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Post by burrito on Sept 21, 2011 22:38:59 GMT -5
LOL! It did take me a minute to process that. And I love wal too. and floors and ceilings.  Suddenly I can imagine you and Adam Lambert in a room with a bottle of tequila. It would be 'totes' hilarious. Just let me be there to cut the limes. Heh heh. That's my fantasy and you can't have it. Oh wait, I'm actually a generous soul, you CAN cut the limes. But your involvement ends there, capiche? |
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Post by tigerlily on Sept 21, 2011 22:42:42 GMT -5
Burrito, I totally have a Pavlovian response to the "AMA POV" in your post... so, sorry for not being able to stop myself in writing the same words for the millionth time: The AMA performance made Adam into an international, world wide star. Without it - the international success would not have been the same. Loosing some of the USA sales was more than worth it. The people he lost would've gotten "disappointed" in him sooner or later anyway. Yeah, well, look at where you're from (New York) and where I'm from (Taco Bell in Podunk, OK). Naturally our perspectives are different.  I've read that meme before, that Adam gained international fame because of the AMA's, but I don't know how true that is. I'd like to believe he'd have gained it with a performance that wowed the US audience at the same time. We'll never know. All I do know is I want him to have as much success in the US as he does internationally and to do that he has to appeal to the masses, which in my dumb Okie opinion is not the east coast, or the west coast, but middle conservative America. I could be wrong though. I mean I've never claimed to be Einstein. Don't get me wrong, because I also want Adam to be a huge success in the US, but Adam probably is going to have a few problems appealing to some groups of people in the US. In fact, some of the most successful artists in the US at this time do not appeal to the masses. Most of the pop stars out there don't appeal to everyone. Adam is no different. BTW, I live in the heart of conservative America- smack dab in the middle of the Bible Belt.  I'm going to have to agree with the viewpoint that the AMAs ended up doing Adam more good than harm.
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Post by rihannsu on Sept 21, 2011 22:46:08 GMT -5
Just remember people that Gaga didn't really break in the US until AFTER she was successful internationally. Until then she was practically a joke here. Once she was a hit everywhere else the media here had to take her seriously and the public followed.
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Post by LindaG23 on Sept 21, 2011 22:48:49 GMT -5
Suddenly I can imagine you and Adam Lambert in a room with a bottle of tequila. It would be 'totes' hilarious. Just let me be there to cut the limes. Heh heh. That's my fantasy and you can't have it. Oh wait, I'm actually a generous soul, you CAN cut the limes. But your involvement ends there, capiche? Capisco - but I gotta tell you, I have a spy cam! I would be hounded out of fandom if I didn't produce at least one pic. 8-) |
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Post by cassie on Sept 21, 2011 22:49:00 GMT -5
 Even tho so much time has passed since the AMA's, I still get that sick feeling just remembering that performance. :-/ He said he cried after that. So did I. Same here.  Me, too. Did the AMAs cost Adam fans and fame in the US? Was the performance key to his international fame? It will be interesting to read Adam's autobiography in 10-20 years (hope I"m still around then) and see how the AMAs fit. What positive things came out of it that I can see now? 1. Got him international notice, for sure. 2. A huge life lesson for Adam about spontaneity vs. consistency, the Zodiac show vs. "middle America", being an artist vs. being accepted, dealing with TPTB, the media, the networks, the importance of keeping the emotions of the moment from interfering with the quality of one's performance (talking about the sub-par singing that night), the importance of undying fan support in rough times, and probably a dozen other lessons. Probably good to learn them so soon, so they can be applied thruout his career. 3. conversations thruout the fandom and beyond about the double-standards in our society 4. pushing the envelope with people's comfort with an openly sexual gay guy We can't know how Adam's career would have been different if he'd released WWFM first and performed that instead of the darkly sexual, provocative FYE ---- even without the gay kiss. But, there is no question that the AMAs had some positive outcomes as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 22:59:22 GMT -5
I’ve never voiced an opinion on the AMAs. I watched that night standing in the middle of the room with my hands clutched and was moaning a no.no.no. Not because it wasn’t the Adam I had seen on Idol because you certainly saw ADAM on the idol tour, but because it just looked like a hot mess to me. I still think that it happened the way it did because of the hype that the network did before the show. I remember thinking “he isn’t a freak show you know.” You combine that with the acts before him and maybe we should be discussing why he was so tame!!! I, who know nothing about the music business, think that he gained more than he lost. It must have been the worst time of his life to get to where he was and wonder if he had just lost it all and I think with a lesser man that might have been the case.
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Post by burrito on Sept 21, 2011 22:59:49 GMT -5
Yeah, well, look at where you're from (New York) and where I'm from (Taco Bell in Podunk, OK). Naturally our perspectives are different. I've read that meme before, that Adam gained international fame because of the AMA's, but I don't know how true that is. I'd like to believe he'd have gained it with a performance that wowed the US audience at the same time. We'll never know. All I do know is I want him to have as much success in the US as he does internationally and to do that he has to appeal to the masses, which in my dumb Okie opinion is not the east coast, or the west coast, but middle conservative America. I could be wrong though. I mean I've never claimed to be Einstein. Don't get me wrong, because I also want Adam to be a huge success in the US, but Adam probably is going to have a few problems appealing to some groups of people in the US. In fact, some of the most successful artists in the US at this time do not appeal to the masses. Most of the pop stars out there don't appeal to everyone. Adam is no different. See, now here's where my Pollyanna attitude comes into play. I think the world, heck, the universe will love him just as much as I do once they're exposed to the Adam I fell in love with. And no, I'm not talking about just Idol Adam. I'm talking about Upright Cabaret Adam, Zodiac Adam, Ten Commandments Adam, Idol Adam, Citizen Vein Adam. Yes, you're absolutely correct, there will be groups who won't embrace him (even Michael Jackson had non-fans) but they'll be in the minority once Adam shows his multifaceted sweet self to the universe. Mark these words. When I'm dead and gone you can say burrito told you so. |
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Post by Q3 on Sept 21, 2011 23:00:46 GMT -5
This website HATES CANADIANS!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(  This is blocked in Canada because two Canadian cable networks own the right to Project Runway in Canada -- they are several weeks behind the US> |
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Post by wal on Sept 21, 2011 23:04:01 GMT -5
I don't remember if this was posted already. www.upscalehype.com/2011/09/adam-lambert-in-rick-owens-boots-skingraft-gloves/#.TnnU8GsvoRI.twitterAdam Lambert in Rick Owens Boots & Skingraft Gloves "Singer Adam Lambert was spotted outside the Fig & Olive restaurant in West Hollywood, wearing Rick Owens’ Megacreeper high wedge boot ($2,098) and a pair of Skingraft leather studded fingerless gloves ($125). His all black ensemble included a black covered placket shirt, drop crotch jersey pants, and a peak lapel blazer finished with a leather trimmed detail and zipper cuffs."   |
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Post by tigerlily on Sept 21, 2011 23:09:26 GMT -5
I’ve never voiced an opinion on the AMAs. I watched that night standing in the middle of the room with my hands clutched and was moaning a no.no.no. Not because it wasn’t the Adam I had seen on Idol because you certainly saw ADAM on the idol tour, but because it just looked like a hot mess to me. I still think that it happened the way it did because of the hype that the network did before the show. I remember thinking “he isn’t a freak show you know.” You combine that with the acts before him and maybe we should be discussing why he was so tame!!! I, who know nothing about the music business, think that he gained more than he lost. It must have been the worst time of his life to get to where he was and wonder if he had just lost it all and I think with a lesser man that might have been the case. Yes, it did seem like that. >:( There couldn't have been a comeback without "the fall". (speaking both literally and figuratively) FYE was the perfect set up for WWFM. Adam's mentoring gig on AI and his performance of WWFM on that show was the perfect redemption arc. The media ate it up! People love a comeback story. |
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I've read that meme before, that Adam gained international fame because of the AMA's, but I don't know how true that is. I'd like to believe he'd have gained it with a performance that wowed the US audience at the same time. We'll never know. All I do know is I want him to have as much success in the US as he does internationally and to do that he has to appeal to the masses, which in my dumb Okie opinion is not the east coast, or the west coast, but middle conservative America. I could be wrong though. I mean I've never claimed to be Einstein. 
