use outdated terms very tongue-in-cheek. Except, before long, they worked their way into our vernacular. What started out as sarcasm became habitual. Someone mentioned the term "the gays" upthread and yes, of course, that is derogatory, but I notice Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert often use it when mocking the ultra conservatives. As a matter of fact, Stewart did a bit recently referring to "The Poors" (again, in the satirical voice that is mimicking those who would deride them), but that's how it starts. And people from the outside may not realize you only ever starting using it for the ironic comic value. I think Kathy Griffin's use of "the gays" and "my gays" is deliberately ironic (though sincerely affectionate), but also designed to get a rise out of people (which is what she does). Look how quickly our language evolves around here. I actually sometimes feel like I'm speaking two different languages here and on Twitter. The in-jokes, the plays on words, the slang terms, develop and spread like wildfire. And yes, some start out completely tongue-in-cheek, but before long, they become totally integrated. Motherfucking beast will be as commonplace as bert in a week or so. Sometimes I wonder if my sister or my mom was dropped into a room of Adam fans, would they have any fucking idea what we were talking about? |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Sept 21, 2011 0:29:52 GMT -5
OMG so much to flail about today I don't even know where to start! I've berted so hard it hurts but it's a good pain, ya know? ;D Just a thought about the whole gay/post-gay discussion. I didn't see it brought up but it makes me think of feminism/post-feminism and I think there are many good parallels to be found. Post-feminists consider themselves to have moved beyond stereotypical gender roles and simply want to BE. They don't want to be forever battling with men but rather simply co-exist on an equal level. They don't always seem to express appreciation for the tough fights that their predecessors have fought, which pisses off the feminists of that era. Anyway, I do think Adam is post-gay and I like that he identifies with that term. I also think it's all contextual, which the UD does imply. It's a priviledge to be post-gay in a setting where there are many others who are similarly evolved. Post-gay is possible in Weho, for example, and other liberal enclaves. It's not so possible in more conservative parts of the U.S. And completely impossible in a places in the world where homosexuality is crime, I'd think. I'd really like to hear Adam say more about this. Hopefully a smart interviewer delves into this with him sometime this era. Watching Adam's evolution is a fascinating thing. I wonder, and I feel like I need to read more. I have always thought of post-feminist as a negative, a backlash against feminism disguised as a "we're beyond all that now" argument news.change.org/stories/is-feminism-dead-an-overview-of-post-feminismpost-gay on the other hand, from the little I've read (feel free to correct me!) seems to be more about moving in ever expansive spaces. post-gay isn't closeted or ghetto-ized and doesn't denigrate or diminish the history of the gay movement. However, it's still controversial for maybe forgetting a bit to quickly? These paired articles: www.thegridto.com/city/sexuality/dawn-of-a-new-gay/and based on vitrolic reader response: www.thegridto.com/city/sexuality/why-we-published-%E2%80%9Cdawn-of-a-new-gay%E2%80%9D/kinda give more insight. Also: blogs.sfweekly.com/exhibitionist/2011/08/the_problem_with_post-gay.phpETA: midwivespal, I always welcome late flail and comments about previously discussed stuff because I feel like I'm often one of the last posters on a thread while everyone else has moved on lol! |
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Post by seoulmate on Sept 21, 2011 0:31:09 GMT -5
 So, susie... what's your language on twitter??? Dying to know!! ;D
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Post by SusieFierce on Sept 21, 2011 0:38:59 GMT -5
My gut is he would work on the collaboration, meaning he would ask to be able to give input even if Rico originally wrote the song with Adam in mind. This late in the game, it would seem, to me, that he would want to keep it consistent with the thread he already has established for consistency with the voice and feel of the entire album, so as not to stick out like a sore thumb as TfM did on FYE. (Not that I don't like the song, but it is out of place even in a very diverse album.)
I'm only going from memory of interviews I've heard and read, but I don't think it's really a matter of "pushing for a co-write." IIRC, the specifics set forth by ASCAP are pretty cut and dry. If you contribute an original line or verse, you have a co-write. You may be listed far down in the contributors, but legally, you are still credited. Adam didn't talk a lot about PUU in any capacity, so I don't know how much personal ownership he takes in it, but he does have an official co-write regardless.
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Post by gelly14 on Sept 21, 2011 0:42:32 GMT -5
Just sharing............Adam makes me happy, Adam singing makes me very happy, know all of you makes me FEEL LOVED!! Just sharing .... (scroll time........not Adam) just time to unwind and share :D I loved Enya thank you for the memories!! And thank you once again for your kind words! You ALWAYS come at Atop looking soooo sweet thank you!  |
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Post by gelly14 on Sept 21, 2011 0:43:55 GMT -5
I would like to make a suggestion. After perusing one of the Adommy shipper's twitter messages it is quite obvious to me that every time people talk about them and how crazy they are they just eat it up like candy. They live for this. It is as much entertainment to them as their fantasies are. They amp up the cray specifically to get the rest of us going so they can watch the fallout. Talking about them is the same as feeding the trolls on message boards. Nothing any of us say is going to stop them, and Adam and Tommy are quite aware of them and as Adam stated today it is not worth giving energy to them or their ideas. I strongly suggest that we stop talking about them, stop reading their feeds and reporting on their insanity and most of all stop worrying about how Adam feels because his tweet today shows that he is over it and chooses not to give it any attention. I truly believe that we should follow suit. Even when they are not engaged directly they know and keep track of those who talk about them and the derive a lot of pleasure from watching people go on about them. Much in the same way that we stopped giving hits to negative articles and stopped arguing with Moser, we really need to just quit talking about the cray because that only gives them power. The crazies will always be with us just like Westboro Batshit Crazy church and the more attention we give them the stronger they get. Ignore the darkness and just concentrate on increasing the light.Anyway that's my personal goal for my future Adam stanning. I don't intend to waste energy pointing fingers at crazy people.  |
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